The EFTM podcast – Motorola on the folding phone market and your calls on all things tech!

Motorola on the folding phone market and your calls on all things tech!

Podcast: The EFTM Podcast
Date: 13 October 2026
Host: Trevor Long
Guest: Praveena Raman, Motorola Australia
Callers: Martin, Bob, Bruce

---

[00:00:03] VOICE OVER: The EFTM podcast. Talkback technology. Got a question about tech? Trev’s here to help. Not sure what to buy? Ask Trev. Australia’s number one talkback technology podcast.

[00:00:33] VOICE OVER: Join the conversation. Head to eftm.com and click Ask Trev. Helping Australians with tech questions for over 15 years, the EFTM podcast with Trevor Long.

[00:00:44] VOICE OVER: Real Australians, real questions, every week.

[00:00:50] VOICE OVER: You can text Trev now thanks to Vodafone on 0477 657 657.

[00:01:10] Trevor: G’day, g’day! Great to have your company on the EFTM podcast. Thank you for listening, thank you for downloading. Feel free to tell your friends, otherwise it’s not a secret, folks, come on. Uh, we’re going to take your calls as always, uh, this week on the EFTM podcast. We’d love to hear from you. You just heard Dixie tell you how to do it, but yeah, send me a text, 0477 657 657.

[00:01:33] Trevor: Producer Rob’s going on holidays, but, um, Um, we’ll still coordinate somehow.

[00:01:38] Trevor: I don’t know, we’ll work it out. Let’s be honest, we’ll work it out. Uh, 0477 657 657. We’re going to talk Motorola smartphones today, uh, with Praveena Rahman from Motorola Australia. And I want to know whether or not— well, whether or not we have to dance around the words Apple and Duo. Uh, but the foldable market, I mean, it’s huge, right? And, you know, I want to understand it from Motorola Australia’s perspective. I, you know, they’re a small player here when you compare them to Samsung and Apple. You just can’t deny that. But we’re very different in Australia to pretty much every other market. This is a strong, strong brand in a range of other markets. They do well here, obviously, but it’s still interesting to see, you know, how the market compares and, and what they’re up to. So we’ll get to that. We’ll help you with your questions about everything from following up other callers to setting up a new house and different things. But I am, I’m happy to say I’m relaxed, not just because I’m back, but because I finished the magazine. I think, you know what, it’s exactly like school, isn’t it? At school I was a, yeah, the exam’s not for a week, or the assignment’s not due for a week, I’ll get to it in a week. I was a last-minute Larry kind of guy, and now that may not produce the best results But see, a lot of the holiday, that last week or two of the holiday, I’m like, geez, I’m struggling. And I would open the laptop, I’d try and do something on the magazine, I’d be like, I’m on holidays. And I’d look at the pages and I go, that’ll be easy, that’ll be easy, that’ll be easy, just got to do that. Uh, and it worked out okay. I, uh, I sent the first draft off to, uh, Matt the sub-editor and to Rob and Dan and Scott, the boys, to have a look at yesterday. And Rob was shocked, shocked by the lack of spelling mistakes. Matt has literally just replied saying there are no spelling mistakes and just had some formatting queries. And here’s the thing, that’s because of AI. That’s— isn’t that remarkable? So I thought about, I thought, okay, what can Claude do here? And so this has been a fascinating couple of days. I download a print-ready version of this file. I send it to Claude and I say, okay, feedback, da da da da. Now it’s kind of interesting because its first feedback was a little bit too, shall I say, editorial, not sub-edit-ish. Maybe sub-editors do more editorial work, but it was like, have you checked this price? Have you done this? I’m like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don’t question me. Just check my spelling, right? So I had to basically tell it to go back to basics and say, listen, can you just fix the spelling mistakes? And what I needed to do is list them all for me, and then I need to go in and adjust them all. So it would say page 3, do this, this, and this, and I would then go and adjust all that. I had a bit of a drama because there was open bracket, close bracket issues, the type of inverted commas in like different styles of them. And at one point I ended up with the wrong direction inverted commas. Oh, it was a nightmare, but I fixed it. And so I got that through and I said, I’ve just said to Matt, by the way, I said the number one feedback he had for me last year was found by Claude. It came through and it said, across the whole magazine, remove the double spaces after full stops. They’re everywhere. It had that in italics. They’re everywhere in italics. It was crazy because I must have this default. That’s how I was taught to type. Full stop, double space, get going with your sentence again. When did that change, folks? When did that change? Anyway, so I got it to a point and Rob said the same thing, you know, and he admitted he could tell that I’d used AI and so did Matt just now. He’s just admitted that he could tell I’d used AI. But I was talking about this on the Today Show on the weekend about, you know, how AI is used in schools. And this was before I even had this experience. You know, we all grew up with computers and a little squiggly line underneath the word that we spelt wrong. But what you want is you want AI to talk to you about it. So what I want is to talk to my kids about, you keep doing this, here’s what you need to learn. Or you keep doing that, is this why? And I think that’s the power of AI in this context. But then it got even more crazy. So I’ve got a trial of OpenAI’s DALL·E. So OpenAI, obviously ChatGPT. Their Dot is like an agent, and it’s even more than an agent, it’s its own computer. So I set it up and I thought, I don’t know what I can use this for, like what am I gonna use this for? And I called it Darren. Now, Seinfeld fans might know who Darren is, but anyway, I’ve recruited him after he was told to be going away for a very long time. And I gave it access to my email, my calendar, my Dropbox, and whatever else I thought was relevant, my Canva. Was it another connection I could make? And then I said to it, I said, check the magazine. And it came back with suggestions that Claude had not made. They were not mistakes. There was a few things like I’d called the Gamesman a family-owned games and toy retailer. It said the family-owned should be a dash, family-owned. Same with a couple others. I had resale, re-sale, it changed it to just resale. But here’s where it got interesting. It listed them all for me. Okay, so there was, I don’t know, 15 different changes like that. So just a capitalization or a dash. And I said, make these changes, and I pasted back its suggestions, and it went into Canva and made the changes. That’s wild. I didn’t feel comfortable letting it do much more because I didn’t— I want to know where the changes are and what it was doing. But it was wild. It sent back a picture of the page with the change in it and then said, is this cool? I’ll make the change. And I said, yeah, make the change. So then I said, leaving aside the magazine for now, come back to that, look in my inbox over recent months Can you suggest anything you can help with? So I had a look and it came back and said, oh, there’s a couple of subscriptions that are overlapping, you want me to check that? Um, producer Rob will love this. It said, take podcast caller preparation off your plate. Uh, and it talked about an email that I’d had with Rob, and basically it’s trying to stitch up Rob here. Anyway, it’s not going to take that because it’s not that easy. Um, it asked me whether it wanted to reconcile some travel that had been discussed and reconcile it with my calendar. Interesting. It noticed that I had a Today Show segment overlapping some travel, drew that to my attention. I would never ask it to fix that for me because that’s a problem for me to sort out. It noticed an email about something important to me that I will really, really get to, and I thought that was interesting. It noticed an email about my business insurance renewal. I said, okay, that’s interesting. And I said, listen, have a look at that website issue and have a look at the insurance issue and explain them to me. So it came back and explained what had changed in the insurance premium. Nothing I can do about it. Happy days, good. And then I said, dig into the site issue. And it’s used its virtual computer, which you can see it doing, and it’s logged onto this site. It’s done all this and it’s worked out that I’ve hit a limit. And it said, you want me to change the number of, pages that it crawls, and I can do that for you. Done, done. Like, it’s out there doing things for me on the web. Now, this is just scratching the surface, folks. And I, I don’t believe that I’m the right person for this kind of assistant, but I can see other people being blown away by this. And I’ll give you another great example of AI. We have a blocked drain. So our sewage drain has a tree root growing through it. And we know this, it’s happened before. We’ve had the toilet paper fuzzing up on the front lawn. It’s not a great sight, but it, you know, life goes on. And we’ve gotta spend thousands of dollars fixing it. We’re not ready to do that right now. So we’re just gonna every 6 months call the plumber and get it out. Anyway, so we ring the plumber and these are people we know very well, good friends of ours. And I’m like, who’s Amanda talking to? And there’s a person on the phone. They’re asking questions. And I went, that’s not Belinda. They’ve got an AI voice assistant answering the call. Now, it asked reasonable questions about the problem. Its follow-up questions were in context of Amanda’s answers, to the point where it said, “Listen, this can wait till Monday. We’ll get someone to call you.” And when we did actually speak to the plumber, he said, “Listen, just do this and this. It can wait till Monday. You don’t wanna pay the Sunday call-out rate.” I was blown away by how real, how Australian, and how authentic and how knowledgeable that AI system was. So if you’re a company, small business, tradie that accepts phone calls from people, it’s absolutely genuinely possible that AI could be taking those calls and triaging those calls for you so that when you do get contact, it is more meaningful. So I am going to do something with AI. If I can work it out, I’m just going to work out whether we can do it or not, is I’m going to play around with some online advertising. Because those most savvy among you will have noticed that even before the magazine comes out, the magazine giveaway is currently listed in the EFTM app. And I’ll tell you right here, folks, we’re giving away a car. We’re giving away an electric car. I’ve secured a BYD Atto 1. Right, hasn’t arrived yet. It’s coming on a ship in mid-November, but I’ve bought an Atto 1. I’m going to give it away. That’s awesome. I’m excited. And I do want to do a little bit of advertising around. I want to drive numbers to the app. I want to drive some engagement, yada yada yada. And I think that maybe running some Facebook, Instagram ads could work for that. I’ll do a video, have it send it out. I don’t know. I need someone, and in this case it’d be an AI, to determine the audience and the rate and all that kind of stuff. I want to give it a budget and say, over the course of the next month, I want you to do this. I want you to hit targets. So once I’m— now I’m close to sending to print. I’ve got a bit of travel coming up, and once I’m back from that, I think I’m gonna lean into that. Because I think if anything where my business suffers or struggles is growth. We have an unbelievable community. It’s amazing. I love my audience here on the podcast. I love the Man Cave. I love the group. I love the community that we’ve built. But I always question whether or not it could be bigger. Now, does everyone who engages in EFTM join the community, be part of the genuine community? No. But does everyone that, you know, reads a bit of content, could they be someone who’ll download the app? Could they be someone who’ll enter the comp? Could they be someone who’ll call up and ask Trev? That’s what we want to grow. So yeah, that’s what I’m thinking about, thinking how I can play with that. And so that’ll be my little end-of-year experiment. But yeah, AI is starting to blow my mind. It really is. And I think that if you’re in business and you’re not playing with it, you’re mad. Absolutely mad. And yeah, we’re giving away a car, baby. It’s happening.

