The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 742 – Live from London – Samsung Unpacked the FOLD goes passport sized

Two Blokes Talking Tech
Episode 742 — Live from London: Samsung Unpacked, the FOLD goes passport sized
Published: 22 July 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech

[00:00:00] Trevor Long: I’m not here to muck around, you know what I’m saying? Let’s just get it done.

[00:00:02] Stephen Fenech: You’ve got a busy afternoon, have you, mate?

[00:00:04] Trevor Long: No, I got— I’m done. I’ve got nothing. I’ve just got— it’s good. Yeah, me too. Uh, what day is it here? Today’s, uh, Wednesday afternoon.

[00:00:12] Stephen Fenech: Wednesday arvo.

[00:00:13] Trevor Long: Yeah, so we’re in London, folks. We’ll get to that in a minute, but we’re in London and, uh, let’s get some Samsung Wednesday afternoon. Yep. So yeah, no, I’m done.

[00:00:21] Stephen Fenech: I’m just done. We just had the Galaxy Unpacked event.

[00:00:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, don’t blow the whole thing. I’m just saying, while we’re in London.

[00:00:28] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but like, you’re— what time at the, at the, of 9 and 10 o’clock, yeah. Yeah, mine’s at 4:30 AM.

[00:00:37] Trevor Long: That’ll be exciting.

[00:00:38] Stephen Fenech: With Channel 10, you know, the lunchtime news.

[00:00:40] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:00:40] Stephen Fenech: And good old Ange Bishop.

[00:00:42] Trevor Long: Lovely. Yeah.

[00:00:43] Stephen Fenech: So yeah, I’ll set the alarm clock, mate.

[00:00:45] Trevor Long: It’s probably a good idea. You don’t want to sleep through that.

[00:00:47] Stephen Fenech: No, no, I don’t. I’ll go to bed early and wake up and it’ll be sure, she’ll be fine.

[00:00:52] Trevor Long: I’ll go to bed late and sleep in.

[00:00:55] Stephen Fenech: Of course, you could hang around for that, hey? You do two, you’re gonna do two of them.

[00:00:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, I’ll do it.

[00:00:59] Stephen Fenech: And you’re gonna go to some fancy pants place too to get a nice background or what are you gonna do?

[00:01:02] VOICE OVER: It’s the same place I do for Amazon, just so over on the Thames.

[00:01:05] Trevor Long: Okay, beautiful view.

[00:01:06] Stephen Fenech: With what, with the Tower Bridge behind you? Yeah, nice.

[00:01:08] Trevor Long: It’s gorgeous.

[00:01:09] Stephen Fenech: You could actually go to the venue. The venue had a nice view.

[00:01:12] Trevor Long: That’s too far. Ah, yeah, Tower Bridge is quite small. It’s weird, you have this perception. I think people that know, let’s say, Sydney Harbour, if you were on over at Luna Park, you’re like, oh, it’s a good view of the Opera House. Yeah, but actually you pretty much need to be down between Circular Quay and the Opera House. Yeah, to get a real sensor the Opera House in the back of a smartphone. This is true, two blokes talking travel, travel tips, two blokes talking photography and videography tips. Yep. Anyway, Stephen’s just loved being here in London again, haven’t you?

[00:01:41] Stephen Fenech: It’s been great. Yeah, we were here 6 weeks ago.

[00:01:44] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, there’s a bunch of, bunch of people going, have you applied for your ETA to get into the country? Like, I did that 7 weeks ago, what are you talking about?

[00:01:50] Stephen Fenech: There we go.

[00:01:50] Trevor Long: It was only John Davidson from the AFL that nearly got caught out there, didn’t he?

[00:01:54] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think he did his, uh, poor David application in the lounge.

[00:01:56] Trevor Long: Yeah. Got through though, a bit last minute, Larry.

[00:02:01] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, anyway, he’s here now, mate. He’s here now. We’re all here now.

[00:02:05] Trevor Long: We’re all here now. There’s no drama. Anyway, well, I mean, look, how good’s the weather been? It’s been so— it’s warm. It’s got this weird, uh, half mugginess to it. Like, yeah, like it doesn’t— when you look outside, it doesn’t look hot.

[00:02:18] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:02:19] Trevor Long: But when you go outside, it’s not hot, it’s just on the, on the verge of mugginess. Yeah, but in the, in the event today, I had an air conditioning vent right under my feet, so I was just Was that specially arranged for you? Yeah, they said, sit here, sir. Is that right?

[00:02:32] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, because you brush me.

[00:02:33] Trevor Long: There’s some influencer next to me, some, yeah, a couple of female influencers. Yeah, and one of them had this little jet fan thing. She was— and it was so loud, and I’m thinking, if you just put your foot over here, there’s a big vent on the floor. Be unbelievable. Shut up during the event. Front row doing these ones, looking up high, like the front row.

[00:02:50] Stephen Fenech: To my left, it was the stage, but, uh, it was good.

[00:02:53] Trevor Long: Very good. All right, well, um, let’s talk more action and time to do this.

[00:03:00] VOICE OVER: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:03:03] Trevor Long: Not a bad price.

[00:03:03] VOICE OVER: With Trevor Long from eftm.com.

[00:03:06] Stephen Fenech: Really handy device.

[00:03:07] VOICE OVER: And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au.

[00:03:11] Trevor Long: And Stephen’s going to tell me it’s episode 743. Yeah, we should have done that research before. We haven’t even written down our planned rundown. 742. 742.

[00:03:23] VOICE OVER: Episode 742.

[00:03:23] Stephen Fenech: 42 blokes Talking Tech.

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[00:04:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, was that why?

[00:04:07] Trevor Long: I think so. Right, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you think, let’s imagine you plan these events, like we know it’s going to be in July-ish, August. Let’s say you’re in, it doesn’t matter whether you’re in January or May planning it, you’re like, holy crap, the World Cup’s going to be on. And even if you were planning it a year ago, they would have known Of course. When the World Cup was. And even though we arrived after the final, it’s still just chaos at airports. You don’t know about hotel accommodations, all those kinds of things. It’s probably just easy to avoid major events.

[00:04:35] Stephen Fenech: You can imagine, ’cause we normally, when we do come to the US for a Fold event, it’s usually New York.

[00:04:40] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:04:40] Stephen Fenech: So that, and that’s where the World Cup final was. So that would have been a nice, interesting little event there.

[00:04:47] Trevor Long: But you know, London puts it on because it is a beautiful city. I was thinking about when we got to the event and it was at the old Billington, is that what it’s called?

[00:04:53] Stephen Fenech: Old Billingsgate.

[00:04:54] Trevor Long: Billingsgate, um, just a big building on the Thames really. I don’t know what it was anyway, right next to the Tower, um, the Tower of London. Yeah, um, Tower Bridge. No, Tower of London, the, the castle with the moat next to it. Um, the, the thing is when you show the visuals on screen, I was thinking about how impressive it looked. Beautiful drone or helicopter shot down the Thames, you know, the Tower Bridge is a gorgeous thing. There’s a lot of beauty in, in London.

[00:05:20] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely.

[00:05:21] Trevor Long: Not all of London, can we just say, not all of London, but most parts of it.

[00:05:24] Stephen Fenech: Um, it’s funny when we were driving coming in from the airport.

[00:05:27] Trevor Long: Yeah, I realized, because we were super close, like even when we’re in, we crossed the Thames, went through, went through one side, then we came over the Thames again. I’m like, it’s just, there’s just residential areas. Like you think of London like, yeah, as the Mall and the Buckingham Palace and all those things, which is a big area, but outside of that it’s suburbs. Just suburbs.

[00:05:47] Stephen Fenech: You think of central London, like East London, West London is like the big CBD, and then people then, the suburbs emanate out from there, don’t they? And but even in, within those areas there’s apartments and everything.

[00:05:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, I know, but just, but like in, in the city part of London there’s beautiful apartments and some older apartments and everything, but then not far away are just basic townhouses, terraces and stuff. Yeah, anyway, but it is a beautiful place and I think that is a good— yep, that’s, I think that’s something really important with a— if you’re not going to be Apple and just do it at the same place every, every time, and you’re going to put on a show. I think you’ve got a show. We’ve gone—

[00:06:21] Stephen Fenech: well, remember 2 years ago we’re in Paris, and then last year was Brooklyn, and this year London.

[00:06:26] Trevor Long: Yeah, where’s— what’s your bet for next year?

[00:06:27] Stephen Fenech: Next year, I reckon back to the US.

[00:06:29] Trevor Long: You think?

[00:06:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, probably New York again, straight smack bang in the middle of Manhattan, mate. Right, next year.

[00:06:35] Trevor Long: Okay, I hope so. Well, Paris was because of the Olympics. Yeah, if we, if we assume this was because of the distraction of the World Cup, you’re right, just go back.

[00:06:42] Stephen Fenech: I reckon go back to New York.

