The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 743 – The Ideas Men

Two Blokes Talking Tech
Episode 743 — The Ideas Men
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech
Published: 30 July 2026

[00:00:00] Trevor Long: Wow, this is— I think that's the first time in 743 episodes you've hit the button.

[00:00:04] Stephen Fenech: I've hit record.

[00:00:05] Trevor Long: Yeah, you cannot— and I don't know where we're recording.

[00:00:07] Stephen Fenech: We're ready, by the way, as well.

[00:00:09] Trevor Long: Oh, good on you.

[00:00:10] Stephen Fenech: I should have asked you a question, then hit record halfway, and then you would have got the tail end of— like you do with me, I would have got the tail end of something, something juicy.

[00:00:17] Trevor Long: This is, um, swanky studio we're in. Fortunately, it's an audio-only episode, so you'll have to imagine it, folks. But Stephen or I are on a couch in a hotel room with a pop-up TV behind us. Yes, the TV pops out of the couch. Yeah, I walked into the room and the bed's in the middle of the room, so you look, it's not up against the wall, which is insanely weird, like an island. And I thought to myself, there's no television, isn't that strange? And I thought, you're on the Gold Coast, by the way, we're on the Gold Coast as guests of Mercedes. But I thought to myself, it is very strange not to have a TV in a room though. Yeah. And then there was a weird— when you walked in, do you remember what happened?

[00:00:52] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, there was like sound, or TV was on, and you thought it was my computer playing a YouTube video or something.

[00:00:55] Trevor Long: Yeah. By the way, my hearing is like George Costanza's vision. You think so? Yeah. Think about what happened today. We were driving all day and Stephen's in— he's driving, I'm in the passenger seat. Yeah. I said, mate, you're going to turn that indicator off?

[00:01:13] Stephen Fenech: He goes, no, no, I left it on. I forgot to turn it off because I could— I can't hear it.

[00:01:18] Trevor Long: Yeah. And you go, well, it's, it's a problem, you can't hear it, so you leave it on. I went, mate, how can you not hear that?

[00:01:23] Stephen Fenech: I don't know, it must be some frequency that I can't hear because my hearing is good, mate. I did a hearing test with the AirPods and I, I had very good hearing.

[00:01:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, can you go to an actual hearing person then?

[00:01:34] Stephen Fenech: No, there's clinical grade test.

[00:01:35] Trevor Long: Yeah, but maybe they don't test that frequency. If you're— well, if you're cooking an idea of frequencies, by the way, I don't want to hear about frequencies this week. We're going to talk about OzAlert in a bit, but yeah, if I hear another person talk about frequencies and conspiracies, I'll go nuts.

[00:01:48] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:01:49] Trevor Long: Um, mate, it's very weird that you don't hear the indicator on the car.

[00:01:52] Stephen Fenech: And you know what, in my own Merc, that's— I can't hear it in my own car.

[00:01:56] Trevor Long: So you— your ear—

[00:01:58] Stephen Fenech: it's a frequency.

[00:01:59] Trevor Long: You can't hear the Mercedes blinker frequency. What about press cars when you're driving a random car?

[00:02:03] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, I can hear those.

[00:02:04] Trevor Long: Yeah, so it's a Mercedes frequency.

[00:02:05] Stephen Fenech: Mercedes frequency I can't hear. What's up with that?

[00:02:09] Trevor Long: Well, I'm sure you'll raise it tomorrow with Mercedes.

[00:02:11] Stephen Fenech: No, I won't.

[00:02:11] Trevor Long: Just like you've raised 6 times to them today that your car's been delayed till October.

[00:02:16] Stephen Fenech: Well, they are going to help me.

[00:02:17] Trevor Long: My favorite thing was Jerry, the boss of Mercedes, going, shrugging his shoulders, going, oh yeah, good on you, as if to say, we've got your money, we've got a long queue of people that want it, mate. If you don't want it, someone else will.

[00:02:28] Stephen Fenech: Oh, I got it early, as soon as it was available I got in. Anyway, I've got to wait even longer.

[00:02:35] Trevor Long: Why don't you write to the dealer principal and say, listen, I've had words with her, I'm sorry to hear that XYZ has left.

[00:02:41] Stephen Fenech: I know who you're talking about, but I'm just—

[00:02:43] Trevor Long: I don't know who they are, but the dealer principal is the person responsible. And just to say Listen, I'm not a mug. I know that, I know that I ordered it the day it was available to be ordered. So what's going on?

[00:02:53] Stephen Fenech: Anyway, I have had words with her before about my other car, about your— my, my EQE. Do you remember I had it serviced 2 days and it said some error? Now the boot as well. Oh yeah, it had some error and it said, oh, you gotta take— I gotta take it back and repair it straight away. And I wouldn't have it for a month. I went, what? I said, they've had the car 2 days and then you tell me that? And I've written a big long letter, the email, thinking unacceptable, brand new car, not cheap. And I get a call from her, uh, and I said to her, you know, I said, your problem is you're new to electric cars and you've got no idea. You're brand new to electric cars and you're not up to scratch with the electric cars.

[00:03:41] Trevor Long: Well, she's— oh, I disagree.

[00:03:42] Stephen Fenech: And I said, okay, well, how's my experience going? Anyway, they end up getting the part from another car and gave me my car back in 3 days. And then my boot locked up. Remember the boot? My laptop was in the back and I couldn't open the boot of the car.

[00:03:55] Trevor Long: But because you're so—

[00:03:56] Stephen Fenech: that's in the first 2 weeks of owning the car—

[00:03:58] Trevor Long: blind brand, you're sticking, sticking strong. Yeah, well, I've tried hard all day to convince you to take the BMW.

[00:04:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I don't think it's— I don't think it's the right fit for me. I don't know, I might change my mind. But look, we— I, I'm happy with my test drive. I did a little test drive and I'm happy with it.

[00:04:17] Trevor Long: That's all we can say.

[00:04:18] Stephen Fenech: That's all I can say. Yeah.

[00:04:19] Trevor Long: All right, well, uh, yeah, another— we'll get back in the studio next week, folks, we promise, uh, because I know you're missing our ugly mugs.

[00:04:27] Stephen Fenech: Uh, just look at our photos on our websites if you want.

[00:04:29] Trevor Long: Yeah, just don't. Yeah, uh, it's just—

[00:04:32] Stephen Fenech: you remember what we look like.

[00:04:32] Trevor Long: Yeah, we haven't changed.

[00:04:33] Stephen Fenech: Or just tune into Channel 9, you see bloody Trevor on his air every day on the Today Show. If you want to see what his mug looks like.

[00:04:39] Trevor Long: Oh, and I was sitting with Gerry at dinner and something about age came up. He goes, how old are you? And I said, I turned 50 this year. He goes, oh, I turned 50 in March. And I went, geez, I wish I looked like you. Like, he looks so much younger than me. Yeah, doesn't he?

[00:04:51] Stephen Fenech: Do you reckon he gets the, uh, lives a bit, dies a bit?

[00:04:54] Trevor Long: No, no, he's— yeah, no, that's okay. He's just naturally like Michael J. Fox.

[00:04:59] Stephen Fenech: What's he— what's his nationality?

[00:05:01] Trevor Long: That's— I was wondering whether that might play into it too.

[00:05:03] Stephen Fenech: I don't know. European.

[00:05:04] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think there's a sprinkle of something in there. Yeah, anyway, sorry Jerry, but anyway, this is weird. This is weird. All right, well, uh, on that note, let's do this.

[00:05:15] Stephen Fenech: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:05:17] Trevor Long: Not a bad price. With Trevor Long from eftm.com.

[00:05:20] Stephen Fenech: Really handy device.

[00:05:22] Trevor Long: And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au. Episode 743, Two Blokes Talking Tech. Thanks to the great people at Netgear and Arlo, uh, for all your home networking needs. Nicky's got you covered. And speaking of having you covered, home security, Arlo. At every angle, wherever you want to point one, Arlo's got a security camera to suit you. From floodlights to doorbells to basic security cameras, you can get it done. We'll tell you more about them shortly. We'd love if you're shopping for either range of products that you consider those companies because they support us. Stephen, uh, you know, egotistically, I was on television a lot this week talking about this Oz Alert. I was also in the comments of a lot of Instagram and TikTok videos.

[00:06:01] Stephen Fenech: Really? Oh, you were? Okay, because you decided—

[00:06:03] Trevor Long: yeah, right, I decided to— people have their theories— insert myself into the lives of a whole range of completely— the only one I regret, the only one I regret, there was some lady that she was on Instagram and she goes, well, if you're like me and you got caught up in this Ozalert thing, and I was in the middle of a meeting and my niece was sleeping and it woke her up, and I just wrote back and I said, listen, if your niece and her family was in a bushfire, yeah, I think it'd be good if she was saved. And she wrote back going, I know the sarcasm was lost on this video and I need to need to consider that for next time. So she was just being— she was just jumping on the trend. Yeah, essentially. But a lot of people— and I want to start with this— a lot of people for the weeks leading up to this were like, this is— the initial videos I saw for probably the first, you know, week and a half, so 3 weeks out, were about domestic violence victims and how outrageous it was that the government would make a hidden phone go off and expose that phone to the partner of a domestic violence victim. And I, I understand that. I worry about that, but I wonder how we balance the need for national emergency alerts with those concerns of domestic abuse victims.

[00:07:14] Stephen Fenech: Didn't they, a couple of days before the alert, tell people, if you don't want to hear it, turn your phone off or put on aeroplane mode?