[00:13:41] VOICE OVER: This is the EFTM Podcast.

Martin — Laptop, farm cameras and weather stations for the new place

[00:13:47] Trevor: Get in touch if you want to get in, uh, in the queue and have a chat about technology in your life. Would love to try and help you out wherever I can. Martin’s on the line. G’day, Martin.

[00:13:54] Martin: How you going, Trev?

[00:13:55] Trevor: Hey, really good. You’re looking for some more advice on little things around the new place?

[00:14:01] Martin: Yes, mate. Yes. Yeah, we move in at the end of this month and a couple of things I want some advice on. And I suppose the first one is a PC, you know, with this new world and companies not wanting you to use your company device for personal stuff and all that sort of thing. So I thought I’d get a PC, but mate, I haven’t owned a PC for a long time. Yeah.

[00:14:29] Trevor: So you’re a Mac— you’re not a Mac guy, you’re a PC guy. Yeah.

[00:14:33] Martin: Well, Janine’s an Apple girl, but I’ve been on a PC forever. I’ve never had a Mac. So yeah.

[00:14:43] Trevor: Do you want a laptop or you want to like a fixed desktop solution?

[00:14:48] Martin: No, no, no. I want a laptop.

[00:14:50] Trevor: Yeah, definitely.

[00:14:51] Martin: Yeah, yeah. I want a laptop. I don’t need to have the latest and the greatest, but I want something that’s going to be able to store everything and It’ll be emails, it’ll be the farm stuff on there and personal information, et cetera. Yeah.

[00:15:04] Trevor: What’s the most intensive thing you reckon you do with it? Like, is there software that you run? Is there anything you do other than just web-based, you know, basic functionality and documents?

[00:15:14] Martin: Web-based 365. Nothing too complicated, mate. No, no, there’s nothing too complicated at all.

[00:15:21] Trevor: Yeah. Well, mate, then you definitely don’t need to be spending big bucks either. Did you have a budget in mind?

[00:15:26] Martin: No, no, not really. I didn’t, I didn’t know. I didn’t, don’t even know what they were.