[00:06:43] Trevor Long: Yeah, so you can basically just stop listening now and go back to last week’s episode and we can tell you what happened here today because we, we pretty much called We called it, yeah. Uh, yeah, the, the leaks, the dummies, everything have, have come to fruition, uh, including the naming convention which had been broadly leaked and rumored. And we talked about it a lot last week. We now have a Z series lineup. So Samsung, as we know, have an A series affordable smartphone range. FEs are in there, but S series is their flagship, um, candy bar smartphone. And then the Z series for 7 years has been their foldable phones, from the standard Fold which opens like a book to the Flip which is a normal candy bar smartphone that flips shut in the middle. So those two phones have been around now for 6 or 7 years, and this year they welcome a third member to that family, as predicted. The passport-sized shaped smartphone—

[00:07:36] Stephen Fenech: passport shape—

[00:07:38] Trevor Long: that is known simply as the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 8. Yeah, so essentially they’ve, they’ve promoted the middle child. They’ve promoted the, the traditional Fold form factor to a new name, which is the Ultra, um, and they’ve kept the Flip. So we now have the Flip 8, the Fold 8, and the Fold 8 Ultra, which is the traditional Fold, um, because it is— it’s got Ultra capabilities, it’s got the best cameras, you know, screen, better cameras.

[00:08:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, same processor though, isn’t it?

[00:08:07] Trevor Long: The same processor and screen, pretty much the same power screen technology, brightness, all those things are there. Titanium screen, camera, camera, uh, is highly, uh, you know, upgraded on the Ultra because it’s got a 200, a 50, and a 12-megapixel, whereas the, the standard Fold 8 just has 250s, uh, ultra-wide and standard wide. Um, but we talked about why, and we played with the dummies weeks, months ago. It was so long ago that we played with these things, and we talked about why it’s better for viewing. But now that we’ve, we’ve held it, we’ve used it, it’s changed my mind. What’s really funny is you, you hold them side by side, even last year’s Fold or this year’s Fold, uh, traditional Fold Ultra, and, and the new Fold, the passport size, And you’ll watch, I put, I did a quick Instagram. I saw you, our podcast, right? And I think it really made the point that it’s such a bigger picture, better for viewing content.

[00:08:58] Stephen Fenech: Well, the re— I think the reason being, like, the how I’ve described it, the, the Fold screen is the same, so the big screen, 8 inches.

[00:09:04] Trevor Long: Yep. But it’s square. Yeah.

[00:09:06] Stephen Fenech: So no matter how you hold it, it’s the same. You’ve got these massive letterbox, and you’ve got no choice of sort of the fact with the Fold, the Fold 8, how it’s got that 4:3. So you hold it as widescreen. I’ve been describing that in all my videos in all my stories. You hold it, it’s got widescreen, and then you tilt it over and it’s like portrait mode, like an e-reader, any tablet as well.

[00:09:28] Trevor Long: And it’s— it doesn’t feel enormous in the hand when you hold it portrait style. So browsing websites, reading Tech Guide, reading EFTM, you can actually grip it.

[00:09:36] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, sideways, you got the wide, you can’t.

[00:09:39] Trevor Long: No, but going deep, grip it portrait style, so upright. Yep. Open up Tech Guide or EFTM and you’re reading, and then there’s more to it. Now I would, I would argue probably the best instance— I’ve never used reader mode on browsers, but I think on this device I would flick into reader mode in your browser to really get the most from your content. Because one of the other big gripes I had with the original Fold was you open up Instagram on the front crappy little tiny screen, but, but you still, you could see like 2, 1.5 posts or 2 posts. You open up the inside, you get half a post. At best you might see a whole photo. Yeah.

[00:10:14] Stephen Fenech: Now I think the Fold 8’s gonna—

[00:10:16] Trevor Long: on the new Fold 8, passport size. I’m going to keep saying passport size so people really understand which one we’re talking about.

[00:10:21] VOICE OVER: Yeah.

[00:10:21] Trevor Long: Um, when you turn it sideways, you do portrait. No, it’s not 6 posts you see, but it is the full post and then, uh, yeah, clear hint of the next one.

[00:10:29] VOICE OVER: Yeah.

[00:10:29] Stephen Fenech: You know what I’ve noticed too is the— you remember how much I love the tri-fold, right? So when the tri-fold was around, we saw it at CES.

[00:10:39] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:10:39] Stephen Fenech: Remember when you opened it up it had the same shape as the Fold 8.

[00:10:43] Trevor Long: That’s right.

[00:10:44] Stephen Fenech: So wide, and then you can fold it deep. So that’s what I’m imagining, how that probably got the inspiration for that, keeping that aspect ratio from the tri-fold.

[00:10:55] Trevor Long: And look, I think I’ve already seen comments on some posts, oh, they’re just copying Huawei or Honor, whoever it is that did that passport size format. Okay, yeah, right, that’s been done. Yeah, but I would argue, and I had this conversation with people within the Samsung business, because obviously Samsung’s aware that the conversation around this device is going to lead to the Apple rumors of September.

[00:11:20] Stephen Fenech: Well, I call that the elephant in the room, is the, uh, the Apple and the iPhone Fold.

[00:11:25] Trevor Long: And I get that Samsung have released it first in Australia, but if we were to properly trace back the, the Passport format file size, it goes back a year and a half, 2 years, to leaked specifications indications of the Apple device.

[00:11:41] Stephen Fenech: Okay, you know, somewhere you say that Apple came up with it.

[00:11:44] Trevor Long: I’m saying Apple came up with it. It was out there first, but they, but they were years away from releasing it. And that’s why Huawei or Honor jumped on it. And Samsung, probably they might have had iterations of this in their workshops. Yeah, but you can’t tell.

[00:11:57] Stephen Fenech: Can’t say it’s a coincidence.

[00:11:58] Trevor Long: You can’t tell me it’s a coincidence.

[00:11:59] Stephen Fenech: It’s not a coincidence.

[00:12:00] Trevor Long: And I think, good on them.

[00:12:01] Stephen Fenech: Think about what else they did. They did a similar thing, do you remember, last year with the Edge. Yeah, remember the S25 Edge? Yeah, they knew that Apple was coming up with—

[00:12:08] Trevor Long: and they knew how to make thin phones because they were working on the Fold 7.

[00:12:11] Stephen Fenech: This came out in June, Apple’s coming out.

[00:12:14] Trevor Long: I think it’s— I have a huge respect for Samsung for being able to turn around such a high-quality device, nimble. Yeah, yeah, in what, what you can only assume is a shorter time frame than, than would normally be given to a development of a product. And I don’t think it’s a slight on them, even if you do acknowledge that Apple might have had the design first, even though it wasn’t public. Yeah, but that said We held the dummy, we held your 3D print, we’ve held these in our hand, and I think we understood it was pocketable. So it’s a word Samsung uses, it fits good in the pocket. What’s the word for— I don’t want to use handable, but you know, it feels— yeah, doesn’t feel uncomfortable in the hand.

[00:12:53] Stephen Fenech: I was saying in my stuff, on my videos, to say that it’s not— people who, like customers who looked at the other Folds, the previous, like the Fold, the big Fold, which is a lot of— I’ve said it’s a lot of phone. Yeah, whereas this is— I describe it as more approachable. I’ve said in my videos where it doesn’t look like it’s too big and big and bad. It looks like it fits easily in your hand, gives you that enough room. So I think the size, the width of it is, I think, just about the same width as a normal— as they say, the S26 Ultra. Yeah, it’s slightly, maybe slightly wider than the ultra wide.

[00:13:26] Trevor Long: It’s a wide phone, there’s no question.

[00:13:28] Stephen Fenech: But then it’s shorter, so I think the The idea of the shape of it, not only— well, you’ve got to remember that their end goal was to be able to open up a device, so your front screen had to be of a shape that when you open it up, that it was the size you wanted inside, right? So with this, I’ve realized that that was probably goal number A, tick. Goal number 2 was to have a front screen that was still manageable. Like, my complaint of always—

[00:13:55] Trevor Long: 100%—

[00:13:56] Stephen Fenech: can’t type on the front screen.

[00:13:58] Trevor Long: So they still manage the front, but without, without it being like the front of a Flip, right? Because of course, if you have a, if you have a really, really small front screen in terms of the height of the front screen, you have half or more than half the screen as a keyboard.

[00:14:11] Stephen Fenech: What’s that, 5.5 inches?

[00:14:12] Trevor Long: But if you think about messaging, just text messaging or WhatsApp, easy, or writing an email, you— yes, it takes up a large percentage of the screen. Yeah, but there’s an easy type, far and away enough of what you’re normally looking for. I agree, on the screen.

[00:14:26] Stephen Fenech: But the other benefit, I think, and they, they had a slide like they were showing how it’s easier to hold it as a camera as well. Yeah, like, you know, you think about, you know, but, you know, having, having a longer phone, uh, yeah, obviously we’re used to it over the years, and, you know, Apple’s even put a camera button in it as well. This, this appears to me like a more manageable size to be a camera. Yeah, it’s not, it’s not too, not too big, like, for taking selfies too. It’d be very easy to hit the button.

[00:14:55] Trevor Long: Really fascinated by how much I’ll use the side screen, because that was a thing, yeah, the Fold forever for me was I just wasn’t opening it enough to justify using it.