[00:07:21] Trevor Long: But I think what's fascinating about that is I think the government, the minister, only started doing that after all these concerns came out, because I spent a lot of time on the AusAlert website. And it doesn't— didn't mention that anywhere. So they hadn't factored that in, I don't think. And what I've been saying about that, by the way, is, look, it's great that we— this was a test and we were able to give you an hour's, a minute's, or a week's notice. But in the future, if there's a tsunami or a cyclone, you want to know, the domestic abuse victim will not get notice of that hidden phone about to go off. So my advice, if you're in that situation, which I I feel for you. I wish it wasn't that way, and I hope that you can get help. And there's 1800RESPECT, you can get help, right? Yeah, but get a dumb phone. Yeah, yeah, go and buy a dumb phone from Woolies or from somewhere, a flip phone, put a SIM card in it, or just make phone calls. And that allows you to call people when you need help, uh, text people.

[00:08:14] Stephen Fenech: So that won't go off then in the alert?

[00:08:17] Trevor Long: Dumb phones just don't go off.

[00:08:19] Stephen Fenech: But they're connected to the network.

[00:08:20] Trevor Long: Well, they're not, they're not rigged with the software that receives the alert, right? Yeah, it's a software-based thing, right? Which brings me to the second massive problem with this.

[00:08:29] Stephen Fenech: Is it about government conspiracies and location, locating us?

[00:08:32] Trevor Long: And, uh, well, my second major problem is, is iOS software. But let's continue on the conspiracy thing. You're right, just the number of cookers that are going, oh, the frequency of the tone.

[00:08:42] Stephen Fenech: Yes. Yeah, what?

[00:08:43] Trevor Long: The frequency of the tone is going to trigger things. People that got the COVID jab, this is going to trigger something.

[00:08:49] Stephen Fenech: Oh my God.

[00:08:50] Trevor Long: Just, yeah. And most of the time they were the videos that people were making. And the reason this is important to talk about, because our listeners are not stupid, right? Our listeners wouldn't fall for this stuff. But you've got to think about your cousin, your uncle, your aunt, your mum, your dad, your grandparents who are on Facebook and are scrolling these videos and aren't thinking, wait a minute, what's the government doing here, man? This is unbelievable. Yeah, you know, that kind of stuff, right? And again, in the comments, I'd be like, okay, what's going to happen? Tell me what the conspiracy is.

[00:09:19] Stephen Fenech: Exactly. How is this going to affect you and your privacy? Yeah.

[00:09:22] Trevor Long: And the thing is, people didn't understand was the government doesn't push a button that targets over-55 men with Mercedes. The government just pushed the button that says within this square kilometer range— yeah, obviously this test was the whole nation, but with— in the future it's with people within this geographic area from 160 square meters upwards, send them an alert. And, and they don't know how many people— they might be able to find out how many people got it, but they have no idea how many people are there before they send it.

[00:09:50] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so who did—

[00:09:52] Trevor Long: who—

[00:09:52] Stephen Fenech: what's the body called?

[00:09:53] Trevor Long: National Emergency Management.

[00:09:54] Stephen Fenech: So did they have— did they film them when they hit the button?

[00:09:57] Trevor Long: And then— I don't know, actually.

[00:09:58] Stephen Fenech: Imagine it's like the countdown. Okay, 5, 4, okay, press it. And they're waiting.

[00:10:03] Trevor Long: It was—

[00:10:04] Stephen Fenech: did someone film that?

[00:10:05] Trevor Long: No, I don't think so.

[00:10:06] Stephen Fenech: That would have been amazing.

[00:10:06] Trevor Long: I think— I think you don't want to—

[00:10:09] Stephen Fenech: is it a button they press? How does it work?

[00:10:10] Trevor Long: Well, no, it'd be a computer because someone's got to type it.

[00:10:13] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, but then to send it, they've got to have a big red send button.

[00:10:17] Trevor Long: You think so? But the conspiracies went wild.

[00:10:21] Stephen Fenech: Like, it was stupid, mate.

[00:10:22] Trevor Long: It was a lot.

[00:10:23] Stephen Fenech: But you know what, the conspiracies went wild. And where did you see all these, these claims? On the internet, on social media.

[00:10:29] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:10:30] Stephen Fenech: And it's people who were trying to go viral. They're trying to use it to go viral. They were trying to make these stupid claims and stupid theories.

[00:10:38] Trevor Long: I kind of wish they wanted to go viral. I was getting paid per use of the term either nut job, Froot Loop, or tinfoil. They were my keywords this week.

[00:10:47] Stephen Fenech: But the whole idea of it is for our own safety, isn't it? It's like a— that's what it's called, the safety alert, isn't it? So if, say— and I'm assuming they can deploy it in certain pockets of the country from 160 square meters upwards. So they can say, right, there's a bushfire in this area, evacuate now, get out of there.

[00:11:04] Trevor Long: And it doesn't replace anything. They're not getting rid of any other traditional alert system. They're not getting rid of the signs on the side of the road that tell you the bushfire danger. They're not stopping telling the ABC or any other radio station what the alerts are. They're not going to stop using SMS. They're just putting this layer on top of it. Now, the biggest issue and some of the criticism has been that the states haven't got on board. And that is an issue. Like, this is where they get on board because they— it's like, what do they believe?

[00:11:29] Stephen Fenech: They should control their own state?

[00:11:30] Trevor Long: Probably, probably. But one of them, one of the states or two of the states said that they don't think it caters to enough places, like people that use landlines. And I'm like, what are you talking about? If you've got a landline, how are you alerting that person? You can't send a text message to a landline.

[00:11:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:11:46] Trevor Long: Is someone calling every landline?

[00:11:48] Stephen Fenech: That's true.

[00:11:49] Trevor Long: Does that happen now? Am I missing that?

[00:11:51] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Now the fact is there would be people who don't have a smartphone, they still have a landline. There'd be a lot of people.

[00:11:56] Trevor Long: That's why it's entirely your choice.

[00:11:58] Stephen Fenech: That's why the test was needed, wasn't it?

[00:12:00] Trevor Long: To sort of work it out.

[00:12:02] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:12:02] Trevor Long: And also I think the test was important to just let people— because we've experienced it before. And a lot of people who travel internationally have experienced it before because in America you get it for earthquakes, uh, you know, Amber Alert for kids missing.

[00:12:14] Stephen Fenech: That's the other thing, isn't it? We're behind other countries that have it already in place.

[00:12:18] Trevor Long: Which brings me to my major issue with this whole thing. Let's say, uh, 2019— I haven't looked at where my screenshots were, but I'm going to say 2019 I got one in America, right? An Amber Alert for a missing kid or something like that, right? So what was the iOS version in 2019? It would have been, uh, what did we end at before we changed to 26? I think there was an 8, uh, 17 or 18.

[00:12:41] Stephen Fenech: I think it was 17.

[00:12:43] Trevor Long: So 17, 16, 15, 14. Let's call it 14. Let's just call it iOS 14. So we're in America, we've got a random iPhone and we're on iOS 14. When you get this beep beep beep, we get the alert, right? The same tone that we've heard this week. Yet in Australia, you had to be on iOS 26.4 which is less than a year old. Wow.

[00:13:02] Stephen Fenech: Why is that? Right here, you had to have a— so if you didn't have iOS 26.4, it wouldn't work.

[00:13:07] Trevor Long: You didn't get the alert. Holy hell. And if I had— I had two other phones with me that went weird. It was a Xiaomi, uh, and another Android, Nothing. And they were on, and they had no SIM card. They were on the network, right? But they're, they're less than a year old, so they have the latest Android. No, no, on the— so on, they're on the mobile network because of SOS, right? Okay, so by the way, this works with a phone without a SIM card because if your phone connects to the mobile towers for SOS, it's going to, it's going to register. Now these came up with, instead of critical, it said presidential alert. What? Because they haven't implemented whatever the Australian government has suggested, right? Right.

[00:13:41] Stephen Fenech: They had like a template in there already.

[00:13:42] Trevor Long: It's insane to me that it's— this doesn't work on iOS 18, let alone iOS 13 or 14.

[00:13:50] Stephen Fenech: Why wouldn't they do that?

[00:13:51] Trevor Long: You know, that's my problem with the government is, and my criticism of the National Emergency Management Agency is You sat in a room and came up with your own plan instead of going, what's in the phone now? What exists in the phone now?

[00:14:04] Stephen Fenech: You think you have— you put it on the— on several iOSs that work across every iPhone.

[00:14:09] Trevor Long: It's just ridiculous because we had people— there's definitely— so the government say 94% of mobile towers successfully delivered the message.

[00:14:18] Stephen Fenech: Um, is it 94% of towers?

[00:14:20] Trevor Long: That's what they said.

[00:14:21] Stephen Fenech: 94% of devices?

[00:14:22] Trevor Long: No, that's what they said, towers.

[00:14:23] Stephen Fenech: Towers, right.

[00:14:24] Trevor Long: Which firstly they said that's a success.

[00:14:27] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, Stephen, 6% is a lot.

[00:14:29] Trevor Long: If there's a tsunami coming, yeah, are we happy to lose 6% of people because they didn't get the message? Of course not. What they should have said was, we are, we are pleased with the test, we are hoping for a higher number, and we're going to continue to work on that, or whatever. Just come up with the thing. But then, but then I think the clickbait reporting is it failed. Yeah, so, but the fact is lots of people sitting in groups of 10 one or two people didn't get it. We had people that reported they got it but they didn't get the sound. So there's a lot of little things, but I still deem it to be a success because we're talking about it and I think everyone heard it.