[00:15:30] Trevor: Well, here’s the thing. You walk into a JB’s or you go online, you can spend $300 on a laptop. But let’s be very clear, that’s certainly entry level. It’ll bug you because it takes long just for the web to load up, just stuff like that, right? Then you can spend $3,000 and get something quite amazing. But I think the sweet spot for you is probably right in the middle. It’s that $1,000 to $1,500. You might end up pushing yourself to $1,900, but basically that’s the zone you want. You definitely want to be spending more than $1,000. The things you want to look for are the— there’s 3 key things to a laptop is firstly, do you like the feel, the size, and the weight of it? Because especially if you’re going to carry it around, you want to go and actually feel it. So pop into a Harvey’s or JB’s and feel a few because like you don’t want something too big. You don’t want a 16-inch thing because that’s huge and it’s heavy. And I did that. I just took a 16-inch laptop on a holiday and you know what, I regretted the backpack being so heavy on every single flight we took. But in the end, that was a choice I made because I wanted to be able to work a little bit here and there. So I think a 14-inch is the right size. I think brand-wise there isn’t really a bad brand out there these days, which is good. You can’t get a bad laptop, but ASUS, HP, and Lenovo would be the big three. Big fan of what HP and ASUS are doing right now in that very price point. So you’re going to do well there. And then you mentioned storage. Are you worried about filling it up like storage-wise?

[00:16:54] Martin: No, no, not really. I suppose I’ve always been recommended that you have an external storage device anyway. So so you back stuff up. So, so, um, that’s what I probably do.

[00:17:06] Trevor: Keep that theory, it’s gonna serve you well because then you never know what happens with these things. So a couple, couple that I’d advise: the HP OmniBook 5.

[00:17:15] Martin: Yep.

[00:17:15] Trevor: Um, it comes in a bunch of different iterations, but like I’m looking at one now, it’s about $1,500. Great price, great, great device. HP OmniBook 5. I’m trying to find— here it is— the ASUS ZenBook A14. So if you remember, ASUS and A14 made this thing. I think last year I gave this laptop of the year. It’s beautiful. Like, yeah, and I know it sounds stupid, but you don’t want something that looks cheap and feels cheap. This thing feels robust. It feels like you’ve spent your money, but it’s also powerful and does all the things you’re going to need, right? So it’s got an OLED screen. So even when you do take it away and you’re watching Netflix or something, beautiful.

[00:17:53] Martin: So yeah, maybe that’s the sort of thing we do in the caravan as well, after watching Netflix.

[00:17:57] Trevor: Yep. So ASUS ZenBook A14 or HP Omnibook 5. Have a look at those two, see what you can do in terms of driving a good deal on them. I reckon you’ll get away $1,500 or less.

[00:18:07] Martin: Perfect.

[00:18:08] Trevor: All right, that’s your laptop sorted. What’s next on the list?

[00:18:12] Martin: Cameras. Now, because we’re 6-7 k’s out of town, I’d like to have something at the front gate and probably something overlooking the house and the sheds, but probably 2 or 3 cameras at the most. But there’s so much choice, it just makes my head hurt when I, when I look at them.

[00:18:29] Trevor: So what’s the What’s the distance for that gate to the house? You’ve almost got Wi-Fi by the house.

[00:18:35] Martin: 150 meters.

[00:18:36] Trevor: Okay, so you are going to need something out, not the standard, I would argue. Only because you don’t, like, the last thing you want is for Wi-Fi to be patchy when there’s someone standing at the gate whose dodgy as all hell. So I’m not loath to recommend them, but I’m just a bit cautious. Jay Swan, S-W-A-N-N, They have an unbelievably perfect product for this. That just— the company’s been through a little bit of weird stuff over the last year or so. So look, worst case scenario, they get bought out or something like that. But they have a thing called the Max Ranger. Now this thing will do— I sent this to my brother out in Leeton and he, I think he did it at 300 meters or 500 meters. Perfect. Because what it does, Marty, it comes with a separate box. Think of it like a router that plugs into your Wi-Fi and then that’s the box that the cameras communicate with. And it’s got this Essentially, it’s unique Wi-Fi technology that it communicates directly with the cameras through. So you can get this literal 300+ meter range. The little cameras have solar panels built into the top of them, so you never need to touch the bloody things. You can put one on the shed, on the house, at the front gate. I think you’ll find they come in packs of 4 or 6, so, you know, you’re talking $1,600 for the 6-pack. Which per camera is not actually bad money. If you filter those around the house, you’ve got one app with all your notifications, with everything you need happening in it. I reckon that’s probably the way to go. Don’t get the Max Ranger Mini, get the Max Ranger 4K Solar.

[00:20:17] Martin: Solar, righto. Excellent, excellent. And, and so if I’m away camping, um, and, uh, I’ll get an alert if someone comes to the front gate. Perfect.

[00:20:25] Trevor: Exactly. And, and they’ve got lights on them that you can kind of turn on. You can do two-way talk, you know, you nick off kind of thing. But mate, the number one thing about cameras is it is that deterrent factor. So putting one on the front gate and, you know, especially in the evening time, has like a little floodlighty thing, not an actual floodlight, but a little light that comes on. You know, sketchy characters are going to go, ah, it’s not worth the hassle, I’ll go to the next place.

[00:20:47] Martin: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. No, mate, excellent. And I think the last one I said was, do you know much about rain gauges and weather stations?

[00:20:57] Trevor: I don’t, and I’m really annoyed by that because there used to be a product, I can’t remember the name, but there’s actually one still in our backyard which is just sitting there collecting rain, but it doesn’t work. Um, it was so good. It was this fully smart system that connected to apps and all that kind of stuff. I’ve not looked at them since, but the chat— the only thing I’d recommend when you’re searching for them is there’s, there’s two types of smart weather systems. There’s, there’s ones that work as a kind of closed system, so inside the house you get a display and it tells you what’s happening with those you know, your wind sensor and your rain sensor and whatever. That’s fine. But again, when you’re away, what’s happening at home? You’re watching the news, you’re 4 hours drive away in a caravan. You see the news says there’s a, you know, there’s a storm out your way and you’re thinking, geez, what’s happening? You want to actually know right there and then. So what you want is you want to make sure when it’s smart, if it says it’s smart, make sure it’s actually got an app, not just a screen of its own. And to be honest, you want one that maybe integrates the, the smartest systems of any sort. So we just got blinds installed at our joint, and they’re smart, of course. But I said to Amanda, listen, I don’t want them just to have a remote control. That’s not smart. It has to integrate with Alexa or Google. If it doesn’t do those two things, then it’s not properly smart. So, right, I’ll have a little look around, and if I get any feedback from listeners, I will let you know directly. But when you’re researching, just look for weather station that is Alexa or Google compatible, and that’s going to mean that you’ve got the full smarts of the world. And it means that when you’re, when you’re away, you’ll get notifications. And theoretically also when things happen that are smart, and you’ll get, you’ll get there over time, you’ll be like, hang on a minute, what if I had a, you know, porch light that turned on when it was, you know, sunset, or the wind was too high, or whatever? You can do things that integrate together. So at a certain weather event, do certain things, like when the temperature goes above 30 degrees, you know, shut the blinds. Like those two things can work together smart for you. So I don’t have an answer. If I hear from anyone listening, I will let you know. But when you’re researching, look for Alexa and Google.