[00:15:04] Stephen Fenech: Well, they use—

[00:15:05] Trevor Long: so for me it’s like, okay, because I do, I, I watch a little bit of YouTube, I watch a lot of social media, so I’m wondering how often I will choose to open the phone either sideways or upright and consume content.

[00:15:20] Stephen Fenech: But well, then the good thing about it is you’ve got, you can choose what, how you want to do it. Like, if you’re watching YouTube, you’re not going to watch it upright, you’re going to watch it wide.

[00:15:27] Trevor Long: No, of course.

[00:15:28] Stephen Fenech: So it’s, it’s, it’s great how they’ve been able to do that. And as I said, the Fold 8 had— the Fold 8 Ultra, having a square display, they were kind of locked into that. They couldn’t change that. Yeah, even though probably the Fold 8, Fold 8 Ultra user is probably someone who’s a bit more high-end user. That center screen is sort of more for multitasking rather than watching YouTube a lot.

[00:15:50] Trevor Long: And I think that that’s what I learned from listening to Nathan Rieger from Samsung talk about this phone, you know. The, the Fold 8 Ultra is designed for your productive, uh, workplace multitasking, high-end former Fold, now Ultra user, right?

[00:16:11] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely.

[00:16:12] Trevor Long: And let’s just, let’s just talk about some stats for a minute. Yep. And, and this will— this just talks about the category, but we are going to talk about the Fold 7 here. But since the first Fold in 2019, Samsung has seen huge growth in Australia. Fold 7 sales grew 20— 48% compared to the Fold 6. The active Fold user base has tripled since 2021. 62% of Fold 7 buyers are new to Foldables. Yeah, 21% of Fold 7 buyers were new to Samsung. 17%, I can tell you, were from iOS.

[00:16:46] Stephen Fenech: Boom.

[00:16:47] Trevor Long: Uh, and 27% upgraded from an S Series Ultra.

[00:16:51] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:16:51] Trevor Long: So they’re clearly pushing their premium users into what was the Fold and is now the Fold Ultra. And I think this device, the now Fold 8, the passport-sized phone, I think will bring more standard S series users and more Flip users. Flip users. I think it’s sort of more—

[00:17:08] Stephen Fenech: it’s got— I think it’s got more in common with the Flip than the Ultra.

[00:17:10] Trevor Long: Flip is going to struggle.

[00:17:11] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, it’s got its quirks. So I think it’s for the— for that person who’s, you know, wants to snap the selfies and photos and be trendy. Yeah, that’s going to be popular. But But when to describe the devices, remember that we were at that foldables, the roundtable yesterday? Yep. And I like how—

[00:17:29] Trevor Long: What were you playing on your computer when it played music?

[00:17:31] Stephen Fenech: That was on my phone. It was a post. I had the volume up on my phone.

[00:17:36] Trevor Long: You were distracted. Anyway, someone’s phone— You turned your head around. Yeah, someone, well, everyone did. Someone near us that like, I don’t know if it was their ringtone or an Instagram reel, but it was going off.

[00:17:48] Stephen Fenech: I’ll tell you what it was.

[00:17:49] Trevor Long: And then they silence it and then it went off again. I’m like, just turn the phone off.

[00:17:53] Stephen Fenech: I’ll tell you what it was. It was, uh, BMW tagged me in a post and I’m thinking, oh, and that’s the one that blared the song. But anyhow, um, I liked how when they were talking about the 3 devices, yeah, they had little, a little saying next to each one, right? Eightfold Ultra, power maxing. Eightfold Joy maxing. And Flip 8 Vibe Maxing. That was there, that’s there.

[00:18:23] Trevor Long: Stop it.

[00:18:23] Stephen Fenech: What other maxing can we do?

[00:18:24] Trevor Long: Just, just don’t.

[00:18:27] Stephen Fenech: But I think that, as they were saying, in the, uh, obviously the, the Ultra still got the leading technology, the flexed titanium, thinner as well. They can barely fit the USB-C port in it.

[00:18:39] Trevor Long: Yeah, you’ll notice the USB-C port has a little extra lip on the top of it because it kind of needs to for structure.

[00:18:44] Stephen Fenech: Silicon carbon battery, so more battery capacity. Yeah, it’s really 4,400 last year.

[00:18:48] Trevor Long: So last year’s Fold 7 had 4,400 milliamp-hour battery. The Fold 8 Passport phone has 4,600. The Fold 8 Ultra has 5,000 milliamp-hours.

[00:18:58] Stephen Fenech: So they’ve improved that because of the silicon carbide. I think it’s more capacity, less space.

[00:19:03] Trevor Long: They spend a lot of time talking about batteries and I don’t understand.

[00:19:05] Stephen Fenech: Well, they, they were talking about the— because it’s got fast charging, they were talking about how it sort of keeps everything cool to sort of the safety.

[00:19:11] Trevor Long: They’ve worked on the thermal cooling as well.

[00:19:13] Stephen Fenech: So that’s that. And we’ve talked about the Flex Titanium as well. But I think it’s going to be— look, I think we need to talk about how this is going to land with customers when Apple releases theirs. Like the elephant in the room, as I said, is what does Apple do now? Because a couple of things. Hang on, let me just say a couple of things. Number one, they’ve locked— they’ve really snookered them in the name Ultra. They’ve already used Ultra. And the word is that it’s going to be called iPhone Ultra. Potentially too late to change. They’re probably in full production right now, packaging everything, right? Yeah. The other thing they’re going to get them on, and we should talk about this, is price. Now the price of these have gone up by about $150.

[00:19:56] Trevor Long: $150 for the Flip, about $100 for the, yeah, for the others. So it’s $2,999 for the premium Fold 8 Ultra and $2,699 for the, uh, Fold 8. Which is $100 from that.

[00:20:12] Stephen Fenech: That’s the starting price. So now let’s, let’s look at like for like. So the Apple foldable is more likely to be like the Fold 8, correct?

[00:20:21] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:20:21] Stephen Fenech: And so that is $2,699. Yeah, I reckon Apple, they’re, if they’re seeing Samsung’s prices and probably going, holy hell, we were keen on going $2,999. You think? No, no, I’m thinking that, mate. I honestly reckon the Fold, the phone iPhone, is going to be $3,999. It’s going to be expensive.

[00:20:42] Trevor Long: And 3 triple 9s, I’m telling you.

[00:20:45] Stephen Fenech: I reckon, mate, they’ve already prepared us for higher prices.

[00:20:49] Trevor Long: Yes, but higher prices is $150.

[00:20:51] Stephen Fenech: Well, well, this is a brand new model, mate. There’s no precedent here. I reckon, but at best, if it’s under $3,499, I’ll be very surprised. That’s my call. That, that’s going to be nearly $1,000 more than the Samsung version. So that— how are they going to handle that?

[00:21:09] Trevor Long: Like, you think about that, is unjustifiable unless— well, no, unless it’s new, mate. No, the only way Apple justifies that is because they engineer a hinge that is remarkable in some way and the screen is legit.

[00:21:24] Stephen Fenech: It’ll be dead set creaseless.

[00:21:26] Trevor Long: Now if they can do that, yeah, they can push.

[00:21:28] Stephen Fenech: I reckon that’s the reason we’re seeing a foldable from this, because they’ve got it, they’ve done it. Yeah, they were waiting for this moment.

[00:21:34] Trevor Long: And isn’t that interesting too? Let’s talk about the crease for a second and we’ll come back to Apple. Yeah, I mean, I was pretty, pretty good. It’s good, but it’s not even class-leading. I think Oppo’s is better.

[00:21:42] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Oppo’s was really flat, although in the right light, the old— they had a thing section downstairs, did you see? They had the light on it and it was— that was really good. That was— you couldn’t see the crease at all. I don’t know, it was a trick of the light or whatever, but I couldn’t see the crease.

[00:21:57] Trevor Long: Oh, really? Remember Oppo didn’t say you couldn’t see it. They said you couldn’t feel it.

[00:22:01] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it was a zero, zero feel.

[00:22:03] Trevor Long: And I think that’s the more important thing.

[00:22:05] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, not that it was a massive problem in the past.

[00:22:07] Trevor Long: No, but it is, it’s, it is a massive problem because it’s a— so I’ll tell you why it’s a massive problem. It’s the same as the iPhone Air. The iPhone Air, I’m still using, it’s a great device, but it got absolutely canned early on because people were worried about battery life because a bunch of people like us reviewing it, set it up, said it had bad battery life because they spent 4 days with it, 2 days of which it’s still downloading from the cloud and chewing through your battery. They didn’t actually use it properly, right? I think that the Fold, immediately people go, I can see the crease, and they think about the first time they saw a Fold on a video and they go, you can see a crease.

[00:22:42] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:22:43] Trevor Long: And so it has a stigma to it.