[00:15:02] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely.

[00:15:03] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:15:03] Stephen Fenech: Well, I was— we were at lunch with BMW, remember? We're at the three— what's called Three Blue Ducks restaurant.

[00:15:08] Trevor Long: I don't care to give them any promotion because we were at a restaurant in the Byron Bay hinterland who tried to kick me out because I was doing a live cross on Channel 9 with a farmyard in the backdrop.

[00:15:18] Stephen Fenech: And, uh, everyone— I was down near the cars but you could hear all the phones in the restaurant going off at the same time, right? Just up the hill there.

[00:15:25] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:15:26] Stephen Fenech: And we're all down there looking at— ah, there it is.

[00:15:27] Trevor Long: And that's the thing, if you're wherever you were, in a meeting, in, uh, in a movie theater, you now know about it.

[00:15:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Imagine that would have been interesting if you're watching The Odyssey or something and it goes off, everyone's phone goes off. Yeah, that would have been— would have disturbed you. Yeah.

[00:15:41] Trevor Long: There was people whinging that they got it at 2:02 instead of 2 o'clock. Uh, and, and I thought Initially I was going to knock on them in the comments, and then I thought it's a fair point. If there's a— like, if we're on the ground floor of this building and there's a tsunami coming, yeah, 2 minutes is a big head start. And Stephen Fenech would bail through people like George Costanza in a kitchen fire.

[00:16:03] Stephen Fenech: Um, I would have barreled through everyone, mate.

[00:16:06] Trevor Long: So 2 minutes is a long time. Yeah, but it did it, mate. I was live on air and we counted it. Deb Knight actually counted it down.

[00:16:12] Stephen Fenech: It was like 3, 2—

[00:16:14] Trevor Long: the moon landing. Yes.

[00:16:15] Stephen Fenech: The moon launch.

[00:16:15] Trevor Long: And it came pretty much spot on time, I think, for most people.

[00:16:19] Stephen Fenech: It was dead on. I looked, I did a screenshot, it said 2 o'clock on my phone. Yeah, yeah. So amazing.

[00:16:24] Trevor Long: I don't know, I, I, I, I think it's important— not— I'm confident in our audience not being, uh, cookers in any way, but I think you've got to think about other people in your life in these situations. You've got to think about your— the elderly especially.

[00:16:39] Stephen Fenech: 10 seconds of inconvenience could in the future save lives.

[00:16:42] Trevor Long: And you know, um, the other, the other thing that was a solid myth amongst the conspiracy theorists, um, they would— and this is where I spent a fair bit of time in the week advance in the comments— was, here's how you turn it off, you go into this setting and this setting. And I'll be like, well done, you can't turn it off because there's several levels. This level is critical. A critical alert cannot be turned off, which is why the government had to talk about turning off your phone. Yeah. So all these people then in the days after going I turned it off and it still came through, and I went, that's because you're an idiot and didn't pay attention. You can't turn it off.

[00:17:13] Stephen Fenech: Just imagine that.

[00:17:14] Trevor Long: Did they reply back? Normally not. Yeah, no.

[00:17:18] Stephen Fenech: So Trevor Long from the Today Show is having a crack. Imagine that. So I said, Trevor Long from the Today Show's had a crack at my post.

[00:17:23] Trevor Long: Well, I do it in the Nine News post. Oh, are you really?

[00:17:27] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. What, as Nine News or as Trevor Long?

[00:17:28] Trevor Long: As Trevor Long, because Nine News can't reply to comments, but I can, so I'll reply to them.

[00:17:34] Stephen Fenech: Boom.

[00:17:34] Trevor Long: I think it's important to engage with people.

[00:17:36] Stephen Fenech: I've noticed that about you. Yeah, well, I know, I know, it must frustrate you knowing that they're not— people aren't paying attention, people aren't understanding, uh, or looking.

[00:17:46] Trevor Long: We spend our lives essentially trying to educate people, right?

[00:17:49] Stephen Fenech: Exactly.

[00:17:50] Trevor Long: And like, it's, it's, it's— this is a— I'm confident that these cookers and nuts are a very small percentage of the population, right? But, and it's heartwarming. Like, we're in the Virgin, um, terminal late because we were delayed, and one of the hosties off the plane, you know, she said, I hope it all went well today, I saw in the news this morning. I'm like I think, I think, I think the people that watch got the point, you know what I mean?

[00:18:10] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:18:10] Trevor Long: But we can only talk to so many people across our platforms, right? You talk about on the radio, we talk about on TV, we talk about on the podcast, but there's only so much we can do. And my concern is that a lot of people— like, I watch when I go visit my mum, like, they're retired, right? So they've got nothing except my mum goes to the gym in the morning and she goes to the shops for a donut or whatever, but essentially they're at home. You know, pottering around, watching TV, or they're on there like Gary, Mum's partner, on his tablet on Facebook. And you know, because he's got the bloody thing up loud and you can hear what he's listening to. And it's like they're just scrolling through Facebook, right? And so they hear these things, they see these things, and they don't understand that there's no filter over what people can say online now. Yeah. Uh, and so I worry about what is, what is happening to people's beliefs, which is why the, the theories really do take off. Yeah, it's made it sad.

[00:19:02] Stephen Fenech: Crazy.

[00:19:03] Trevor Long: Hard to watch. Yeah, it's hard to watch society crumble around idiots on the internet.

[00:19:10] Stephen Fenech: Well, you know what, but like I said, they, they— yeah, a lot of them are idiots, but a lot of them just want to— they just want attention. They just want something that people are going to react to. And you know what, bingo, successful. They got you to react to it.

[00:19:22] Trevor Long: And but okay, let me counter the— your, your disdain for my comments by saying, yeah, if I could, if I could convince 1 or 3 people who do click on the comments and think, oh, okay, but that bloke, I know that name, or, and he's saying it's okay. Yeah, I think that's, that's good. It might be a, might be a very small percentage of the nutjob viewers who give it a second thought, but I'll take a couple. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[00:19:49] Stephen Fenech: But did you, is that how you responded though, or were you calling them idiots and stuff like that?

[00:19:53] Trevor Long: I call them nutjobs and tinfoil hat. Oh, basically, yeah, I would, I would say what I want to say and then I'd I hope there's a special on tinfoil this week because you need more. Or I'd lead with, you clearly need to get back on your meds, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, because honestly, if you're in that world, you need to see a doctor, you know. Don't you think?

[00:20:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, look, if you— I don't know, some people—

[00:20:21] Trevor Long: there's a difference between—

[00:20:22] Stephen Fenech: it's a lack of understanding, mate. It's a lack of understanding. It's sort of a little bit of paranoia. It's all rolled into one.

[00:20:28] Trevor Long: And I I saw someone, but I didn't get— it was like I was on silence, I couldn't watch the video, but I was reading captions. And I, I feel like there was like an ANU professor or someone talking about this on maybe the ABC or somewhere, and they were talking about how this all comes— these kind of theories now come from us, just a distinct lack of trust in government. And I think, I think that's really sad.

[00:20:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know it is. Yeah, you know, the, the, the people thinking there was some sort of hidden meaning to it or something behind it, but And it comes from—

[00:20:58] Trevor Long: it comes from COVID because people lost faith in the government because of the way it was handled and lockups and stuff. But I still go back to the fact that I think if we reflect properly without any boundaries on COVID, we actually handled it pretty well. Like, you can second-guess the judgments. Even Dr. Nick Coatsworth— I don't know if you've seen him with Mark Boris, really good chat.

[00:21:17] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:21:18] Trevor Long: Um, and he, he doesn't— if you, if you see clips, you might misinterpret it, but if you if you listen to his full context, he doesn't regret really anything that happened. He just wishes some things— like, he basically says that the mandate for vaccines was wrong, which it should never have happened that way. He doesn't say he was wrong or who was wrong.

[00:21:37] Stephen Fenech: He just says that the mandate to get a vaccine—

[00:21:39] Trevor Long: they have to get it to work or whatever, whatever. Because he basically says, listen, the challenge was the, the people in nursing homes, and if, if only 95% of people got it, which, which is what would have happened even without a mandate, it would have done the job. That's how a vaccine works. And so that, that's— and you know, Dan Andrews in Melbourne shutting the place down, Roger Cook in— those things created this problem of today, which is people thinking the government is working against them when essentially they probably are in many ways. But look, well, the problem— there's no freaking conspiracies, the bottom line.

[00:22:11] Stephen Fenech: I think the problem with COVID was there was no leader that was willing to go against the grain. The— if, okay, we've got to shut down. So it's sort of, it's err on the side of caution.

[00:22:22] Trevor Long: Like, we're all—

[00:22:22] Stephen Fenech: because imagine, you know, the Monday morning quarterbacks are knowing that, okay, you know, hindsight's 20/20.

[00:22:28] Trevor Long: Exactly.

[00:22:29] Stephen Fenech: So at the time, you just— you got to just make a call.

[00:22:32] Trevor Long: And at the time, we've got to remember, yeah, there was thousands of people dying in other countries, and so we were trying to prevent that.

[00:22:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know, but—

[00:22:41] Trevor Long: and this AusAlert system comes out of a national— what is it called— a Royal Commission into, I think, the Black Saturday bushfires in Melbourne where 173 people died. Yeah, people—

[00:22:51] Stephen Fenech: because they didn't get adequate warning.

[00:22:53] Trevor Long: If, if 2 people— I don't know what numbers— but if 2 people died in a flood somewhere because they didn't get advised of the, of how critical the, the evacuation was, then that's 2 people too many.