[00:23:04] Martin: Yeah. Apparently there’s also systems if you buy them now that enable you to link to neighbors and other people as well. So you share the— share your data so you can get an actually whole region suburb and you can sort of map the rainfall where it comes.

[00:23:22] Trevor: So you actually get a lot like having eyes in the sky literally other than the Bureau radar.

[00:23:26] Martin: Yeah, yeah, which is probably better than the Bureau radar.

[00:23:28] Trevor: Probably, yeah, I think we all agree. And it won’t cost $98 million.

[00:23:33] Martin: No, exactly right, exactly right.

[00:23:36] Trevor: All right, good stuff, mate. All right, well, good luck.

[00:23:38] Martin: Beautiful, thank you so much.

[00:23:39] Trevor: I’ll let you know if we hear from anyone about weather stations, mate.

[00:23:41] Martin: Excellent, mate, speak soon.

[00:23:42] Trevor: Good on you, Martin, good to chat. Cheers, mate. Yeah, I used to have these things. It started with N. What was that bloody brand called? Weather Station. Smart Rain Temp. It started with N. Oh man, it’s killing me. And it’s still in my backyard. I was fixing the— I spent some time. It’s one of the things I recommend you do now and then is just go, okay, all my smarts, what have I done? And so with our— I’ve got mainly Arlo cameras around the house, couple others there we’re testing. But I thought, okay, I’ll do the batteries. And so I just go around and I’ve got I’ve got enough batteries that there’s a bunch that are charged as well as the ones that are in the camera. So I go around and I essentially disconnect and put the batteries back in all the cameras so they’re all charged. And as I was doing that, I realized the backyard one was pointing at the ground. I needed to lift it up, and I saw this little rain gauge there thinking, geez, this bloody rain gauge has seen better days for sure. It’s certainly not connected to anything anymore because there was meant to be a hub in the house and stuff like that. But it was cool, and it also— there was an app that showed you temperatures around the city based on real people’s rain gauges and temperature gauges and stuff like that. It was very cool. So I’d love to hear from you if you have advice on that kind of stuff. Um, at the same time, I, um, I did install the new Arlo Essential solar camera. Now I’ll get this review up in the next 2 weeks. I just installed it on the weekend, but it was wild because it’s completely different look. Like, it’s like no other Arlo camera. It’s flat flat. Like, it’s— I don’t know what to describe it as, but it doesn’t look like any other Arlo before it. So it’s this big flat camera which I think could be mounted upright or sideways. You know, I mounted it sideways so the solar panel was facing up. And so I replaced the one that I have on the telegraph pole at the front. And yes, I don’t own the pole. And yes, Ausgrid has said to me, take that camera down. And every time I say that to them, I say, yeah, sure, no worries. It’s never the same person that comes by. But you know what, that pole’s at the front of my house, it’s pointing at my house, and this allows me to see what’s happening on my house. So it’s also a great example of how completely wire-free the system is. So I love having that camera. It’s, it’s a fun little exercise. But yeah, there’s the new Arlo Essential Solar is an all-in-one camera, no separate solar panel required. So pretty cool little product. But yeah, I recommend you take the time one weekend, just put in your diary to go, right, one hour, just go, right. ‘Check all batteries.’ So we take the doorbell off, we charge that, we do all those things, and we get it all done. A little, a little life admin in the, in the smart house.

[00:26:20] VOICE OVER: Helping Australians with tech questions for over 15 years, the EFTN podcast with Trevor Long.

Bob — Apple’s 14-day return policy and try-before-you-commit

[00:26:28] Trevor: Great to have your company and happy to help wherever I can. You know how to get in touch. Bob is on the line. G’day, Bob.

[00:26:33] Bob: G’day Trevor, how are you doing?

[00:26:34] Trevor: Mate, really good, mate. What can I do for you?

[00:26:36] Bob: Um, last week you had a caller, Christine, who’s asked, talking about the, uh, the new Apple phones, and she was pretty interested in both the 18 and the Duo.

[00:26:48] Trevor: That’s right, she was, uh, like, she was using like an iPhone 11 Pro as well, so quite an older phone.

[00:26:54] Bob: Yeah, and it never got to the discussion about the cost, so it seemed like she was definitely interested and already knew how much it was going to cost her. And, and you gave her some, some advice.

[00:27:05] Trevor: I think where we left her was basically that she should go and play with the Duo, uh, and see whether it kind of suited her a little bit.

[00:27:13] Bob: Yeah, well, that was the exact words that got my thinking. And I’m sure you know about this, and probably a lot of your listeners know about— Apple has a policy. It’s a 14-day, no-question-asked return policy.

[00:27:26] Trevor: Very good point. Bob, you are a genius. I always forget about it, mate. And I do know about it because I bought my wife a MacBook Pro 20— I reckon maybe 15, 15-odd years ago for Christmas. And she, she was like, why on earth would you buy me this? That’s so much money. And she took it back. We returned it.

[00:27:44] Bob: Um, well, I did it with— when they came out with the AirPods Pro 2 and I was in the store doing something else and I, I made a comment about, oh, you know, they’re $400, that’s a lot of money to spend. And and never know if I’m going to use them or not. And they said, hold on. And first of all, they let me try them, which I thought was very unusual. And I bought two, a set for me and a set for my wife. And then 4 days later, I took one of them back and got all my money back.

[00:28:15] Trevor: No questions asked.

[00:28:18] Bob: Yeah. And I was thinking, that’s a perfect way to try out the Duo if you really know you’re interested in it and you can afford it.

[00:28:27] Producer: Yeah.

[00:28:27] Trevor: Yeah, I mean, a phone is a strange one ’cause you’ve really gotta go all in for, it’s gonna take you 3 days to get all your apps over and really get set up and using it. But still within 14 days, by the 10th day, you’ve gotta know whether you like it or not.