[00:22:45] Stephen Fenech: And so, yeah, well, that’s another reason why it’s going to be expensive, because this is going to be absolutely tip-top hardware and done like Apple do it, and it’s going to be beautiful. The software is going to be immaculate. Everything working together. And I reckon that’s why they’re pulling the trigger this year, because they’ve— I think, you know, I’ve written rumor stories for a year that they’ve found the display company that’s going to help them with the totally flat screen. So you just imagine that, how premium it’s going to be despite it not being their Pro model. It’s still going to have the two cameras like the Fold 8, so it’s going to be in that category, mate. I— if it’s cheaper than $3,499 I’ll be happy to say I’m wrong. I, I, I’m anticipating a really high price.

[00:23:28] Trevor Long: If I was to predict, I’d say $2,999, but I’ll take unders on $3,499. Yeah, because I’ll take unders, you take overs.

[00:23:34] Stephen Fenech: You think about it, right? The, the 18 Pro Max, which say the 17 Pro Max was already like $2,500, you spec that up, it’s $3K. Now add, I reckon, add $200 to that price for the 18 Pro Max. So let’s call it. So what was it, $2,699? Make that $2,899. So the Pro Max will be $2,899 from $2,899, I reckon. And so the Fold, the— can the Fold be around that price or not? Can it be, or is it going to be this with a two-camera system?

[00:24:05] Trevor Long: It’s a very dangerous thing to— how did—

[00:24:07] Stephen Fenech: how does this sit, the, the, the Air? How did that sit? That sort of sit in there?

[00:24:11] Trevor Long: It’s a Plus model range, but it wasn’t—

[00:24:14] Stephen Fenech: it was sort of closer in price to the Pro Max, the Pros, than it was the 17, wasn’t it? Maybe, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Look, if they can get—

[00:24:23] Trevor Long: if they—

[00:24:24] Stephen Fenech: if it’s under $3K, I’d say they won’t be able to make them fast enough. If it’s under $3K, it’s under $3K. If it’s— but I just suspect that Apple— and they’ve prepared us already for the price rise, they’ve prepared us. And yeah, I just— if it’s— yeah, I just got a feeling it’s going to be really pricey.

[00:24:42] Trevor Long: I— getting back to Samsung, because they’ll just love that we spend 10 minutes talking about Apple. Um, the industry— shout out to the team. Well, they created the industry.

[00:24:50] Stephen Fenech: This is their 8 years of doing a foldable.

[00:24:54] Trevor Long: What I, I have said openly to the team at Samsung, you’ve got to acknowledge that unfortunately that is the conversation of the day, and you and I will be asked this question on the radio and on TV.

[00:25:06] Stephen Fenech: They’re going to say, and Apple’s—

[00:25:07] Trevor Long: but you know, conversely, yeah, in September, this is what I said to them, in September you’re going to benefit because people like me and you are going to be on TV and radio and everywhere saying Apple’s joined a race that Samsung started 7 years ago and started a decade ago, really. Well, yeah, yeah, but released, um, and that, that’s, that’s where the— they get the benefit.

[00:25:28] Stephen Fenech: But you think about it, and I said the same thing, like, Apple releasing a foldable is going to help Samsung. Of course it’s going to— rising tide lifts all boats. We’ve said that before. But get this, I reckon once Apple released theirs, which is going to look like the Fold 8, all these Android users who would never buy an iPhone will go go, I really like that, I want one. Oh, hang on, Samsung got one. So they’ll go, thank you, I want to buy the Samsung.

[00:25:51] Trevor Long: No, I think so. Those stats that we got from Nathan about the success of the Fold 7 last year, I think I, and I believe, and I think you agree, the Fold 8 will outsell the Fold 8 Ultra.

[00:26:04] Stephen Fenech: I, I think that’s going to be the leader. Yeah, definitely. So I think that’s popular.

[00:26:07] Trevor Long: So I think, I think we agree that the Fold 8 will be the top seller for Samsung.

[00:26:11] Stephen Fenech: It’ll be the hero.

[00:26:12] Trevor Long: I think they will have some staggeringly good numbers. And here’s what I think. I think they’ll share some in August.

[00:26:18] Stephen Fenech: Mad if they don’t.

[00:26:19] Trevor Long: I think in August, before, before, on the 14th, once it launches and they’ve got— they’ll, I reckon they’ll share pre-order success numbers versus last year. And that’ll be an indicator.

[00:26:29] Stephen Fenech: Here’s my prediction. I reckon, you know, that stat you said, 62% first-time foldables. Yeah, it’ll be 85% first-time foldables for that. Yeah, it’ll be really high. Yeah, because, because it’s— and that’s what else I describe it as, it’s a perfect on-ramp for a foldable. Perfect one to start with.

[00:26:46] Trevor Long: I want to shout out the Samsung engineering team, who I genuinely believe do not read all the reviews but take on board the feedback that comes from reviews. Because, yep, one— and it was, it was kind of funny when I think it was Eric and Nathan said to me, uh, you were very harsh about this last year and we listened, as a joke, kind of saying we did this because of you. But it was how hard that thing was to open.

[00:27:10] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, no, I said the same thing.

[00:27:11] Trevor Long: Yeah, you know, yeah, I was quite adamant about how hard the Fold 7 was to open, and mate 8, both the Ultra Fold 8 and the standard Fold 8 are much easier to open. There’s just this mechanism.

[00:27:23] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, in less than a year. That’s amazing.

[00:27:25] Trevor Long: Yeah. And I think that is a very—

[00:27:27] Stephen Fenech: yeah, right, very good, because it was—

[00:27:29] Trevor Long: Apple would never do that.

[00:27:30] Stephen Fenech: No, it was a victim of its own, uh, thinness.

[00:27:33] Trevor Long: Thinness.

[00:27:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:27:34] Trevor Long: You couldn’t get a grip.

[00:27:35] Stephen Fenech: You couldn’t get a grip. We were talking about it. You couldn’t grip it properly to open the thing.

[00:27:38] Trevor Long: It’s too thin. And I think that’s— I think that is a massive credit to the company that they essentially— well, they listen to their customers.

[00:27:45] Stephen Fenech: Well, they listen to customers.

[00:27:46] Trevor Long: Absolutely right.

[00:27:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, they, they said that in in this, in that, in their presso for the, in that roundtable that they’re the pillars of it all. And like customer feedback was like number like right up top of how, you know, they’re your best engineers, hey, the customers at the end of the day, they’re the ones using your product in the field. So yeah, absolutely, they’re good, they’ve listened.

[00:28:04] Trevor Long: And by the way, the Fold 8 Ultra is thinner than the Fold 7.

[00:28:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know, yeah, like somehow, by bugger all, but it’s thinner. Well, is that amazing? To illustrate that, that you can see— look, do it. I’ll take— I don’t know if you’ve shot it, but take a close-up of the USB.

[00:28:20] Trevor Long: You can see they’ve had to add a little—

[00:28:21] Stephen Fenech: it’s got a little, like, there’s barely anything above it.

[00:28:24] Trevor Long: There’s like a little lip they’ve had to add to the top of it that isn’t on the rest of the edge. Yeah, because otherwise it wouldn’t have the support to—

[00:28:30] Stephen Fenech: wouldn’t click in, hold the, the cable. Maybe if it gets— what would they do to make it wireless charging only? It’d be fast wireless charging.

[00:28:37] Trevor Long: I mean, they get rid of the—

[00:28:38] Stephen Fenech: you get rid of it.

[00:28:39] Trevor Long: We talked about that. Ahead of Apple’s USB-C switch. We were like, you know, the ultimate power move from Apple would be to go, fuck you, European Union, we’re not going USB-C, we’re going wireless.

[00:28:51] Stephen Fenech: Just on that, weren’t they supposed to be devices that had easy access to the battery?

[00:28:57] Trevor Long: Yeah, by early next year. Is that still a thing? Yeah.

[00:28:59] Stephen Fenech: Okay, by next year.

[00:29:00] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:29:00] Stephen Fenech: Oh, okay, so 2027 models.

[00:29:03] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:29:04] Stephen Fenech: So how’s the iPhone 18 going to fit in that then? That’s considering that the— and the S27 Man, I don’t know.

[00:29:11] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:29:11] Stephen Fenech: So is that it? Is that right? They’re going to have to have easy access to the battery without, without tools? It’s going to get the battery out without a tool?

[00:29:17] Trevor Long: No, I don’t think it says without a tool. It’s just easy repairability. No, it’s not like the old days where you peel the plastic back off, flip off the back.

[00:29:24] Stephen Fenech: No, because if you do that, it’s— if you ruin the water resistance of it too.

[00:29:29] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:29:30] Stephen Fenech: Wow. Well, there’s some really interesting design choices that have to be made too, especially for the whole foldable, man.

[00:29:35] Trevor Long: I, I— if Apple, I’m like, you know what, what’s our market share there? Let’s just keep, let’s just keep selling 17s there.

[00:29:42] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right.

[00:29:43] Trevor Long: Yeah, sorry Europe, you’re not getting it. Remember they announced, uh, Apple, because Apple intelligence, Siri with AI, isn’t coming to Europe either because there’s some regulatory issue here as well. Yeah, so they’re just going, you know what, we’re not going to fight that fight if you’re not going to listen to us and have a reasoned conversation. Yeah, which is all Apple wants. They just want a fair enough, a reasonable conversation about it.