[00:23:03] Stephen Fenech: 2 people, exactly right.

[00:23:05] Trevor Long: And, and I think that's what we've got to remember. That's why this system's being Yeah, and again, we're late, but this has been— this is in 35 other countries. It has been for a long time.

[00:23:14] Stephen Fenech: But the irony is that these idiots that are bagging it, one day it could potentially save their life, and they don't realize it.

[00:23:20] Trevor Long: Which is why I make it personal and I say to them, are you okay with your house burning down?

[00:23:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. And because I could have been warned. Yeah, I remember family dying.

[00:23:27] Trevor Long: I remember one comment and I went— I made the point of not talking about death. I just said, if your house burnt down, I'll tell you right now, I'll make sure there's no GoFundMe for you because you're on your own. Because that's what happens. People lose their house.

[00:23:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:23:39] Trevor Long: And we raise money for them.

[00:23:40] Stephen Fenech: We do. Yeah.

[00:23:41] Trevor Long: Mate, if you lost your house because you didn't do whatever needed to be done, yeah, then it's on you. Then it's on you.

[00:23:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that's fair.

[00:23:47] Trevor Long: And obviously losing lives is a much more dramatic thing. Absolutely, mate. Mate, I stand by the fact that it was— it's a good system. I stand by the fact that it happens everywhere else in the world and this is a no-brainer.

[00:23:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. And I think we're behind.

[00:24:01] Trevor Long: What I want— my last point is what I want is I want there to be a Senate Estimates inquiry into did this succeed? I want the senators asking the right questions. Are they going to do that? I don't know. I, I must—

[00:24:13] Stephen Fenech: well, they have to. They went to all that trouble. They've got to look at the results.

[00:24:15] Trevor Long: Yes, but the results need to be scrutinized. Yeah, because the question I want asked is, why can't this work with older versions of, of software when it does overseas?

[00:24:26] Stephen Fenech: Unbelievable.

[00:24:26] Trevor Long: That's the simple fact. All right, two blokes talking tech. We're going to stream through without stings today, folks, because otherwise it would require a lot of editing from me. That's, that's all I'm saying.

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[00:24:56] Trevor Long: You got possums?

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[00:26:04] Trevor Long: I'm just using this moment to just scroll through this while I'm in there, see what's happening.

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[00:26:22] Trevor Long: Now, Stephen, uh, 13 months ago Telstra announced, uh, that they had turned on and initiated, uh, satellite messaging, uh, in all parts of Australia via their SpaceX, uh, Starlink partnership. So the idea here is that Starlink has, uh, thousands of satellites in the air, but they've started launching different satellites, more modern ones, which have this they call direct-to-cell technology, which means the satellites can communicate with our existing mobile phones. You don't need a special big chunky satellite mobile phone. And Telstra launched this basically with— we'll call it SMS, but messaging. So you could use your SMS app to send an SMS, text messaging. Yes.

[00:26:57] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:26:58] Trevor Long: And you know, it's such a phenomenal concept that, you know, you're in the middle of nowhere and you can just send a text saying, I'm okay, or yeah, I've come to here and I'm going there, or whatever it might be.

[00:27:08] Stephen Fenech: A lot of people tried it. There was millions.

[00:27:09] Trevor Long: All you needed to do was to be in range of the sky. And you're right, the numbers were 26—

[00:27:16] Stephen Fenech: more than 26 million text messages sent in the first year.

[00:27:18] Trevor Long: Yeah, and, and the rate of usage has gone from 80,000 per day at launch to 200,000 per day now. They're like, it's, it's huge. And so that messaging has been good. And, and also the number— I think, I don't know if I've got in the AFTM story, but I did on the Nine News story— I think it's 9.6 million or 2.9 million customers have actually used, connected to the service, which basically means a lot. They've had a phone in an area that was SOS only and it switched to satellite. That's perfect, outside of the range of Telstra. Well, now they've launched Select Satellite Apps, uh, which is basically allowing you to use a little bit of data by satellite.

[00:27:58] Stephen Fenech: Okay, which is pretty cool. Not much. So we're talking navigation, you open up Google Maps and you can search for a place, which in the middle of nowhere is a good thing to have.

[00:28:10] Trevor Long: Pretty amazing.

[00:28:10] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, Apple Maps, and also see where you are. On a map, because when you think about it, so the, so you're all, the phone's got the GPS, so the satellite, what's the satellite providing?

[00:28:22] Trevor Long: The satellite just brings, brings the map portion down.

[00:28:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right. Okay.

[00:28:26] Trevor Long: And you know, you obviously, the better thing to do if you're going trekking is to download the offline version of the map, but leaving that aside, uh, so you can use Apple Maps, Google Maps, and AllTrails. Now the reason it is, they call it select satellite apps, is because the app developers need to optimize their apps to use this so they can switch over to that connection. Yeah, so that it uses a low data rate. Yeah, you also have to be logged in already because it won't—

[00:28:50] Stephen Fenech: yeah, you won't be able to have web authentication installed and logged in.

[00:28:54] Trevor Long: And as I've said in my story, just be clear, you can't stream Netflix, right? This is super select messaging apps. So iMessage, small packets of data, WhatsApp, yep, Facebook Messenger, Signal, Google Messages.

[00:29:06] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:29:06] Trevor Long: That— I think that's the game changer, right? Because yeah, doesn't matter where you are, you can still watch and keep in touch with people. Yeah. I don't know why weather apps are so important, but I guess— is it going to rain here?

[00:29:16] Stephen Fenech: What about the, the weather maps? Apple Weather?

[00:29:19] Trevor Long: Yeah, I know what you're going to say.

[00:29:20] Stephen Fenech: What about Google Fitness?

[00:29:21] Trevor Long: Who's true?

[00:29:22] Stephen Fenech: Who's working out in the middle of nowhere?

[00:29:23] Trevor Long: Yeah, I'm— I've done 200,000 steps trying to find my way back to mobile coverage.

[00:29:28] Stephen Fenech: Who's training?

[00:29:28] Trevor Long: I might just update my Fitbit.

[00:29:30] Stephen Fenech: Maybe.

[00:29:30] Trevor Long: Yeah, well But it's cool, you know, it's— it'll be interesting to see what other stats they'll be able to publish in the months ahead because I don't know if they'll use a data number, like will they talk about how many megabytes or gigabytes have been transmitted or the number of app instances that have been used?

[00:29:45] Stephen Fenech: Now, is it true that you need, for these supported apps, you need to have a Samsung Galaxy S26?

[00:29:53] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:29:54] Stephen Fenech: Or an iPhone 13 or newer.

[00:29:56] Trevor Long: Now, uh, earlier Samsungs and Pixel are coming, so, so there are—

[00:30:00] Stephen Fenech: they can do— they can do that, they can do the SMS now.

[00:30:03] Trevor Long: But they've, they've still a bit more tweaking to be done for the other apps, right? Okay, which is kind of fine. That's not the end of the world. Bring it on, I say. But it's super cool. Now the thing to really drill in on here is you can't do anything with emergency services. There's no phone calls. You can't use WhatsApp to make a data call.

[00:30:22] Stephen Fenech: You can't text 000, can you?

[00:30:24] Trevor Long: And that, mate, that is my—

[00:30:26] Stephen Fenech: I think that's a good argument. Like we were saying after the Chelsea outage, why can't you just WhatsApp 000. It's a good argument. If you've seen now they've got access to those apps in these remote areas thanks to satellite, then shouldn't that give them even more reason?

[00:30:41] Trevor Long: The 000 custodian is asleep at the wheel in my book. And I wrote about this after the Senate inquiry, uh, a few weeks ago. Um, the— after the Optus outage, you know, there was a big hoo-ha, obviously, and submissions were made about educating Australians about how you need to update your software, right? Because they realized that a bunch of the calls with the Optus drummer didn't go through because their software was old and didn't know. So think of it this way, we used to have 3G, 4G, and then we got 5G, and some phones would work on all three, right?

[00:31:11] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:31:11] Trevor Long: And so the software was built back in 3G, 4G times, and then a year and a half, two years ago, we switched off 3G and the software was still built so that if you call triple zero to try 3G—

[00:31:22] Stephen Fenech: yeah, right.

[00:31:23] Trevor Long: So this, the software needed to be updated so that it would use 4G by default and 5G if possible. And what we found during the Optus outage was that a bunch of people had phones that hadn't been updated.

[00:31:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:31:33] Trevor Long: And so what was agreed was, you know what, they need an education campaign. We need to be educating Australians on—

[00:31:39] Stephen Fenech: so hang on, remember before Optus though, there was a huge campaign, update your phone, there's still phones that haven't got the update to you, you won't be able to ring 000.

[00:31:47] Trevor Long: Now that was during the— it was, it was as a result of the Optus outage.

[00:31:49] Stephen Fenech: I thought it was before that when 3G got turned off.

[00:31:52] Trevor Long: Oh yes, yes, but that, but that, no, but that was, that was because those phones were simply physically unable to, and, and, but also some that needed to be updated because it was identified. Yeah, but they identified more and more and more during the opposite, which made them realize that this message of software updates was critical, right?

[00:32:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:32:09] Trevor Long: So the thing here is that if, if we, if, so the telcos got together and agreed on the 000 Custodian said, hey guys, get your act together, you need to market this, you need to talk to people about this. The telcos got together and wrote to the 000 Custodian, said, hey, we agree, we need to communicate this, but we need a shared message. It needs to be government-endorsed, and frankly, it should be the government that does it. We support it. Yep. And they didn't say we wouldn't fund it, but it needs to be government message. They wrote— I'm going to say— I'm going to make these dates up, they're broadly on the FTM site, but The, the, they wrote to the 000 Custodian, let's say 15th of May. The 000 Custodian appeared before the Senate in mid-July and said, oh, we're going to reply next week. What have you been doing? What have you been doing?