[00:28:43] Bob: Yep. Yeah, I think it’s a great thing. And the thing is a lot of the larger companies in Australia offer that. Dyson’s a really good example. You can, you can get one of their robot vacuum cleaners and you can have it— I think it’s either 30 days or 45 days return, no questions asked, and they pay the shipping both ways if you buy from them. Yes, interesting. And the other thing that I find which I’m really, uh, interested in is a lot of times you’ll see these big ads from the the big shops saying, you know, sale, low price. And then you go to the actual manufacturer and they’re selling it for the same price.

[00:29:31] Trevor: See, Bob, that’s an interesting one because you think that, um, you do, you think that JB Hi-Fi or Harvey Norman are the ones that are going, oh, we’ll take $100 off the price of this thing, right? But I don’t want to break it to people that don’t know how retail works, but Harvey Norman never loses money. They don’t make decisions to take $100 off. They call the— they call— they have these deals with companies. So they’ll say, and we’ll just pretend here, and I’m not being sure here, but they’ll say to Dyson, you know, next week we’re going to offer this for $600 instead of $700. And Dyson goes, okay. And Dyson will do the same thing because Dyson’s the one that’s lowering their price to Harvey Norman. So the margin stays the same, and Dyson’s the one that doesn’t get the extra money. It’s the same with TVs and the fluctuation in TV prices. Prices. And it doesn’t just occur in one retailer because it’s not one retailer taking the hit, it’s the whole of the retailers and the manufacturer take the hit.

[00:30:27] Bob: Yep.

[00:30:28] Trevor: Well, that’s good advice. I feel like I might need to do a little, um, a little bit of, uh, research and see whether we can find a list of all the best, uh, money-back, no-questions-asked return policies, because it’d make for a great shopping list. We’ve got Apple, we’ve got Dyson, there’ll be others. That might help people, especially in the lead-up to Christmas and different holidays and parties and birthdays and things. Good way to, you know, try something out before you, before you commit to it.

[00:30:56] Bob: Another quick example, um, when the, um, Shox came out with their Open Dots and it was— they just hit the sales and I saw one in one of the major retailers and they were on sale and I went home and I went to the Shox website, exact same price, free shipping, 30-day trial. Wow. And so I ordered them because again, you have no idea if this new feature, you know, the way they, they sit on your ears and everything is going to work. And it worked out great because, you know, I got to try them and I love them.

[00:31:35] Trevor: Yep. It actually worked in their favor. It’s a good point. It actually works in the favor of the company, doesn’t it? Because you’re more likely to want to try it knowing that you can opt out of it.

[00:31:45] Bob: Yeah.

[00:31:47] Trevor: So it probably leads to more sales. Like, you think about that caller last week, Christine, you know, we, we could easily convince her to get the iPhone 18 Pro Max, but she could spend more money with Apple knowing that she can actually just walk away and take it back if she doesn’t love it. So they’re more likely to get that bigger sale. It’s very good policy, Bob. Good on you, mate. Thank you for raising that and reminding me.

[00:32:10] Bob: Okay, and you also made a comment a while back when you were going on one of your trips about you wouldn’t be missed. Well, Trevor, you are missed when you’re away, so, uh, it’s good to have you back.

[00:32:20] Trevor: Thank you, Bob, that means a lot, mate. Thank you. Cheers, mate.

[00:32:23] Bob: Talk soon. Okay, thanks, buddy.

[00:32:25] Trevor: No worries. Good on you. Lovely to hear from you. Um, that’s very nice, Bob. I appreciate you saying that, mate. And, um, it means a lot. It was— yeah, it was a good month away. So, um, if you— if you want to unpack the trip, um, I had a good chat with Stephen about it on the private feed. If you want to go to Two Blokes Talking Tech, we had a bit of fun. I’m I’m sure it’ll come up again in many, many other times. But thank you, Bob, for listening to last week’s callers and giving your feedback. And by the way, also, Vanessa last week, who was emailing and got in touch, we had her on the show about Microsoft Publisher. I have followed that up with Microsoft, they’re looking into it. But there’s been several people who’ve gotten in touch having heard Vanessa’s call. And I just wanna say thank you. That’s the best thing about this show is that there are other people who can help. I don’t have the answers. I don’t have every answer. My web guy Ben, thank you Benny. He told me that you could get Publisher on an Office 365 subscription, which is probably where she had it. But if she buys it outright on a perpetual license in Office 2021, it’ll remain installed. But it won’t be supported. So like, that’s fine. It’ll be a few years before it won’t be compatible with Windows, but that, as Ben says, gives her time to find a new product and work her way out of those documents and things like that. So, um, that, that’s great. And there was, I think there was feedback in the Man Cave as well for Vanessa. So please don’t hesitate to, if you’re screaming at your radio, your headphones going, mate, the answer is this, or you’re like Bob, you go, mate, you should tell her about the 14 days. Tell us. I don’t have every answer. I don’t know everything. And a lot of times I don’t remember everything. So thank you, Ben and others who interacted on Vanessa’s issue. And thank you to Bob for getting his feedback with Christine’s phone question.

[00:34:34] VOICE OVER: Tech, cars, lifestyle. This is the EFTM Podcast with Trevor Long. You can text Trev now, thanks to Vodafone, on 0477 657 657.

Praveena Raman (Motorola Australia) — Foldables, design and the year ahead

[00:34:47] Trevor: Thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Great to have your company. And isn’t it absolutely the year of the foldables? It’s been a weird one because I’ve just literally in the last maybe 24 hours finished writing the EFTM magazine for 2026. Still needs to be edited by someone who can read because I can’t spell. So there’s some work to be done there. But coming up with the themes of the year, the topics of the year was fascinating for me because there’s, there’s a few of them there, but I had to give a couple of pages to foldable smartphones. Now, let’s be very clear, and I’ve said this a lot of times, this is not the first year of foldables. But, you know, for some people they’ll think it is. Just because Apple gets into a market doesn’t mean that it’s a new product. And one company that’s been doing foldables for longer than you probably think is Motorola, and Praveena Raman from Motorola joins me on the line to talk foldables and other things. G’day, Praveena, how you doing?

[00:35:44] Praveena: Good day, Trevor, I’m very well, thank you, and thanks for having me.

[00:35:47] Trevor: Thank you for joining me. I find it fascinating, the Motorola brand. Let’s just talk about where you sit in the market because, you know, such heritage and such a well-known name for Australians, let alone globally. Aussies do know and recognize the Motorola brand, don’t they?

[00:36:05] Praveena: Oh, they absolutely do. We have been— Motorola was actually founded in 1928. This is the 98th year for us in market doing many things. And the heritage is just stellar. Like, you can’t help yourself but feel very proud. And I feel very proud to represent the brand. And the awareness is high in market. Particularly with Android users and particularly male Android users.