[00:30:05] Stephen Fenech: They play chicken with them, hey, they wait who blinks first. Yeah, I think I think the—

[00:30:08] Trevor Long: yeah, anyway, so the horse is bolted on that one, but that’s, that is a conversation for another day. But so the interesting thing about this, this range though is the Flip 8 is thinner than the previous generation, but it’s not anywhere near as thin as these devices have gotten.

[00:30:23] Stephen Fenech: I don’t think it could be, could it? Like, because it’s, it sort of folds onto itself. Yeah.

[00:30:26] Trevor Long: And the challenge there is if you make it— so let’s say you take the S25 Edge.

[00:30:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:30:30] Trevor Long: And you make that, put a hinge in it, right? I think you’re going to compromise a large amount of battery space.

[00:30:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:30:35] Trevor Long: Because the thing about this battery is it’s, it’s on both sides. It’s under the screen and under the back.

[00:30:40] Stephen Fenech: But I think in the Flip’s case, the, the hinge and the, the way people use it being too thin, I think it might, it might be they might damage it. You know, you can hold it like a video camera and you can put it up as a—

[00:30:52] Trevor Long: it’s just staggering fat compared to the— yeah, what we have now, that’s all. Yeah, but what the number one thing they’ve improved on the Flip is that front flex screen is now essentially an open Android screen. It used to be that you had to download a Samsung third-party, kind of a Samsung extra app, uh, called Good Lock or something like that, which allowed you to run like Spotify on the home screen and stuff.

[00:31:15] Stephen Fenech: You can use that front screen like you would.

[00:31:16] Trevor Long: They’ve now gone, you know what, it’s cool, you can just— so I was like browsing a website, you know, it’s like, it’s insane to do that, but yeah, they’ve made it more usable. Yeah, uh, and, and apart from that, it’s just a, you know, upgraded phone. Yeah. You know, it’s kind of the lost, lost sibling in this little launch.

[00:31:33] Stephen Fenech: But there’s still a lot. But the thing about it is, and it’s interesting, that it’s a totally different customer to the Ultra and to the other Fold. Yeah, it’s a completely different user.

[00:31:42] Trevor Long: But I do think, I think the stat that I’d be interested in from their Smart Switch— by the way, all those stats that we talk about there, it’s, it’s based on the Smart Switch app. So they log when someone uses the Smart Switch app like you are now. Yeah, they’ll log that you’ve gone from an S Ultra Yeah, to, uh, a Fold.

[00:31:58] Stephen Fenech: They must be thinking, he’s gone from this Ultra, he’s gone to this. Yeah, yeah, like, what’s he doing?

[00:32:02] Trevor Long: Yeah, exactly. Um, so I think they’re— I think, as we said earlier, I think there’ll be a pretty decent chunk of people who go from a Flip to the Fold 8.

[00:32:12] Stephen Fenech: But I don’t know if you’re iPhone users, obviously wait for Apple’s, right? So I, I doubt there’ll be a lot of—

[00:32:19] Trevor Long: at the moment, 17% of Fold 7 buyers were iPhone. So yeah, that’s a lot of people.

[00:32:25] Stephen Fenech: There wasn’t a foldable iPhone available, but that’s the point.

[00:32:26] Trevor Long: That, that’s a It’s a big number, of course, to convert.

[00:32:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I remember Nathan saying that. He’s a big— because, because they never had a similar product, they were wanting to get into that whole new category.

[00:32:37] Trevor Long: So I’m— I think we both agree Samsung and Apple are not going to win each other’s customers over, but what they will— they might in increments, but Samsung has the best opportunity because Apple basically pays for a million billion dollars worth of marketing of foldables and it’s actually your Motorola, your Oppo, your, uh, Honor, you’re all these other companies that are like Google, that are like, oh, is ours as good as theirs? I’m a Google Pixel 9 user. Yeah, wait, look at that Samsung Fold 8.

[00:33:08] Stephen Fenech: Well, the Pixel Fold was sort of, I think it was like in between the Ultra and the Fold.

[00:33:13] Trevor Long: Yeah, it was a bit, it was just a bit wider, slightly shorter, wider.

[00:33:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so, but now this is, this is way wider. Um, good, good. What, what was the term we were talking about? Hand Good feels.

[00:33:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, we’ve got to find a word for that. It’s not handability, it’s not pocketability.

[00:33:30] Stephen Fenech: It’s good, it’s very handy.

[00:33:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, but you’ve got ginormous hands.

[00:33:33] Stephen Fenech: I don’t—

[00:33:34] Trevor Long: those are ridiculous. Too big. I don’t know what, mate, your hands are just insane.

[00:33:38] Stephen Fenech: They’re not that big at all, mate. Yeah, we’ll put you in your hand.

[00:33:41] Trevor Long: Give me the mic, Dave.

[00:33:42] Stephen Fenech: Give me your little girly hands.

[00:33:44] Trevor Long: Okay, uh, looks like the Ultra in your hands. It’s the strange height that puts me off, but, um, Look, I think it’s a really fascinating device. I think here’s the thing, I think the, the overwhelming thing I would say is this is not a gimmick.

[00:33:59] Stephen Fenech: No, this is— category’s here to stay.

[00:34:01] Trevor Long: This is a genuine contender.

[00:34:03] Stephen Fenech: Also, prepare yourself, there’ll be— you reckon Huawei’s already done a shape?

[00:34:06] Trevor Long: They’ve done one overseas.

[00:34:07] Stephen Fenech: There’ll be other companies going to ride in on this wave as well. Yeah, it’s the new shape of smartphones.

[00:34:14] Trevor Long: But also foldables generally are going to have their moment here. Like Motorola came out with the Fold just recently for the first time in Australia, and it took took, you know, 8, 9, 8 months or so because that was announced in January. So yeah, but it’s interesting, you know, I know for a fact they rushed that here. Oh, because they wanted to be ahead of Apple and they wanted to, they wanted to have it in market. They wanted to have it in market. Yeah, so that at the very least they were a consideration, they’re an option.

[00:34:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s true.

[00:34:38] Trevor Long: And that’s the thing, let’s look at it now. Oppo, Motorola, Samsung, Honor, Google. Yep, and likely a big fruity company later in the year. That’s 6 brands in foldables, big brands too. Yeah, 2 biggest brands. It’s a lot of choice, literally changing the shape of the phone. Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:59] Stephen Fenech: And size-wise, I’m going to put this next to the dummy. It’s about the same size as the, the iPhone dummy, this one.

[00:35:05] Trevor Long: Well, yeah, I mean, it’s pretty similar. Yeah, we’ve had the physical Samsung and Apple.

[00:35:10] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, the W are the ones here, the case dummies.

[00:35:13] Trevor Long: They’re legit. Yeah, very, very nice. I think it’s often hard for us because those first impressions matter. This, this has a strong first impression, and I think people will, yeah, will be drawn to that in store. I agree, that first impression is going to be really, really good because I think even with just gripability— is that gripability?

[00:35:34] Stephen Fenech: Gripability, yes. There you go, mate.

[00:35:36] Trevor Long: Claspability? No, it doesn’t sound right either.

[00:35:39] Stephen Fenech: Gripability. Let’s go with grip.

[00:35:42] Trevor Long: Okay, it’s official, we’re going with gripability. Um, so $1,949 for the Flip, $2,699 for the Fold, $2,999 for the Fold 8 Ultra.

[00:35:52] Stephen Fenech: Um, and some big, uh, the— I haven’t, I haven’t checked my email, but, uh, the telcos would have been putting out some solid offers, I reckon.

[00:35:59] Trevor Long: Well, yeah, they were in the, um, they were in the Samsung release. Basically, one of the big things about it is the, um— oh, now I’m not connected to the internet. So there’s a lot of like refund offers. So if you, if you buy from, say, Vodafone on a payment plan. They don’t say contract, they call it a payment plan. You get like $700 to $750 off the device.

[00:36:20] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, like, because you think about it, this is an opportunity for— well, two opportunities. One, to gain new customers.

[00:36:27] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:36:27] Stephen Fenech: And obviously to not to lose customers. So all the telcos are competing really hard because if, say, you’re an Optus customer, you see, oh, Telstra’s got an amazing special, then I’m going to Telstra.

[00:36:36] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:36:37] Stephen Fenech: So you’ve got to join Telstra.

[00:36:38] Trevor Long: So they’re all really going hard. Telstra have sharpened the pencils most. Uh, let’s just talk Fold 8, not Ultra. Pre-order a Fold 8 from Telstra, $700 saving if you purchase on a purchase plan, plus you receive a $300 bonus trading credit on an eligible device.

[00:36:53] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:36:53] Trevor Long: Um, Optus don’t have the trading credit, but they have $750 on a purchase plan, so you basically save— so it becomes a $1,900 phone on a payment plan. Vodafone have a $700 off saving on a purchase plan and a $300 trading credit credit. Wow. And in the open channel, so retailers, uh, you’ll basically get a $300 gift card.

[00:37:15] Stephen Fenech: That’s, that’s competitive, isn’t it? So, uh, yeah, expect a lot of noise around that one. So what is it, 14th of August it’s out?