[00:32:56] Stephen Fenech: How long has it taken to reply?

[00:32:57] Trevor Long: What are you doing? Yeah, it's outrageous. Oh my God, they're sitting on their hands. What else would the 000 Custodian be doing? It's embarrassing. And, and I, I've said very clearly what needs to happen is, and if, if, if Albo rang me and said, what do we do, Trev? I'd say firstly you make me the triple zero custodian with one job, future plan. And then what I do is I write to Apple, Samsung, Oppo, every mobile company, as in physical phone, and then every telco, and then every government agency in every state and the triple zero. And we get in a big room and I say, listen, I don't want to hear anyone bagging the other person. I want only solutions here. And I get a whiteboard that's the size of a wall and I draw a person on one end, you know, with, with a person on the ground with a broken arm or something.

[00:33:45] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:33:46] Trevor Long: And then at the other end of the wall, I draw a triple zero operator sitting at their desk.

[00:33:50] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:33:51] Trevor Long: All right.

[00:33:51] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:33:51] Trevor Long: And then we go, what are all the ways that, that this person, that person could, could talk to that person? And you'd go, oh, you'd go Snapchat, you'd go, you'd list them all. And then you'd go, listen, let's just rule out Snapchat. Let's just be real about this. Let's rule a few out. And you'd be left with phone call, text message, iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTime, WhatsApp phone call. You know, you'd come up with— we'd come up with a bunch, and bunch of them are data-based, data-oriented.

[00:34:20] Stephen Fenech: So it doesn't matter if there's an outage.

[00:34:22] Trevor Long: Essentially what we need to do is then go, okay, so tell me, Telstra, why would a WhatsApp phone call or a WhatsApp message not work if your network is down but there's a satellite connection. And they'd say, oh, because it, because it failed as well, so it wouldn't have worked. Because, oh, when a user's on the satellite system, it authenticates them via the mobile network. Get your shit together and fix that, right? So that's the first thing. And so you just make this the plan.

[00:34:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:34:47] Trevor Long: And no, it's not going to happen in 6 months.

[00:34:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but you say by 2030, here's what we want to do, surely we can do it.

[00:34:52] Trevor Long: By 2030, we want Australia's triple zero emergency system to be the most advanced in the world.

[00:34:58] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:34:58] Trevor Long: And we want triple zero to be where, you know how they, how we talk about, um, TV is like Watch what you want, where you want. That should be the motto for Triple Zero. Call us how you want, when you want, you want, wherever you want. And this Starlink system should be part of it, should be the backbone of it. You know, if Annie Wright in the screenshot on the Telstra video, if Annie Wright is, or that's the person they're messaging, but if I've got contact with someone, I should be able to contact Triple Zero. There's a lot of complexities around that. How do you stop people randomly text message? How do you authenticate it? How do you find out what problem they need?

[00:35:33] Stephen Fenech: You need to do It needs to be like, um, it needs to be like fall detection. You know how fall detection works? Yes. How something happens, you've initiated it.

[00:35:44] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:35:45] Stephen Fenech: So what's— and if you do it accidentally, I mean, you could turn it off.

[00:35:47] Trevor Long: WhatsApp's got 3 years to develop a slider that says slide this if you don't want this help, otherwise you are— otherwise you are initiating a live chat with a 000 operator.

[00:35:57] Stephen Fenech: Or slide if you want to do it.

[00:35:58] Trevor Long: What? Well, see, that might be problematic because, yeah, what if they're in trouble? So, so yeah, it needs to be an action taken. But don't you reckon that needs to be like fall detection?

[00:36:07] Stephen Fenech: Yes, just happens, just works. Yeah, when you need it.

[00:36:10] Trevor Long: But, but like, you know, how do you add 000 to your contacts? Well, everyone knows how to add a contact. So you go to the government website and you say download our contact now, and it saves in your phone. Or could it be WhatsApp, FaceTime, everything?

[00:36:22] Stephen Fenech: In your position as the, uh, new triple zero custodian—

[00:36:25] Trevor Long: all right, master, yeah, that's a good word—

[00:36:27] Stephen Fenech: yeah, couldn't you say to all the, all the Apple, Samsung, if you're going to sell a phone in Australia It has to have this capability built in to facilitate our connection to Triple Zero via any means necessary.

[00:36:41] Trevor Long: That's correct.

[00:36:41] Stephen Fenech: Any means at your disposal.

[00:36:43] Trevor Long: That's correct. And we'll give you 12 months notice for every new means.

[00:36:45] Stephen Fenech: So, and then, and then you say you had the phone manufacturers in the room, didn't you?

[00:36:49] Trevor Long: Samsung, Apple, and you have Meta, and you have, you know, the software developers, Telegram, Signal, whoever. Yep. And, you know, work it out.

[00:36:56] Stephen Fenech: I'd say work it out.

[00:36:57] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[00:36:59] Stephen Fenech: Come back to me 6 months to show me a prototype. Yeah, 3 months.

[00:37:04] Trevor Long: And the first thing I want is SMS. Yeah, and, and a mechanism for validating.

[00:37:10] Stephen Fenech: So if you dial 000 on an SMS and sent it, it should, it should come back and say, are you sure?

[00:37:18] Trevor Long: Yes. In, in 15 seconds you're going to be in, you're going to be in a live chat. Reply no to cancel. Like, you know, like fault detection.

[00:37:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but are you okay?

[00:37:28] Trevor Long: But in a text thread, yes, it should be default. It should be, I'm gonna initiate the thing unless you say no. Text back the no, mate.

[00:37:36] Stephen Fenech: They need ideas, people like you and I there, mate.

[00:37:38] Trevor Long: But this is what I'm saying, it's not that hard.

[00:37:40] Stephen Fenech: I know, like, no, like, the Blackwell's gonna reply. How long does it take him to reply? He hasn't replied yet. No. What are they doing over there?

[00:37:48] Trevor Long: I'm telling you, he's playing darts. It's, it's complicated. It's not easy, but they've got till 2030. Oh, that's— oh, you put a number, 2030. You put a number out, it's 4 years to do that. Yes, but you— what, mate, it does, it takes time, right, to do all these things. You've got to give— because there's going to be huge changes required at the network level, in the app level. Yeah, but, but we, we say that, but within 1 year we're gonna, we're gonna have this. Yeah, and that's what I'd say to them, we're gonna come up with a list that's gonna be 2030, but you have to pick the 1 thing that's gonna happen in a year, right? And so we're— so then every 6 months we initiate new things and everything else gets updated.

[00:38:22] Stephen Fenech: So the government, we just finished talking about the alert system and how they can come our way. Then can't there be a reverse channel on that path as well? And we go back to triple zero, right?

[00:38:34] Trevor Long: Put the hands of the consumer.

[00:38:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, let's do that.

[00:38:38] Trevor Long: I reckon two blokes talking taking over the government, uh, not in a conspiracy way, in a good way, folks. Uh, all right, Two Blokes Talking Tech, we're loving your support. Many thanks to Arlo and Netgear.

[00:38:48] Stephen Fenech: Well, uh, you know, Hisense has, uh, come up with something new, and it's not a TV.

[00:38:53] Trevor Long: No, it's fridge.

[00:38:54] Stephen Fenech: It's not a fridge. It's not a projector. Not a dishwasher. They've entered the audio game.

[00:39:01] Trevor Long: Yeah, what now?

[00:39:01] Stephen Fenech: Audio. Can you believe it? Yeah, Hisense has produced— it's— they call it HiClips. Now these are— well, these are really trendy at the moment.

[00:39:09] Trevor Long: They are, aren't they?

[00:39:10] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, Sony's got them, Shokz have got them. Oh yeah, and now Hisense have got it.

[00:39:14] Trevor Long: I would describe it still as an open ear earphone.

[00:39:17] Stephen Fenech: Well, it's designed for you to be out and about and still hear your surroundings. Yeah, basically. So, uh, they, they've got this, uh, this C-shape. They've got this like titanium nickel C-bridge, they call it. So it's covered in soft silicone, so it's comfortable. So one goes in your ear and the other one clips to the outside of your ear, and you are then able— the one that's near inside your ear is what aims the sound into your ear hole.

[00:39:43] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:39:43] Stephen Fenech: And then, uh, then you can hear your music, your podcast, or audiobook, whatever you happen to be listening.

[00:39:49] Trevor Long: No, I haven't tried these yet, and I will, will soon, hopefully.

[00:39:51] Stephen Fenech: I'm hoping to get a pair of, uh, review, uh, clips as well.

[00:39:55] Trevor Long: I did, I did try the Shokz recently, right? I just— yeah, I tried Sony's as well this week, and, oh mate, I put it in and I've got— I listen to the same 6 songs constantly, right? So I instantly went, wow, like, wow, it was so good. Because there's—

[00:40:10] Stephen Fenech: which was the Shokz ones. Yeah. Wow.

[00:40:12] Trevor Long: But no, but, and see, it's not, it's not a brand thing, I don't think. I remember having a set of, uh, they might be Sennheiser. Yeah, Sennheiser earphones, big ones.

[00:40:23] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:40:23] Trevor Long: And they were— but they were open. Yes. Right. So you could hear the world around you, but they were, they were such high quality they would use in studios.