[00:36:39] Trevor: And what is it that, that draws them to Motorola when they are in that open-minded— because let’s be clear, there’s a lot of closed-minded buyers in the market. They’re just— they’re in the market because they want to replace what they have, and they’re closed-minded to the, to the broader market. But when someone is open-minded, they’re searching online, they’re researching online, or they’re in a store What is it that you think draws them to Motorola when they’re, you know, really open to a decision?

[00:37:06] Praveena: What really draws our consumers to Motorola is many things that we do differently to others in market. One is straight off the bat is value. We offer value for money across and we have a whole range. We’ve got the Moto Gs, which is our entry and mid-tier. We’ve got Edge, which takes over from Moto G from mid-tier into entry premium, and then we’ve We’ve got our Signature Series and Razr, the iconic Razr. So we’ve got everything for everyone, no matter what price point they’re looking for. And within that price point, it’s, you know, tech and spec is something that’s a given with Motorola, given years of innovation that we’ve had.

[00:37:48] Trevor: Is design something that draws the eye in a store? Because I’ve frankly, I think the last, I’m going to say 3 years, maybe 4, maybe it’s more, but I feel like Motorola has had a shift in the way approached design, both through the choice of colors and the Pantone partnership, the textures, you know, the way your phones feel in the hand is different and I think more premium to many others. And I think that’s a drawcard in store if people take the time to just pick one up.

[00:38:19] Praveena: You are spot on with that. And that’s something that we’ve been doing more of and differentiating lately, even within our own series. CMF, as we call it, Color, Materials and Finish, is like, you It’s basic. It’s inherent to our design philosophy within Motorola. And it’s a premium finish when it comes to texture. A lot of people want to feel the phone, you know, with Motorola phones. We actually advertise you don’t need to have a cover because it just is so fantastic. A cover actually takes away from the texture in the back. We use materials like silk, textile, acetate, Alcantara leather, various other things that goes on on the phone that if consumers are not aware, would know how— would know and feel how good it is, but wouldn’t really know the background and the mechanics and what goes into it. In fact, I was educated recently that we did partnerships way back with Razer V3 in like 2004, 2005 with Dolce& Gabbana. So this is nothing new to us in terms of collaborations with the likes of Pantone or fashion collaborations for the future. It has been there for decades within the Motorola DNA.

[00:39:40] Trevor: And I think that then leads us to that whole concept of being part of the innovation in smartphones. You mentioned the Razr. Now, I’ve been a big fan of the Razr for the last few years now because I love the flip form factor. Maybe I’m very clearly becoming Robinson Crusoe on that one, but I just thought that the best form factor for a smartphone was traditional candy bar fold. Shut, doom, we’ve got ourselves a great little pocketable phone. But everyone seems to be wanting to go to the open book style. I want a much bigger screen. You’ve entered that race here in Australia this year with your Fold. How’s that gone? And what’s the decision behind that in terms of not just leaning on the Razr but expanding into the Fold?

[00:40:23] Praveena: Razr’s had a, you know, very rich heritage. In fact, StarTAC prototype in 1996 was the first clamshell phone ever introduced. And then we adopted the name Razr and launched Razr V3 in 2004. 2019 was the first time we did the flexible Razr with a smartphone display. Um, from 2019, we’ve taken our time, um, in market to launch a fold. And I would say, given I’ve been a fold user for the past 7 years, 8 years I would dare say, and I’m, I’m very loyal to the fold category, I carry 2 phones and one of them is almost always a foldable. And we launched one globally in January, and we brought it into market in July in Australia. Uh, it’s gone, uh, above expectations. And, uh, what we are seeing after even the new form factor, the passport size, launching in market, uh, we’ve had considerable interest, um, which shows that, you know, there is a segment, uh, in market that is particularly attracted to the larger display, productivity it offers, the viewing experience it offers, and everything else that comes with it. So Fold is a special one. And you did say you’ve become a Robinson Crusoe loving the Flip. I have to admit my other phone is the Razr 70 Ultra that I’m using right now. And I absolutely adore the Flip for its pocketability, especially being a woman, you know, going out carrying small handbags, a big large The large Fold is not always what I would want to carry.

[00:41:57] Trevor: But you’re right, the Fold really plays into people that are looking for that productivity play there. They want to, you know, be watching something while they’re writing a document. They want to be reading content while they’re writing something, want to be having access to messages while they’re also doing something else on another screen. It’s a very different experience. But I think it takes a little bit to buy into that. I think, A, it’s, you know, it’s a very high-end phone. At every brand, it’s their most high-end phone. But also it takes a lot for you to really understand how to use a Fold. I don’t think it’s something you pick up in just a couple of days.

[00:42:35] Praveena: Well, that is true. If you want to maximize your productivity, use multiple screens, open 2 to 3 apps at the same time, you would need to know how to use it. But, you know, certain things that we have learned from others in markets that when we launched our Fold, we got it right is definitely the battery, the camera. You know, when people pay that kind of price point, they expect best of the best. You need to have the best camera on the best price point. And for us, we got, you know, the DxOMark Gold Mark on the Razr Fold, which means that it is— it has been acknowledged by the camera rating engine, DxOMark, as the number one foldable camera. So we pay a lot of attention to the megapixels, the telephoto lens, the ultra-wide lens. Not only that, but we have a Sony Littia partnership that really enhances our sensors, bringing in more light, more detail into our images. Camera is becoming important. No one should compromise on camera just because they have a phone. And the other thing is battery. You know, it’s already bulky. The size is big. We don’t want to put a huge battery. We have a huge 6,000mAh battery on our Fold. It’s like 43 to 48 hours, almost 2 days of usage without charging it. And I’m absolutely loving it because I almost used from the second iteration of foldable in the market. So I know we’ve come a long way. The industry has come a long way, and I’m really looking forward I’m looking forward to what is to come with the Apple Duo launch that’s coming up. That’ll be exciting to see.

[00:44:15] Trevor: And so do you see that as a rising tide lifts all boats moment?

[00:44:19] Praveena: Oh, 100%. You know, kudos to Samsung. Like, they have been in the market for a while and now Apple comes along suddenly. Like you mentioned when you started the call, people sometimes just change what they have. And Australians are quite loyal to their brands. So most Apple users would go and change what they’ve got. And I honestly believe this means greater awareness for the category in general and suddenly a bigger slice of the pizza for all of us. You know, foldables remain like 2 to 3% of the total market, but definitely growing. It’s one of the fastest growing categories and we are definitely excited to be in that market. As Motorola, as the brand, and it should raise all boats. And we can’t wait to see that.