[00:37:22] Trevor Long: Yeah, 14th of August.

[00:37:23] Stephen Fenech: Pre-order started down—

[00:37:24] Trevor Long: pre-orders are out now. And if you, uh, if you’re feeling flush, Galaxy Z Fold 8 Ultra with 16GB of memory and a 1TB hard drive, $3,899. Wow.

[00:37:38] Stephen Fenech: And might still be cheaper than the Apple Fold 1.

[00:37:41] Trevor Long: It’s insane. I don’t mind the calls, by the way.

[00:37:45] Stephen Fenech: I’m happy to be proved wrong.

[00:37:47] Trevor Long: So you’re overs on $3,500, I’m unders on $3,500. That’s what you said earlier.

[00:37:52] VOICE OVER: Yep.

[00:37:52] Trevor Long: Write that down, sir.

[00:37:53] Stephen Fenech: It’ll be, yeah, I think it’ll be very interesting what the accounting, the finance department at Apple is talking about right now after seeing the prices that have happened. And the $2,299 for the Ultra, Nathan said to me in the Tech Guide interview that you think back 2019, that was the launch price.

[00:38:11] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:38:11] Stephen Fenech: So here we are 8 generations later, same price.

[00:38:14] Trevor Long: Inflation has worked in their favor. There’s been none.

[00:38:18] Stephen Fenech: Reverse inflation.

[00:38:19] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:38:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. It’s thinner, lighter, and the same price.

[00:38:22] Trevor Long: And the same price.

[00:38:23] Stephen Fenech: So you get less for the same price.

[00:38:26] Trevor Long: You actually get a lot more.

[00:38:27] Stephen Fenech: Let’s be honest.

[00:38:28] Trevor Long: Yeah, you know what I mean? Especially on that front screen.

[00:38:30] Stephen Fenech: That’s right.

[00:38:30] Trevor Long: Two blokes talking tech here live in London.

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[00:39:44] Trevor Long: All right, well, the, the poor cousin of the event was the Samsung Galaxy Watch 9 and the Watch Ultra 2. Now let’s just talk Watch Ultra 2 because we are both using it and we’ll publish reviews very soon. Um, this thing, so I was critical again, a critical of— I feel like I’ve— I feel like it’s awkward whenever I go to a product briefing, uh, because they throw back at me what I said a year ago and I’ve forgotten what I said. So Kylie, the lovely Kylie from Samsung who looks after that. What did you say? No, she said, she said, remember last year you felt it was uncomfortable and it didn’t really feel good on your wrist? How’s this feel? And I went, it feels way better. So there’s something about—

[00:40:23] Stephen Fenech: they’ve got a Trevor Long, uh, handle complaints department.

[00:40:26] Trevor Long: Correct. Um, there was something about the size or the band. I think it was the band, but it’s also— it was chunky watch, which is fine, it’s the Ultra, but I always felt it just— I felt it on my wrist differently, right?

[00:40:38] Stephen Fenech: Well, yeah.

[00:40:38] Trevor Long: And this is already remarkably better. It’s lighter and thinner, but it’s still a big watch. And look, I’m looking at this, and my review is not done as an Ultra user, okay? I’m not going hiking, not going diving, I’m not doing any of those things. I’m just simply a watch guy who likes a big watch. I prefer the bigger watch to the smaller one, and I’m doing very well, so I’m going to buy the $1,299 one, right? That’s the market I’m looking at. Mate, very comfortable. I think the band, there’s something about that band, right?

[00:41:08] Stephen Fenech: That the new band—

[00:41:09] Trevor Long: I, I don’t know if there’s just more holes or it’s more flexible. I think it’s wider too, but it feels like, you know, when you, when you get a watch band and you get to the holes, you think, that’s going to be me.

[00:41:18] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:41:18] Trevor Long: And then you feel it and you’re like, oh, that’s, that’s good. Go one more and it’s too tight.

[00:41:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:41:22] Trevor Long: On this one, I feel like I can go one more and it’s, it’s actually snug. So I feel like there’s a little bit of extra stretch in it.

[00:41:28] Stephen Fenech: More band choice.

[00:41:29] Trevor Long: I think there’s more stretch in there, in the material.

[00:41:31] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think so.

[00:41:32] Trevor Long: And I think that’s what’s making it comfortable.

[00:41:33] Stephen Fenech: Comfortable. Yeah, well, remember the— I think this— it’s been 2 years since they’ve updated.

[00:41:36] Trevor Long: That’s right.

[00:41:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so the— remember the previous band that was very much like Apple’s one? Yeah, it was sort of the diver band or whatever it was called. It was really thick.

[00:41:43] Trevor Long: I just think that was what was making it uncomfortable. It also meant that it kind of— the band didn’t contour to your wrist up to the watch. It kind of stuck out, whereas it does on this one.

[00:41:53] Stephen Fenech: This one does. It’s really nice.

[00:41:55] Trevor Long: A couple of really big things about this to foreshadow on the review is the battery life is sensational. It is. I got 3 nights and 2 days out of mine. Yeah, 3 nights of sleep tracking.

[00:42:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I had 3, I think I got up to 4, a 4th day I had to plug, I had to charge it. So 3 nights and the 4th day plugged in, right?

[00:42:13] Trevor Long: I went from Monday 4 o’clock, yeah, Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Wednesday 1 o’clock in the afternoon I was charging, right? And I didn’t do any workouts in that time. So obviously if you do a GPS-based workout or anything like that, you’re going to drain the battery and all those things.

[00:42:26] Stephen Fenech: The bottom line, it’s like not a daily charge charge.

[00:42:29] Trevor Long: No, but even to, to be fair, Apple’s Ultra wasn’t a daily charge either.

[00:42:33] Stephen Fenech: No, no, that was a couple of days.

[00:42:35] Trevor Long: It’s an interesting observation. I put mine on charge and it says fast charging, estimated charge time an hour and a bit. I’m like, that doesn’t seem fast at all, what are you talking about? So it’s a weird thing for such a small battery. Yeah, it seemingly takes a while. But mate, walking the streets of London yesterday, yeah, do you know what stood out to me most about this? The 5,000-nit screen.

[00:42:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it is.

[00:42:56] Trevor Long: Yeah, an absolute stunner. And it’s, it’s, uh, adaptive. So I’m walking, I was next to like a tall building and I’m in the shade and I’m like, it doesn’t seem as bright. And then I went into the sun, I’m like, holy hell, it just— it just— the vision boost, mate, it— that is one hell of a screen.

[00:43:10] Stephen Fenech: That’s the brightest, uh, screen on a Galaxy Watch or any watch.

[00:43:15] Trevor Long: I think it’s on any smartwatch.

[00:43:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, 5,000 nits and the battery is 800 milliamp hours. Yeah, so that’s longer and it is 12% thinner than the previous model. Yeah, which is decent. I, I took a photo of them side by side, the original Ultra. You can tell it’s less. I think it’s got, you how the, the bottom of the Ultra was really round, the original one. This is much flatter on the bottom, on the base. So again, better comfort, I think.

[00:43:40] Trevor Long: Uh, wristability— no, that’s not a good word either. Yeah, wristability and handability, both possibly problematic words.

[00:43:50] Stephen Fenech: Don’t go there.

[00:43:53] Trevor Long: So the, the Ultra 2, $1,299, uh, comes in either titanium gray or titanium silver and some really nice bands The olive is the hero color you’ll see everywhere.

[00:44:03] Stephen Fenech: Uh, $649 for the Watch 9. Let’s talk about that one. That’s kind of more— this is the—

[00:44:08] Trevor Long: it’s a sleek looking watch.

[00:44:10] Stephen Fenech: It is a good look, really thinner, much thinner. And they’ve got the really comf— all day, uh, really comfortable soft bands as well. So they put a lot of effort, a lot of thought into the accessories, having nice bands and obviously the design as well. This has a 3,900 milliamp-hour battery, so you probably— this will only last you a day. Day to out a bit.

[00:44:28] Trevor Long: Yeah, and a 3,000-nit screen, so it’s still pretty bright.

[00:44:31] Stephen Fenech: Still bright.

[00:44:32] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:44:32] Stephen Fenech: And, uh, and again, I think that the emphasis even with the Ultra was, uh, effortless health monitoring. That was kind of the vibe. Yeah, we’re, you know, it’s funny, getting— gathering all this information.

[00:44:42] Trevor Long: I was trying really hard to get enough sleep tracking in it, and, um, my best result was like 5.5 hours sleep, which it said was good. And I think that’s, that’s, uh, relative because the other nights were all like 2 hours or something. And so it’s like, you know what, I better give them a good score for this one.

[00:44:58] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:44:58] Trevor Long: But its sleep tracking is excellent. One of the other things I’d say to you in my review is it also does snore tracking.