[00:40:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:40:31] Trevor Long: And because I know, because a musician mate of mine said, mate, can I have them? Like, they were $2,500. And I thought to myself, they must be good. And, and what it is, it's because it's actually good for you to not block out the world.

[00:40:43] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:40:43] Trevor Long: To actually have the sound coming in. Yeah. And I mean, I was genuinely blown away. So it's fascinating to see what these are like. I didn't think they looked silly on me either when I stood in the mirror. I want— if I— as soon as I walk in, Amanda will judge me very quickly. But isn't this fascinating? They're $200.

[00:40:58] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:40:59] Trevor Long: I, I'm fascinated by it because you're Hisense, right? You're known for essentially TVs and appliances. Why?

[00:41:06] Stephen Fenech: I think that's what— that's sort of one— that was one club missing out of the bag, you know. They wanted to— they've got TVs, projectors, appliances of all kinds.

[00:41:15] Trevor Long: They've got sound— they've got— oh, they've got soundbars.

[00:41:17] Stephen Fenech: Soundbars are there, but it's not really premium part of their business. No, the personal audio, I think, is what they want to crack.

[00:41:24] Trevor Long: So I, I find it fascinating. It probably goes to them trying to, I don't know, own their audience as much as they can if they're getting brand loyalty.

[00:41:33] Stephen Fenech: Like, would these work with other Hisense products? I'd assume they would.

[00:41:37] Trevor Long: Yeah, no reason why you couldn't use them to watch your TV.

[00:41:39] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:41:40] Trevor Long: Um, I don't understand— I don't believe that there's any efficiency. I don't think it happens in any better way or simpler way or anything like that.

[00:41:47] Stephen Fenech: What about the colors? I could see the orange ones on you, mate.

[00:41:50] Trevor Long: Really? Thank you.

[00:41:52] Stephen Fenech: Black— there's black, I think beige. What are you—

[00:41:55] Trevor Long: I think I'll be going like beige-ish.

[00:41:56] Stephen Fenech: Who's named the colors? Got to see the official colors.

[00:41:59] Trevor Long: I don't have the list.

[00:42:00] Stephen Fenech: Here we go, I've got them here. Vitality Orange. Okay, Cloud White. Yeah, Graphite Blue.

[00:42:06] Trevor Long: Right.

[00:42:06] Stephen Fenech: And Midnight Black.

[00:42:08] Trevor Long: Yeah, I'm gonna stick with the, the white ones, but the blue ones do look nice.

[00:42:12] Stephen Fenech: Oh, I would wear the orange ones. If, if imagine if you've got an orange iPhone, iPhone 17 with your orange earbuds.

[00:42:20] Trevor Long: Imagine your job is to be the leak, the sleuth, the spy in the tech world about colors, because they clearly exist. Yeah, you know, we can't speak to things that we might be under embargo on, but Just go back to the iPhone dummy that was like a purple magenta color.

[00:42:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:42:36] Trevor Long: And I'm seeing that—

[00:42:37] Stephen Fenech: is that, is that gonna be the hero color this year?

[00:42:39] Trevor Long: Likely coming from a couple of other people.

[00:42:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The orange Pro Max.

[00:42:44] Trevor Long: I'm seeing that coming from a couple of companies this year. I'm like, how does, how does it happen that they suddenly all have the same color? That's weird, you know, because those Hisense orange Hi Clips— but I think they would match an iPhone beautifully.

[00:42:57] Stephen Fenech: Oh, they would perfectly.

[00:42:58] Trevor Long: But which, which I think it's still amazing that Apple hasn't decided to add colors to the AirPods because I think black AirPods will look amazing. Yeah, amazing. But John Turnus— yeah, John Turnus for media monitoring. John Turnus, um, mate, color, add some color, bro. I know white is iconic because the original ads and the silhouettes and the white, but come on, bro, wouldn't it be good if you bring back the silhouette ads with colors?

[00:43:23] Stephen Fenech: Well, how about this idea, right?

[00:43:25] Trevor Long: Also diversity.

[00:43:25] Stephen Fenech: Have the— have the AirPods— have the AirPods match that year's iPhone. Exactly.

[00:43:32] Trevor Long: Boom. Like when you come out with an orange phone, come out with orange AirPods.

[00:43:35] Stephen Fenech: Imagine that's a massive upsell. Imagine all the Apple fanboys and girls would think, oh, I've got to get the— I've got the blue phone, I've got these blue AirPods.

[00:43:42] Trevor Long: I know, it's—

[00:43:43] Stephen Fenech: mate, we should be consultants for Apple.

[00:43:45] Trevor Long: We are on fire tonight. Yeah, this is our day.

[00:43:48] Stephen Fenech: But I think, and being such—

[00:43:50] Trevor Long: do you reckon we get more money from Apple or the government for our consulting? I know, for the Apple— no, it's government.

[00:43:56] Stephen Fenech: You reckon?

[00:43:56] Trevor Long: They just shell out cash. Yeah, they'll throw it away. Solzi money everywhere.

[00:44:03] Stephen Fenech: But I think with this sort of product where it's, it's outside your ear more than inside your ear, I think color is important.

[00:44:09] Trevor Long: No, I think so too.

[00:44:10] Stephen Fenech: It's an expression, you know. It's other times the earbud is in your ear, you can't see it very well. Here it's exposed.

[00:44:18] Trevor Long: I will say these are a really interesting product to make sure you don't judge first minute. Because you might not have got it right. Yeah, I found it— fit it properly. The Shox one, there was a— in the app there was a guide that showed the ear and, you know, the positions it should be and shouldn't be. Okay. And because I— you know, it shouldn't be directly down over your lobe. It needs to be— it shouldn't be like, uh, parallel to the horizon. It should be like at 45 degrees at an angle. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:44:43] Stephen Fenech: Have a look at the pictures in here. Did you see these? Yeah, I sense— I took pictures.

[00:44:47] Trevor Long: See, that's really high, right? Compared to the Shox ones, that's really high. Yeah, yeah.

[00:44:52] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, they— these are ones I borrowed from the Hisense website.

[00:44:55] Trevor Long: They never said we've got the same ones at afm.com.

[00:44:57] Stephen Fenech: Okay, yeah, so you was equally as enterprising as me, were you, with the photos?

[00:45:01] Trevor Long: Yeah, see, look, there they are.

[00:45:03] Stephen Fenech: Ah, there you go. I think you downloaded them from techguide.com.au.

[00:45:08] Trevor Long: I didn't write the story, so I don't know. Okay, could be anything. Anyway, $199 available exclusively at hisense.com.au.

[00:45:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, they're available, by the way. In the press release it said now, it said now, and I'll get a little message message from Hisense. Let me just, uh, let me find it for you. Yeah, uh, it's, it's— I've got to find the right date.

[00:45:27] Trevor Long: I think it's August, August 5th. Oh, there's 10. Hang on, let me just—

[00:45:31] Stephen Fenech: this is great podcasting.

[00:45:33] Trevor Long: Hang on, that's the— Alice, how are you used to it?

[00:45:35] Stephen Fenech: August the 10th. Yes, it is my daughter's birthday. Hayley's birthday.

[00:45:38] Trevor Long: Oh, lovely.

[00:45:39] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:45:40] Trevor Long: All right, uh, check it out and you can read, uh, all the details of the launch at techguide.com.au and eftm.com. And we do Two Blokes Talking Tech. Thanks to the great people at Netgear. Netgear.com.au where you can find all the info about their home Wi-Fi and enterprise AV, uh, enterprise and AV solutions. But the mobile Wi-Fi got me through London once again. It's an unbelievable product that works in hundreds of countries around the world. You can buy the M7 through Netgear at their website and basically use it anywhere in the world. Pair it with your phone and you can set up eSIM. So I land in London, I sit in my hotel room, I buy a European eSIM and it's ready to go. I can, I can pair my devices through the, through the Netgear Nighthawk 5G M7 Mobile Wi-Fi 7 router with eSIM. And it's, mate, it's a great product. I, I use it every time I travel. And the thing is, you can basically— let's think about your laptop, your phone, your tablet, and even your family's devices. You're traveling as a family, you can all just be connected to— it might be, you know, the long family Wi-Fi is what you call it, right? Every device is connected. And then if you're changing hotels, the, the Netgear 5G M7 Mobile can connect to the hotel Wi-Fi and then essentially passing all the traffic through. It's a brilliant little way to use Wi-Fi offload, but most importantly, you can have data anywhere through a simple eSIM. Purchase them in any country through the Netgear app that you monitor and set up the Nighthawk with, and it works an absolute charm. Perfect for travelers, perfect people on the go, who need Wi-Fi everywhere. And you can find out details and buy it online at netgear.com.au. Stephen, um, HP announced a new computer this week.

[00:47:17] Stephen Fenech: Yes, but it's not just any old computer.

[00:47:19] Trevor Long: It will blow people's minds, don't you reckon?

[00:47:21] Stephen Fenech: I absolutely agree. I saw this in New York when I went to the HP event in, uh, back in March. Wasn't released yet, was just, just announced. But it's basically— looks like a keyboard, but under the keys is the computer.

[00:47:34] Trevor Long: Yeah, so in the back of the keyboard is just 2 USB-C ports. Yeah, one of them you plug a monitor into.

[00:47:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it can have up to 4 monitors.

[00:47:41] Trevor Long: That's crazy.

[00:47:42] Stephen Fenech: But you know what, what impresses me though is this isn't a consumer PC, this is an enterprise.

[00:47:47] Trevor Long: This is the kind of thing businesses can just put on desks.