[00:45:08] Trevor: I think that’s— I think that’s a great approach to have, to be honest. I worry about how some other brands kind of look at this as a moment to laugh at others. But in the end, this is great for the industry because, you know, selfishly for the industry, it’s like, okay, well, so we’re not just, you know, selling a new style of phone, but it’s a higher-cost phone. So that’s a— that’s a better thing for the industry in terms of revenue from users, but it’ll also make the phones more engaging. I think it’ll create more time on phone, and I don’t know how that gets measured or what gets measured, but I think that, you know, people using their phones more is good for the industry as well. And that’s what we want to encourage is use cases for smartphones.

[00:45:49] Praveena: And then it’s different types of use as well, right? We are going into a world where on-device AI AI is gaining super traction. People are using AI even without realizing it, which is exactly where we want them to be. It needs to be intuitive. It needs to be, you know, part of your life. And, uh, can you imagine a world where you can talk to your phone, get it to do so many things, just like you’re sharing— you’re having an assistant with you all the time who’ll do— will sort out your life? And that’s where we’ll get to. And, um, in between all that, there’ll be the viewing of the content and the productivity But AI is also an important component of innovation that’s coming our way.

[00:46:28] Trevor: It’s amazing what has already happened with AI through Google on smartphones. And I think that obviously that’s something that you will continue to highlight as we go forward with new phones over the period ahead too, because we pretty much hit our 2026 contingent of phones, haven’t we, Praveena? There’s nothing new to come yet. It’s all about 2027 now. And in terms of new devices, but, you know, big sales periods for back home, you know, Black Friday, Christmas is going to be, you know, again, big times and opportunities for Aussie buyers.

[00:46:58] Praveena: That’s correct. Australians particularly don’t like to actually launch because it’s all about, you know, value for money and big shopping and gifting period. We are getting into that period. Duo would probably be the last of the big launches coming this week and then we’ll move into next year. And last year we took over, we combined Techworld and CES and we put it together and we took over the Sphere and launched Razer Fold globally. And, you know, this is something exciting for us that we are looking forward to this year, what’s gonna happen.

[00:47:35] Trevor: Taking over the Sphere is a very big deal. That’s an enormous building. I mean, it’s overwhelming when you see the Sphere for the first time. And then you go inside it. I mean, that’s a big, big play for a big brand, isn’t it?

[00:47:47] Praveena: It is huge. It is huge. And my first experience was last year. In fact, it’s the first time I was inside the Sphere. And Trevor, you would’ve done many, many of these rounds, but it was, we were proud to be Lenovo Motorola. So, you know, this is where it was great. The stage was, It was amazing. Jensen Huang, like, you know, we had FIFA president, we had YY, Lenovo president. It was a stellar stage of these great minds coming together talking about Motorola Razr Fold. It was a moment to remember. And the big screen, exactly to your point, is overwhelming. The device is coming at you in 5D images. And it was spectacular.

[00:48:33] Trevor: Yeah, it’s amazing. And just finally, I spent a lot of time in America. I spent a lot of time watching American sport because I’m a bit of a fan. And I don’t think Australians realize how big the Moto, the Motorola brand is in other markets. Because let’s, with respect to Australia, as you mentioned, we’re very rusted on and loyal to a couple of brands in the majority of the smartphone use. But we’re very unique in that way, aren’t we? In America, there’s much more disbursement of brand across the market, isn’t there?

[00:49:05] Praveena: Oh, 100%, 100%. And Motorola’s legacy started in the US. So we have a strong foothold. And through many years of innovation, we also held on to South America in terms of volume market share we lead. And there’s pockets of Europe, UK, Poland, there’s some big countries for Italy, Italy, France for Motorola. And we, our ambition is to get to that level. You know, we have the grid, we have the technology, there’s no reason why we can’t get to that level of awareness, consideration for the brand and growth in Australia.

[00:49:44] Trevor: Well, congratulations on where it is thus far. And hopefully that rising tide does lift a lot of boats. And critically also, congratulations on what you’re doing give amazing quality design and value to people at the lower end, because it gets overlooked, but millions of phones are sold in Australia under that $700 mark, and people don’t appreciate that that market doesn’t deserve to be just handed, you know, crappy black simple dumb smartphones. They deserve quality, they deserve design, they deserve a good phone.

[00:50:19] Praveena: Oh, completely. Our Edge series This is so critical to our DNA that we take every care. How does the logo look in the back of the phone? What kind of color resonates with people? Pantone is not just for the high end. Pantone color partnership starts from G Edge. And now Lenovo is taking on some of those learnings that we have with Pantone. We’ve got a Swarovski partnership. So we take style and self-expression quite seriously. It should be part of technology. Technology and style can exist together, and we are showing that. It takes focus, effort, and commitment to bringing that to market. And you’re spot on. Whether it’s a $200 phone or a $2,000 phone, it deserves the attention, appeal, quality, look look and feel, color. It deserves everything, and we pay that kind of attention to every single phone we launch.

[00:51:19] Trevor: Good on you. Congratulations and good luck for the year ahead.

[00:51:22] Praveena: Thank you, thank you, Trevor, and have a good day.

[00:51:26] VOICE OVER: Join the conversation. Head to eftm.com and click Ask Trev.

Bruce — Sticking with Kaspersky, and phishing vs scam

[00:51:32] Trevor: Great to have your company. Would love to help you out if I can. If you’ve got a question about tech, you know where to go. Send us a text 0477657657. Bruce on the line. G’day, Bruce.

[00:51:41] Producer: Bruce?

[00:51:41] Bruce: How we going?

[00:51:42] Trevor: Mate, really good. What can I do for you?

[00:51:44] Bruce: Okay, so I’ve been with Kapersky for many years and been happy with them, but I keep on getting warnings year after year, and I just think, is it time to go over to someone else?

[00:52:01] Trevor: What sort of warnings are you getting, Bruce?

[00:52:04] Bruce: Ah, mentions about the Australian government, the US government, places in Europe because of Kaspersky’s ties to Russia. Yeah, that maybe for security it’s better to go somewhere else.

[00:52:23] Trevor: Well, when you say getting these warnings, you’re kind of seeing these things online. You’re not getting pop-up messages or something like that from your app.

[00:52:29] Bruce: No. Yeah, I just read a lot of stuff.

[00:52:33] Producer: Yep.

[00:52:33] Bruce: And occasionally it says, it reminds me, yeah, capacity is good.