[00:45:04] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:45:05] Trevor Long: Now to be clear, the watch doesn’t do it, it’s your phone. Your phone needs to be on charge by the bedside table. It’s the thing that’s connected to the watch. But I would challenge any men of, you know, gut strength who snore, basically big blokes like us, not to turn on snore detection because it’ll end any arguments with your wife. She’ll win every time because it’s literally recordings of your snoring. Snoring. Really? You can listen back. Yeah, yeah, it shows you little waveforms. It goes like 11:29, this one. Yeah, wow. Yeah, it’s, it’s—

[00:45:38] Stephen Fenech: that’s a wake-up.

[00:45:38] Trevor Long: I’m like, oh wow, I thought I’d moved on from snoring, but no, I have not.

[00:45:42] Stephen Fenech: There you go. Well, I think, uh, the— I do love how this rounds out their ecosystem. They’ve got, yeah, for sure, the watches, the phones, the, the earbuds. We— they were released with the S Series, uh, also too, uh, one— we didn’t mention this with the Folds, the One UI 9 new OS. Because usually that’s what happens, they go the 9, the 0.5 is the S series and the next one up is the foldables. And these watches also reflect the One UI 9 also. Right. So that’s what I liked about it too. The Samsung Health app has had a total revamp too.

[00:46:20] Trevor Long: Oh yeah. So it’s completely different.

[00:46:23] Stephen Fenech: It’s much easier to track everything too. And it’s, look, Like a good smartwatch should, it’s not just spewing out numbers, it’s also giving you advice and how to improve your health and wellness and your sleep and all that kind of stuff. So it’s not just a dashboard, it’s also giving you a bit of coaching as well.

[00:46:41] Trevor Long: And it’s moving to that whole world of Whoop, which is a score. They’re trying to narrow things down to say you had a better day today than you did yesterday. Yeah. But what I like about it is, because I noticed with Whoop and Oura, I feel like they they hide the metrics and they just want to show you the kind of score, whereas I’m happy with the score but let me see the data. You know, I want to scroll down and see the sleep chart, I want to see the blood pressure. Like, it measures so much stuff while you’re sleeping. It’s crazy.

[00:47:09] Stephen Fenech: And the advantage too, that why customers I think like the Apple Watch and Samsung Watches, is that no subscription fees. Yeah, you buy a lot of these third-party products that have, you know, the Oura Ring or the Whoop, that you’re paying like significant amount of money per month to access their analytics of your own data.

[00:47:28] Trevor Long: I just, I can’t get on board with it. I gotta be honest with you.

[00:47:31] Stephen Fenech: Unless you’re like a really high, high level athlete, you want those insights. But I think that these bigger companies that have Samsung and Apple with their devices there and comparable to the insights and the data they’re tracking. So that’s a big tick in their column. Now the Samsung watches, I reckon, have been really underrated. I’m a big fan of the Samsung watches.

[00:47:54] Trevor Long: Oh no, they’re really good. They’re a beautiful design. Uh, it’s a great simple operating system.

[00:47:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:47:59] Trevor Long: Um, it’s easy to use.

[00:48:01] Stephen Fenech: A lot of watch faces too. It’s really cool. A lot of choices.

[00:48:04] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:48:05] Stephen Fenech: And there is, uh, yeah, there’s the, there’s the button on the side so you go straight into your exercises as well. And you can, uh, that bright screen too is incredible.

[00:48:14] Trevor Long: It’s unbelievable.

[00:48:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it’s really really good.

[00:48:16] Trevor Long: Yeah, very well done. All right, so both those products also go on sale August 14th, $1,299 for the Ultra 2 and starting at $649 and upwards about $799 for the LTE 4G— is it 5G or 4G? It’s probably 4G, I don’t know.

[00:48:30] Stephen Fenech: Um, yeah, the Ultra 2’s got a— it’s 47mm and the Watch 9 is available 40, 44.

[00:48:37] Trevor Long: That’s correct. All righty, get on it folks. You can see photos and read information about both those products at eftm.com and techguide.com.au.

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[00:50:16] Trevor Long: Now, for a while now, Samsung has been teasing and, uh, showing these XR devices. Uh, initially they kind of were showing these kind of headset style things, and then they started showing things that look more like glasses. And at the events that we— like, uh, we’ve talked about this before, Inside Baseball— we go to an event before the, the main launch where we get to look at the products and film all the videos you see on our social media and the like. They had these Glasses there, and at the end of the big Unpacked event today, they came out with a—

[00:50:44] Stephen Fenech: it was like a one more thing, hey, like it was there, it was a little bit there, wasn’t it?

[00:50:47] Trevor Long: Yeah, and they said this fall, um, and I think it’s going to be US and Korea, not Australia, but yeah, they’re going to have glasses in partnership with a couple of proper glasses companies, Warby Parker being one, and Gentle Monster. Never heard of either of them, um, but good luck to them. Um, basically, let’s be— let’s insult Samsung heavily. They’re Meta Ray-Bans made by Samsung. Samsung with the collaboration with Google and Qualcomm, right? They do the same stuff.

[00:51:10] Stephen Fenech: Meta woke up this morning thinking, oh, okay, we’ve got a competitor here.

[00:51:14] Trevor Long: And you know, I, I think about every single feature of the Meta eyeglasses these can do. So take photos, take video, play audio, AI. So ask, ask what you’re looking at, get directions, all those kind of things. No in-display, there’s no screen, there’s none of that. These are just glasses with cameras.

[00:51:28] Stephen Fenech: Now it’s a funny thing, and speakers so you can hear stuff.

[00:51:31] Trevor Long: The— I really think these companies need to start playing up the speaker stuff. Now they did lead with that today. Samsung did mention, you know, great audio device and stuff like that. But the problem is, mate, people hate these things. Like, I’ve done a couple of segments on these lately and the hate is—

[00:51:48] Stephen Fenech: whole privacy stuff—

[00:51:49] Trevor Long: the hate is strong. And I’ll argue till the cows come home that you don’t know who’s filming you when you walk down the street because of the way they’re holding their mobile phone. Exactly right.

[00:51:57] Stephen Fenech: Look, put this way, there’s nothing—

[00:51:58] Trevor Long: Val was filming me today when he asked me when we’re in line. I could see his little light flashing there. I’m like, dude, what’s doing here?

[00:52:03] Stephen Fenech: So that you charge for that sort of service, mate?

[00:52:06] Trevor Long: Yeah, I should have, I should have. I didn’t sign any, uh, thing. But it’s interesting, um, Where were we talking about this? Uh, who was I talking about this with? Uh, there’s a—

[00:52:15] Stephen Fenech: which other— Today Show talking about—

[00:52:16] Trevor Long: well, no, but I was talking about something about there’s a country where it’s not legal to film people in public without their permission, right?

[00:52:25] Stephen Fenech: And the sales are pretty low there.

[00:52:26] Trevor Long: Yeah, but you know, from a privacy point of view, I mean, maybe that’s just what we need.

[00:52:32] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but I, I view these— whenever people talk to me about things this, I say to them, I said, look, there’s nothing these can do that your phone can’t do. I can take a photo of you with my phone. You maybe, you know, you might not know I’m doing it because I’m not holding my phone, but the little light, and we’ve discussed before, the light, if you try to disable the light, it disables the camera. So there’s that as well.

[00:52:56] Trevor Long: Look, I think people don’t realize how wide the photo is. So it’s like I’m standing, ’cause like we’re in a small hotel room, bigger than yours, but I’m in a small hotel room.

[00:53:05] Stephen Fenech: You’re a bludger. Yeah, how’d that happen?

[00:53:08] Trevor Long: We’re in a— I literally rang in advance.

[00:53:11] Stephen Fenech: You did not.

[00:53:12] Trevor Long: I did. I rang up while I was in Sydney. I said, listen, we often get put up in these tiny little rooms, can I upgrade? And she goes, we’re sold out. Oh, we’re booked out. She goes, but I’ll put you in a corner room, which is the same rate and it’s a better size.

[00:53:25] Stephen Fenech: There you go. You did not. You’re g’d up now. I’m not. Are you? I really— Only you would do that.

[00:53:31] Trevor Long: Anyway, so imagine a hotel room, someone the door. Yeah. So there’s a, there’s a, there’s someone standing at the door.

[00:53:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:53:37] Trevor Long: And I’ve got the glasses on, I take a photo.

[00:53:39] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:53:40] Trevor Long: Now that photo, it’s pretty wide angle. It’s pretty wide angle. Um, obviously if it’s someone— people talk about the beach, right? If someone’s standing in a bikini, I’m going to have a photo, right?

[00:53:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:53:49] Trevor Long: But if I’m using my phone and I’m standing, as I’ve talked about, with my arms crossed with the phone here, I can camera shutter, I can camera shutter with my, with my wrist and take a photo, and then I can digitally zoom in on that, right? Yeah, that, and the other thing is you take like the Sony RX10 with 600mm zoom that we use for the bloody podcast, which are unbelievable, uh, cameras. I could be standing on the cliffs near the beach and zoom in and you have no idea who’s taking photos of you. So if you’re gonna get up in arms about it, you need to be up in arms about just the general principle of that.

[00:54:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, it’s not like they can take photos of you from far away, they’ve got to be pretty close to you.

[00:54:25] Trevor Long: That’s right.