[00:47:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, and even— and you know how some businesses have hybrid setups? That worker can— that employee can put it in a little bag and take it home. Yeah, it's their desk or in their locker.

[00:47:59] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah.

[00:48:00] Stephen Fenech: So I can take it with them.

[00:48:01] Trevor Long: It's, it's their literal desktop computer. Now, to be clear, it's $2,685, right?

[00:48:05] Stephen Fenech: It's an enterprise-grade machine though.

[00:48:07] Trevor Long: It's an enterprise-grade machine. It means— so the reason this is an important device is because, yes, uh, enterprises could buy everyone a laptop for that price, right?

[00:48:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:48:16] Trevor Long: But laptops, uh, you know, have a screen. There's a lot of other points of failure potentially. Also, you can have bigger screens by default at every desk.

[00:48:23] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:48:23] Trevor Long: And so, like I say, it's really easy. You just turn up, open your locker, grab your coffee cup and your keyboard, and you sit down.

[00:48:29] Stephen Fenech: And then your keyboard is your computer.

[00:48:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, so plug in— so there's basically power and, and monitor plugged in and you're done.

[00:48:36] Stephen Fenech: I, I don't know why they— I know it's a— this is an enterprise computer, but why, why isn't there a consumer version for this? I reckon that'd be really, really handy. I just— you think about it, right? People want to update their desktop computers. Yeah, they've already got a monitor. Yeah, just upgrade the computer.

[00:48:50] Trevor Long: Yeah, and you get a new keyboard. Yeah, I mean, and does the mouse come with it?

[00:48:54] Stephen Fenech: I'm assuming it does.

[00:48:55] Trevor Long: I think it might.

[00:48:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it's in the pictures.

[00:48:56] Trevor Long: In the pictures.

[00:48:57] Stephen Fenech: So you'd assume you've got a wireless mouse.

[00:48:59] Trevor Long: It's a fascinating form factor, no doubt. I don't know how you convince a home user to buy it when they're probably better off buying just a smaller NUC computer or something.

[00:49:08] Stephen Fenech: Um, yeah, I mean, this day and age, frankly, you buy the NUC computer, you still need a keyboard with it though. Yeah, they might already have that. Yeah, I think it's the ease of deployment. That's probably why they, they pulled the enterprise lever first, is that like, this is like an IT department can deploy this across, across a business.

[00:49:25] Trevor Long: And by the way, you can get an optional battery unit that means you can have 3.5 hours usage without power.

[00:49:31] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:49:32] Trevor Long: Which for an enterprise-grade solution also ensures UPS.

[00:49:36] Stephen Fenech: So you've got— it just works.

[00:49:38] Trevor Long: Yeah, that is, that is true. It's a very cool product. I mean, it's—

[00:49:42] Stephen Fenech: and you know what, still there's a picture with, uh, just a hand holding it. That's not my hand or your hand, but it's a supplied image.

[00:49:49] Trevor Long: How do you know I didn't hand model for them?

[00:49:50] Stephen Fenech: Um, And it's quite—

[00:49:52] Trevor Long: it's not as— I do have a dangerous hands, but that's not my hand. Let me just check.

[00:49:57] Stephen Fenech: No, I, I've noticed that it's not too thick. It's actually not too bulky at all.

[00:50:02] Trevor Long: It doesn't look any much bulkier, but it does at the back. It's got a grill on it for thermal cooling as well. It does, because it's a computer.

[00:50:08] Stephen Fenech: And it comes with a little sleeve as well. You put in a sleeve when you're not using it. I mean, I love it.

[00:50:13] Trevor Long: I love the idea of it. I love the simplicity of it.

[00:50:16] Stephen Fenech: Um, there's also speakers built in and dual microphones. Crazy. But no webcam, that'll be in your monitor.

[00:50:22] Trevor Long: That'd be weird.

[00:50:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah.

[00:50:24] Trevor Long: But, um, yeah, I guess—

[00:50:26] Stephen Fenech: what was that computer? Was it, was it Huawei that had the little camera that pops up out of the key? Huawei, is it in the middle of the key there? Yeah, it just looks up your nose.

[00:50:34] Trevor Long: It's real nostril shots, that's all.

[00:50:35] Stephen Fenech: That's what I said, it looks up.

[00:50:36] Trevor Long: That was the biggest feedback for that from us, wasn't it?

[00:50:39] Stephen Fenech: Great, great nasal views.

[00:50:40] Trevor Long: I don't know, it's, uh, look, it's a, it's a cool idea. It's, it's an interesting thing for enterprises to consider, and if you work in IT and enterprise, it's probably, yeah, worth having a—

[00:50:50] Stephen Fenech: I think they're looking for like a low maintenance solution, you know, service and maintenance, low, low, easy servicing, low maintenance across a business.

[00:50:58] Trevor Long: Not a bad way.

[00:50:59] Stephen Fenech: It could be the way to do it. All right, and maybe, and maybe they'll come down to a consumer version after they've got all the bugs out, you know.

[00:51:04] Trevor Long: Well, I think it's more about just it's, it's, it's so compact, it's kind of— everything's more condensed than even in—

[00:51:09] Stephen Fenech: I tell you, I'd love to use that in my Astro shed. Yeah, so I could just say I've got a nut computer in there now. But I've got a keyboard, separate mouse. Imagine if all in one, I should just put a keyboard down, plug it in, got a mouse already done. So much easier.

[00:51:25] Trevor Long: Look at you angling for a $2,500 keyboard. Hey honey, I just bought a new keyboard.

[00:51:30] Stephen Fenech: Oh good, good, good. Yeah, $1,700.

[00:51:32] Trevor Long: Yeah, no, it's just a keyboard. Yeah, it's the keyboard. Yeah, you know where else it'd be good? Here's HP's idea. Yeah, uh, incorporate into it that wireless MirrorLink, uh, you know, just for technology.

[00:51:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, like mirror.

[00:51:47] Trevor Long: Yeah, sit it there and go boom, we got the— because a lot of people still like having the computer on Bluetooth, a keyboard to a TV. No, because it's the, it's the screen you need.

[00:51:57] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, of course, the monitor.

[00:51:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, of course. But you know, being able to just open up the browser, which is also great for enterprises. Yeah, because in, in boardrooms and things, great way to present.

[00:52:06] Stephen Fenech: Wow, that's true. How do we know I can't already do that?

[00:52:09] Trevor Long: Listen, this is the third amazing— well, because they talk about USB-C plugging in a monitor. Yeah, okay, this is 3 big ideas in one show.

[00:52:15] Stephen Fenech: We need to calm down.

[00:52:16] Trevor Long: We need to calm down.

[00:52:19] Stephen Fenech: These are ideas that could set us up for the rest of our life.

[00:52:21] Trevor Long: We need to— we need to— can you remind me later? Can you text me? The title for this show is The Ideas Day.

[00:52:26] Stephen Fenech: The Ideas—

[00:52:26] Trevor Long: The Ideas Man. Yeah, there we are.

[00:52:29] Stephen Fenech: You're an idea man. You're an ideas man.

[00:52:30] Trevor Long: We could start a new podcast just called The Ideas Man.

[00:52:32] Stephen Fenech: The Ideas Man.

[00:52:33] Trevor Long: We'd have to come up with a lot of ideas. A lot of pressure. A podcast just about ideas is a lot of pressure to come up with ideas.

[00:52:39] Stephen Fenech: Exactly. Ideas for the show about ideas.

[00:52:42] Trevor Long: We struggle to come up with a show.

[00:52:43] Stephen Fenech: Ideas for ideas. Yeah, that's it, mate.

[00:52:45] Trevor Long: Have you got any ideas this week, mate? We're going to need them.

[00:52:46] Stephen Fenech: I've got no idea.

[00:52:47] Trevor Long: Who could sponsor an ideas show?

[00:52:48] Stephen Fenech: I'll say I've got no idea.

[00:52:49] Trevor Long: I've got a plan. Does anyone know anyone that works at Notion? It's a web application that allows you to plan your day and stuff. Yeah, we put your ideas— no, Victoria does that big time for all of it.

[00:53:00] Stephen Fenech: Like Notion, is that what— is that what I call Monday? Is that the same thing?

[00:53:03] Trevor Long: Similar, yes. Yeah, is that what I'm saying?

[00:53:05] Stephen Fenech: Is it like Atlassian products like that?

[00:53:06] Trevor Long: I think so, yes. Yeah. And so, you know, she— when Victoria opens a computer, her browser homepage is like a planner. What's on this week, what she's working on. It's unbelievable. Like, she's so smart. I wish, I wish my life was like that. Yeah, but that's who we need. Maybe we hit up Atlassian. Yeah, well, I've got a bit of cash.

[00:53:23] Stephen Fenech: Mike Cannon-Brookes is on the Souths board. He's a Souths owner, co-owner.

[00:53:26] Trevor Long: Yeah, I can, I can I'm not sure I haven't bagged him at some point.

[00:53:31] Stephen Fenech: Well, he won't know. It could be true. Bag him in the comments. What'd you do?

[00:53:34] Trevor Long: No, not the comments. Anyway, so I think we're okay. Yeah. Anyway, hi Mike.

[00:53:40] Stephen Fenech: Uh, yeah, go the Rabidus.

[00:53:42] Trevor Long: Hey buddy, love Solar, big fan. Um, I am actually, so we're all good, bro. Um, anyway, uh, there's the, the two blokes talking ideas. No, we just call it the Ideas Men.

[00:53:51] Stephen Fenech: Or two blokes talking ideas. Honestly, that every week.