[00:52:40] Trevor: However, so it has been. I think it’s really a moral decision for you. I would say this to you, Bruce. I don’t know anything about you. I don’t know what secure information you might hold, but what’s the worst case scenario, right? Worst case scenario is that the Russian government the government has some sort of crazy access to Kaspersky customer data, what are they going to find out about you? Like, who cares? Like, it kind of like, why do we worry about this stuff? Now, I worry— I, I understand why governments worry, because, you know, I don’t think the Prime Minister’s computer should be protected by Kaspersky. Simple. I don’t think the Prime Minister should be using TikTok. I don’t think the Prime Minister should be driving a, a a car with a connected SIM card in it from any other country, let alone China. But I don’t give a rat’s about any of those things in my house because they’re not going to affect me. And honestly, what is my only concern?

[00:53:38] Bruce: I’m retired.

[00:53:40] Producer: Yep.

[00:53:41] Bruce: And you can see your golden egg reducing in size. Yeah. Fast. And obviously So my only concern being a retired person is financial.

[00:53:56] Producer: Absolutely.

[00:53:57] Bruce: And because I do a bit of financial stuff over the internet, which is hard to avoid these days.

[00:54:03] Trevor: Of course.

[00:54:05] Bruce: Is there any problem? And I’m a small fish compared to some people.

[00:54:11] Trevor: Yep.

[00:54:12] Bruce: And that’s every time my, it’s coming up for renewal and every time it comes up for renewal, I think, do I wanna face the hassle of deleting everything and changing over to someone new?

[00:54:27] Trevor: I honestly, Bruce, don’t think the hassle would be that bad. I think you’re absolutely right to be thinking about your financial access and things like that. And you know what, Bruce, credit to you. You are 10 steps ahead of many other retirees in thinking about your financial security from an online perspective. So that’s a great thing. It means you’re going to be hyper-aware, I think, of things like scams and the like. So I think that’s a good thing. But I would counter that by also saying it won’t be a hard thing to change. You know, you don’t renew your license. You uninstall Kaspersky and you immediately install something else. Trend Micro, Norton, something like that. Okay. Now I’ve been using Trend Micro for a very, very long time. Time and have no issues. I think that all the concerns you have obviously don’t relate to the other 3 big ones, which are McAfee, Norton, and Trend Micro. So certainly you could put yourself at ease by saying, I made that decision and I feel better about it. But I would also say to you, I would totally understand if in a year you said to me, nah, stuck with Kaspersky and I’ve just been a bit more vigilant about anything to do with my finances. I don’t think you need to worry. But also, as a retired man with maybe a little bit more time on your hands than a, you know, 40-year-old executive who probably doesn’t have the, the hour of life admin to change, uh, internet security companies, maybe you do have the time to make that change. I don’t think it’ll be as big a hassle as you think it will be.

[00:56:02] Bruce: Yep. Okay, thanks a lot.

[00:56:05] Trevor: But mate, good on you for being savvy and thinking about your online security, mate. It’s a really important thing at every age.

[00:56:14] Bruce: And it’s getting worse.

[00:56:15] Trevor: No, it is, mate. You’ve seen stories of people losing their retirement savings because they thought something was legit and it wasn’t. Never give anything, especially in this world of AI and the like, never give anything access to your financial accounts, bank accounts and things like that because we simply don’t want anyone to have access to pretending to making you money when they’re actually taking your money.

[00:56:40] Bruce: Just a quick one before you leave me. Yeah, a lot of times you get a choice. I get a lot of, uh, scam stuff, and you get a choice to mark it as phishing or a scam, right? What’s, what’s the difference? If, if you go up the top, it says, uh, do you want to mark this as phishing or scam?

[00:57:03] Trevor: Okay, so So I think that— I think both are scams, but what you’re doing is you’re giving a more specific label to something, which phishing is. Now, phishing is the act of tricking you into thinking it was something else. So if you clicked on a link somewhere thinking it was for Netflix and you went to a site that looked like it was Netflix and then you realized it wasn’t, that’s phishing. It’s also a scam, but most importantly, it’s phishing. And so if you’re aware of what phishing is, which is, you know, deceiving people by making the user think they were on a different website to the one they’re on, then label it as phishing. But otherwise, labeling it as a scam is awesome.

[00:57:43] Bruce: Yeah, these are just emails like everybody gets, and most of the time you just look at who sent it and you don’t even open it. And you, you got the choice to mark it spam more. Okay, you’ll be fine. Thanks very much.

[00:58:01] Trevor: And the good thing is, again, Bruce, you’re helping other people by doing that. So many people don’t bother clicking that button, but you’re, you’re helping train Kaspersky’s knowledge on what is and isn’t a scam by feeding that information back. So good on you. Thanks, Bruce.

[00:58:18] Bruce: Okay, thanks for your help.

[00:58:19] Trevor: Good to chat to you, mate. Thanks anyway.

[00:58:21] Bruce: Thank you.

[00:58:21] Trevor: Cheers, buddy. Um, my guess My guess is Bruce will change from Kaspersky. What do you reckon, folks? What do you reckon? I reckon given I’ve guided him and told him that it won’t be that big a deal, and I think, I hope you’ll understand why I didn’t just tell him no, no, walk away, get rid of it, because I’ve not heard a bad word said about Kaspersky from a customer perspective. I’ve not seen a single report of people’s data being accessed because they were Kaspersky customers. And so if I’m going to have this stance over Huawei, then I should have the same stance over Kaspersky. Show me evidence and I will send people away from that company in droves. But until there’s evidence, I’m happy for people to keep using it because I think it’s a strong and good product from what I’ve heard.

[00:59:14] VOICE OVER: 0477 657 777. 657. That’s the text line. Thanks to Vodafone, get in touch and ask Trev today.

[00:59:26] Trevor: All right, thank you for getting in touch, everyone, today. Thank you to Praveena from Motorola for coming on the show and for being good supporters of BFTM over a long period of time. We appreciate that as well, uh, and we look forward to talking to you next week. We’ve got a bunch of calls ready to go for next week. We want to hear from you as well. If you’ve got a tech question you want me want to help, uh, my buying advice, uh, get in touch. 0477 657 657. Check out the EFTM TV Buyer’s Guide if you’re in the market for a TV. That’s been overhauled. It’s a nice little price graph there from the last 12 months showing now. Yeah, it’s pretty cool. Um, and, uh, yeah, love to hear from you, whatever you want to talk about. I want to hear from you folks, so we’ll do it all again next week.

[01:00:04] VOICE OVER: This is the EFTM Podcast.