[00:54:26] Stephen Fenech: Well, yeah, I know, look, I can understand why some people would be uncomfortable.

[00:54:29] Trevor Long: I get it, it can seem creepy.

[00:54:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but like it’s not It’s not like, uh, I can remember when I first bought mine and showed them to Jo and she said, okay, well, I’ll know that if you’re wearing them in the bedroom, I’ll be a bit worried. I went, well, no. So they’re, they’re sunglasses, right?

[00:54:45] Trevor Long: So they’re—

[00:54:46] Stephen Fenech: yeah, I can only be used outdoors.

[00:54:47] Trevor Long: I can use indoors, but, uh, I don’t even wear my reading glasses in bed, so any, any suspicion is going to be raised if I’m wearing glasses.

[00:54:54] Stephen Fenech: There you go, mate. Yeah, but, um, like, I find that I do like the fact that you can— I like the next, the latest generation, what the speakers sound so much better. But not only the quality, but the volume too, though. It’s louder.

[00:55:09] Trevor Long: This is the thing, as an underrated feature, people don’t realize how powerful that is for safety. You could be someone who walks every morning, runs every day.

[00:55:17] Stephen Fenech: That’s the other thing.

[00:55:18] Trevor Long: And the safety of you listening to a podcast or music through Meta or Samsung glasses is unbeaten.

[00:55:24] Stephen Fenech: Also too, taking photos with it through it, because you’re not holding something in front of your face. But also too, um, I’ve had this discussion on the radio a lot. We’ve had, you know how you can say, “What am I looking at?” And there’s a lot of people with vision issues that they ring up and tell us.

[00:55:39] Trevor Long: I bought a pair for one of my listeners who was visually impaired. I bought a pair for one of my listeners and said, “Mate, I wanna know how these work.” And it was amazing ’cause he’s like, “I can be in a shop and take a photo and ask what it is and they tell me what shop I’m standing in front of.” And it might not be the right shop, but because he’s aware of where the shops are, he knows that he’s probably, 20 meters down from where he needs to be.

[00:55:59] Stephen Fenech: That’s great. And it can even translate signs too, can’t it? What’s that sign say in English?

[00:56:05] Trevor Long: Yeah, I love it as a tourist thing. I still, I say it all the time. I talk about when we’re in Washington, we’re at the Washington Monument, we turn around and there’s a really weird looking building, lovely architectural building. And one of the kids said, what’s that? And I said, hey, matter, what am I looking at? And it said, you’re looking at the Museum of Black History. And I said, tell me more about it. And it told me. Yeah. And so I was listening and telling the kids this story, and I Great.

[00:56:24] Stephen Fenech: Like, and look, what else are you going to do to learn that? We, we— and look, but as you said, the Samsung glasses are probably going to be nearly identical to what Meta offers. Uh, will they— how bright will their light be when they’re filming? So I don’t know how that’ll work, but I’ve often said that this is waiting for the European Union to legislate, or don’t you think? Maybe. But I’ve often said, uh, and I think on this show, that, um, I reckon glasses are the future. 100% glasses. Instead of us wearing— carrying a phone around, we’ll have our watch watch and the glasses, the SIM card or whatever in the watch, glasses will connect to that and our little displays will be in there.

[00:57:02] Trevor Long: Messages and all that will be there.

[00:57:03] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it’ll be like carrying this big, big phone. And ironically, we’re talking about this the day they launch foldable phones, but for some customers, maybe down the track, this might be the best way for them to connect.

[00:57:14] Trevor Long: But I’ve said for years that my belief is that the watch is likely the brains of your— and your connection. So it’s where your SIM is. But so the glasses is where you get your messages, just your interface. And then, and then the foldable phone in this case is what you pull out. You might not carry it with you everywhere, but you pull it out when you want to sit and scroll the internet or watch a big video or whatever it might be. That’s right. You’re not going to do that on glasses, but you don’t need your phone for responding to text messages. And you know, what time are you coming home yet? You know, that stuff is all done. Voice command. And you talk— is it, was it Whisper that you tried?

[00:57:47] VOICE OVER: The Flow?

[00:57:48] Stephen Fenech: Oh mate, that’s awesome.

[00:57:49] Trevor Long: Yeah, I’ve started using it.

[00:57:50] Stephen Fenech: I’ve gone the Pro plan.

[00:57:51] Trevor Long: Love it. Yeah, same. I just immediately signed up.

[00:57:53] Stephen Fenech: I’m like, this is on my phone as well.

[00:57:55] Trevor Long: This is unbelievable.

[00:57:56] Stephen Fenech: It’s really accurate and learns.

[00:57:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, last night I sat here and I just went, what am I doing typing for? Yeah, I just sat and went, I don’t type anymore, I’ll use that.

[00:58:05] Stephen Fenech: Unbelievable. It’s really good.

[00:58:06] Trevor Long: My only challenge is I’ve now got to read everything back because I do need to check that it did the right thing.

[00:58:10] Stephen Fenech: You read everything back anyway?

[00:58:11] Trevor Long: No, I normally don’t read anything back.

[00:58:13] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you mean as you do it you check it? Yeah, I’m, you know, yeah, but it gets on.

[00:58:18] Trevor Long: My point there is that the voice voice, yeah, understanding of our language now is unbelievable.

[00:58:22] Stephen Fenech: It recognizes names and everything. Like, if I’m writing about Apple, it’s going to know I’m talking about the company, not the fruit. Yes, all that sort of thing.

[00:58:30] Trevor Long: What I noticed about— and I think this is where, you know, you talk about Siri AI understanding your, your corrections— is like, I’d be like, um, uh, you know, and I think the Samsung Galaxy, um, Z Ultra 8— no, sorry, the Galaxy Z Fold 8 Ultra— and you say it like that And it knew that you were correcting yourself.

[00:58:48] Stephen Fenech: It does, yeah, it’s good. Crazy.

[00:58:50] Trevor Long: That’s—

[00:58:50] Stephen Fenech: well, I’m very impressed with that. I’ve been using that for a few months and yeah, I think I was just using the free plan.

[00:58:56] Trevor Long: What do you need it on your phone for?

[00:58:58] Stephen Fenech: Just instead of typing, you can just talk on your phone. Like when I say I’m responding to you on WhatsApp, I can just press and say, yeah, okay, I’m on my way, and go boom, into here.

[00:59:08] Trevor Long: Normal dictation works pretty well for that stuff.

[00:59:10] Stephen Fenech: Part of the deal.

[00:59:10] Trevor Long: Okay, fair, fair call.

[00:59:11] Stephen Fenech: But I think it’s just the accuracy Yeah, it’s— I think it helps improve the accuracy on your other devices too.

[00:59:18] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah. Look, summary of the day is huge day for Samsung foldables. I do think it’s— this harps back to Gary McGregor’s statement of 4 years ago where he thought that the foldables could be the primary device for Samsung. This edge is much closer to that. They’ve shied away from saying that anymore, but yeah, and I don’t think we’re there this year. Yeah, but mate, it could well be in the next 2 years that they, they come very close to leveling selling out.

[00:59:43] Stephen Fenech: I think this has brought it to more of a mainstream consumer device than ever before. Foldables weren’t for everyone.

[00:59:50] Trevor Long: I think now there’s a foldable for everyone.

[00:59:52] Stephen Fenech: You can do— I think that was what Nathan was saying too. He said, well, it’s not do you want a foldable, it’s which one. And this is that. They’ve got the other portfolio, like a true salesman portfolio, to prove it. But, um, yeah, I think it’s a winner, this one. I’m currently setting it up right now, mate.

[01:00:08] Trevor Long: I’m trying Very good.

[01:00:09] Stephen Fenech: Trying to get it to, uh, get a smart switch, recognize the, the Wi-Fi.

[01:00:14] Trevor Long: Oh, good luck with that.

[01:00:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it looks slow connection. So that’s no connection. Try another network.

[01:00:20] Trevor Long: Good luck, Stephen. All right, you can read all of our details, uh, on techguy.com today, on aftm.com. You can see our videos. It’s Stephen Fenech and Trevor Long on social medias and things. Uh, it’s been a busy week. We’ll head back. We’ll, uh, we’ll be home on the weekend. And next week we’ll be recording from the Gold Coast, I think. So no video show again next week.

[01:00:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[01:00:42] Trevor Long: Because we’re doing a few car things next week. We’ve got a couple of cars, car events to go to. So we’re splitting ze Germans next week. BMW. BMW at the start of the week and Mercedes.

[01:00:55] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[01:00:56] Trevor Long: And someone said to me, because we come home on Monday night and then I’ve got Tuesday radio and podcasts and things to do. And it’s like we’re flying out of the Gold Coast on Monday night and flying back into the Gold Coast on Wednesday morning.

[01:01:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it’s insane. Yeah, anyway, that’s how we roll, mate.

[01:01:12] Trevor Long: All right, mate, uh, see you back in, uh, in Sydney and we’ll, uh, talk again next week, folks. See you, mate.

[01:01:17] Stephen Fenech: Bye.

[01:01:18] VOICE OVER: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Steven Fenech.