[00:53:54] Trevor Long: It's not going to happen.

[00:53:54] Stephen Fenech: The Ideas Men.

[00:53:55] Trevor Long: Just to be clear, folks, there's no new podcast coming because there's no way I can sell that unless they sponsor the heck out of it. This is, you know what, it's a segment. The Ideas Man is a segment within Two Blokes Talking Tech. All right, okay. And you've just heard 3 of them, folks. The government, the triple zero thing. What was the second one?

[00:54:13] Stephen Fenech: Uh, was the triple zero, the other one was OzAlert, how you can improve it, was it?

[00:54:20] Trevor Long: Or no, I don't think it was. It was just seconds ago.

[00:54:24] Stephen Fenech: Holy hell. Yeah, uh, and with the keyboard connecting to the TV. Yeah, that's the first one.

[00:54:30] Trevor Long: Yeah, what's the second one anyway? Moving on. All right, Two Blokes Talking Tech, we're the ideas men, folks. Um, uh, Daniel from ESPN did a great review in the last week of the Uniden Solo X2K 4G Pro Kit motion tracking security camera. Brad, I love you, buddy, but can we work on the names? Uh, just let's simplify it all, okay? Uniden AppCam, uh, let's just call it the Uni-Dyn 4G security camera. Anyway, Daniel, for all his sins, has obviously saved the money to buy a rural property. Now this is not a— there's not a farm, it's not— there's no farmyard, there's no house, it's just a bloody big problem.

[00:55:08] Stephen Fenech: This on his property, you put this?

[00:55:09] Trevor Long: Yeah. And so he's—

[00:55:10] Stephen Fenech: so he's already got this property, but we've got it taken.

[00:55:12] Trevor Long: The Uni-Dyn Solo X2K 4G ProMotion tracking security camera, he's screwed it into a tree. Now it comes with a solar panel. So first and foremost, you're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, this thing's always got power, right? Boom, done. Then in the back of this thing, you're thinking, well, where's the Wi-Fi? This thing's got a 4G SIM card, right? Not the first time I've seen this in a camera. Arlo's done this before. We've seen the Arlo Go was what it was called. UniDen's had it before. But the thing about this one is it's tracking camera, so you can pan and tilt it through the app. Wow. Now to be clear, Daniel tested it. There's a few, you know, misses on the AI smart tracking. It thought there was a person detected. It was a it was a kangaroo. I thought there was a fire, it was some headlights from a car. Oops. But you know what, the idea of having— so I think about this for holiday homes, rural properties like Daniel's, building sites, to be able to get a lot of ramps where you could store your— was it boat, boat somethings? I don't know, we're not boaties. Yeah, but imagine getting alerts even though there's no Wi-Fi where you— where this camera is.

[00:56:13] Stephen Fenech: Great. And what's remarkable, it's got a massive battery, a 10,400 milliamp-hour battery. And it's just continually topped up with the 8-watt solar panel. And so it's a set and forget thing.

[00:56:23] Trevor Long: You could, you could never need to go back to this and you still have monitoring and alerts.

[00:56:29] Stephen Fenech: That's cool.

[00:56:30] Trevor Long: So full pan and tilt up to 350 degrees. So it means you can look around anywhere. I think the videos look pretty good given, you know, what you're dealing with here. And mate, it's a good app. The, the Uniini app is excellent. So the idea of monitoring anything, anywhere, anytime without Wi-Fi or power—

[00:56:48] Stephen Fenech: yeah, that's important.

[00:56:49] Trevor Long: It's huge. Yeah, huge.

[00:56:51] Stephen Fenech: Yes, very good. Data SIM, that's all it does.

[00:56:54] Trevor Long: And super easy to set up too, by the way. Yeah, like so easy to set up. Just, it's as easy as setting up a camera in your home.

[00:57:00] Stephen Fenech: It's weatherproof and can handle everything outdoors, of course.

[00:57:02] Trevor Long: So, and you know, you can, you can get the alerts and, and look at the local footage, but you can also sign up for cloud plans. And their cloud plans, by the way, A year cloud is $29.90. Like, it's really super affordable cloud as well. We're getting a bit of cloud.

[00:57:15] Stephen Fenech: If you don't want cloud, you get this— is it, you say, this microSD card slot?

[00:57:18] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you look at the photos Daniel put up, there's an SD card slot next to the 4G SIM card slot.

[00:57:24] Stephen Fenech: There she blows.

[00:57:25] Trevor Long: And the best thing is, uh, not a, not a crazy shameless plug, but where Daniel's— this property is out, uh, he lives out at Queenbeyan. It's down near Cooma. Um, wow. He put a Vodafone SIM in it, coverage. Oh yeah, middle of absolute nowhere.

[00:57:39] Stephen Fenech: Hasn't Vodafone like doubled their coverage? Yeah, because of the regional areas partnership with Optus.

[00:57:43] Trevor Long: Yeah, well, so he was super surprised by that. He thought he'd have to go and get it.

[00:57:46] Stephen Fenech: I saw it on the radio this week about Vodafone, how they've done a lot of work in the regional areas. He is— oh, I think it was like someone I was chatting with, Aubrey Radio, they said, I don't see many Vodafone stores around. So, well, it's funny that because they did a lot of work to really improve their regional coverage, but also a store Yeah, he's a bit old school when you can go to a service station and grab a SIM card. Yeah, true. Yeah, I guess so.

[00:58:07] Trevor Long: And also the, the cost and labor intensiveness of having a store and staff and rent may not pay off in the regions, but the fact is you can walk into a servo and get a SIM card for bloody anyone because they've done a lot of ads around it, haven't they? Well, it's their big, it's their big thing, you know. Now with the, with the updated coverage maps, um, and, and Telstra's kind of downgrading the coverage maps It's, uh, it's a good time for Vodafone and Optus.

[00:58:31] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely.

[00:58:32] Trevor Long: So there is—

[00:58:33] Stephen Fenech: absolutely.

[00:58:33] Trevor Long: So you can read about, you can see Daniel's photos and review up at eftm.com of the Uniden X2K 4G Pro something motion tracking smooth excellent camera.

[00:58:42] Stephen Fenech: I can see the pictures of his property there.

[00:58:44] Trevor Long: Well, it's a big job. Yeah, it's huge. Wow. Like, it's where you— it would be another option for our rural trip.

[00:58:49] Stephen Fenech: Oh, okay, we'll drop in.

[00:58:51] Trevor Long: Hey, we just can't have to go camping though, so let's, let's stick with parks. Yeah, two blokes talking, uh, The Dish. That's coming up in a few.

[00:58:58] Stephen Fenech: Coming up on the, uh, the best movies you've never seen.

[00:59:01] Trevor Long: Yeah, looking forward to it.

[00:59:02] Stephen Fenech: As am I, mate. All right, is that enough now? We hit that hour yet?

[00:59:08] Trevor Long: Is— so there you go, folks. Uh, Stephen loves you so much. Is that enough?

[00:59:11] Stephen Fenech: Is that enough? Look, are you not insane? What movie is that from?

[00:59:16] Trevor Long: Gladiator. We haven't watched it.

[00:59:18] Stephen Fenech: I know we haven't, but that's the famous line.

[00:59:21] Trevor Long: You cannot put me on the spot. You might— you could put me on the spot for a movie.

[00:59:24] Stephen Fenech: We're gonna do it.

[00:59:24] Trevor Long: We're gonna do that this Yeah, for sure, Gladiator.

[00:59:27] Stephen Fenech: But that's a famous line. He goes, "Are you not entertained?" Can we do it?

[00:59:30] Trevor Long: I'd like to do it.

[00:59:31] Stephen Fenech: We'll do it, mate. It's on the list, don't worry. We'll do it soon.

[00:59:34] Trevor Long: Don't make me bring back that Claude list of what you've said.

[00:59:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, okay, we'll get around to it.

[00:59:41] Trevor Long: All right, Stephen, thanks for your company, folks, uh, here. Uh, thanks to Mercedes for the beautiful accommodation, even though it had nothing to do with this podcast. Uh, but if you are interested in, in cars, we're Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars is available every Monday morning at 5 o'clock in this very feed. The fact that you are hearing that for the first time blows my mind. So I know you already know about it and you're a big— you're all big supporters of all our shows. Of course, I know the ratings in order. Monday morning, 1 through 6. I know the numbers of the most popular.

[01:00:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so Tech Guys number 1, and then what else?

[01:00:09] Trevor Long: Is this a reverse grid? No, we love, we love all our babies, but Two Blokes Talking Tech is our favorite child, no question. Okay, there's a little bit of love for the for the Electric Car Podcast. A little bit of love. I love it, it's my favorite.

[01:00:26] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you mean for yourself or our listeners?

[01:00:27] Trevor Long: Yeah, I'm just talking about me now. I'm talking about us, I'm talking about the popularity of the show. Yeah, I was too, but I didn't want to have to degrade you by going into that detail.

[01:00:35] Stephen Fenech: I wouldn't feel insulted, but I'm confident in my audience. They're, they're very regular, you know, they get in there every week.

[01:00:44] Trevor Long: All right, see you next week, folks.

[01:00:46] Stephen Fenech: See you guys.

[01:00:47] Trevor Long: Private feed tomorrow, no video this week. Sorry, folks, but sorry, we couldn't be asked.

[01:00:50] Stephen Fenech: All Trevor's fault. I asked for it, but they didn't want to do it.

[01:00:54] Trevor Long: Yeah, he made me bring everything anyway.

[01:00:56] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, see ya.