The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 755 – The iPhone Duo Review

TBTT #755 – The iPhone Duo Review

Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Tech
Date: 21 October 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long and Stephen Fenech

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[00:00:00] Stephen Fenech: Born ready, mate.

[00:00:01] Trevor Long: You say that again?

[00:00:02] Stephen Fenech: Did you catch that?

[00:00:02] Trevor Long: I don’t know. I don’t know if I just—

[00:00:04] Stephen Fenech: Bit fast. I said I was born ready.

[00:00:06] Trevor Long: I think I might have got born ready.

[00:00:08] Stephen Fenech: Okay, well, I’ve said it again.

[00:00:10] Trevor Long: No, well, you were born ready. When I tell you to be ready, he’s ready. I’ve got a disclosure to make that’s not being made on the podcast.

[00:00:16] Stephen Fenech: His name’s Rod Ready.

[00:00:17] Trevor Long: All right.

[00:00:19] Stephen Fenech: You got a what disclosure?

[00:00:20] Trevor Long: I’ve got a disclosure to make on the video podcast.

[00:00:22] Stephen Fenech: Oh my God.

[00:00:23] Trevor Long: I’m wearing makeup.

[00:00:25] Stephen Fenech: You just came back from Channel 9.

[00:00:27] Trevor Long: I got so sunburnt on the weekend. Like, so sunburnt. Went to Harry’s baseball. My mum came up. And so we went to Harry’s baseball, first game back since we’ve been on a trip and everything. And it was a hot day, but it was also cold and windy. It was just weird on Saturday. Anyway, Saturday night I went, ah, and you know, when I’m wearing a hat, it’s just my schnoz sticks out and it’s just bright red, right? And I’m like, ah, damn it. Anyway, so then on Sunday—

[00:00:50] Stephen Fenech: You weren’t wearing a hat.

[00:00:51] Trevor Long: I was wearing a hat, but my nose sticks out. So it’s pretty big up here. Anyway, so then on Sunday we had the Inala Fair, which is the big disability services that Amanda used to work for and her aunt is a participant at. And Richard Wilkins, the patron So I am seeing the day. And the day, like, we took jackets, we took raincoats, we’re like, whatever. And we get there and it’s not a cloud in sight.

[00:01:11] Stephen Fenech: It was a nice day. It turned out a nice day.

[00:01:12] Trevor Long: So Amanda comes running over, she goes, “You can put sunscreen on.” I was in the middle of just the worst moment. There was this drama with these people, da da. Anyway, I go, “Okay, fine, whatever.” So I put a bit on and everything. And she goes, “I’m gonna be rude. Don’t forget your bald spot.” I went, “Okay, fine.” Anyway, so the next day I wake up and I can feel I’m more sunburnt. But not here, just there’s a line. You can probably see it. There’s a line right here and I’m red from this line back because I’ve just done this and I haven’t gone all the way to my hairline. And mate, so I’ve just watched— Coverage. So to be clear, and we’ve talked about this before, I haven’t got makeup at Channel 9 for like 10 years. They just stopped asking me to come into makeup at some point. And I just assume it’s ’cause they can’t help. So I have been to the makeup room at the new building once, I think to find someone to talk to them.

[00:02:01] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:02:01] Trevor Long: I don’t even know where it was. So I found it this morning and I walk in, I go, “Hi.” And they go, “What are you doing here?” I went, “Sunburn.” And they go, “Oh, okay, take a seat.” And so I was excited. It was an unplanned segment. So I was excited last night when they said, “Do you wanna come in in the morning?” I went, “Yes,” ’cause then I have makeup for this recording. Because tomorrow I’ve got a very important video to record, which we’ll talk about in a minute. And I’m on the Today Show tomorrow morning. And so I thought, “Great, I’m gonna do the same thing. I’ll have makeup so that I don’t look like a Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer doing my iPhone video.” Very nice. So full disclosure, happy to admit.

[00:02:35] Stephen Fenech: There we go.

[00:02:36] Trevor Long: You know, it is what it is.

[00:02:38] Stephen Fenech: Okay, well that’s good, mate. Nothing wrong with that. I have no makeup on.

[00:02:41] Trevor Long: My nose is like, it’s like a rock. It’s so hard, I can feel the skin.

[00:02:46] Stephen Fenech: So does that, yeah, right.

[00:02:47] Trevor Long: Yeah,

[00:02:47] Stephen Fenech: it’s bad. You gonna peel? Oh yeah, bad.

[00:02:50] Trevor Long: Do you peel? Yeah.

[00:02:50] Stephen Fenech: Oh.

[00:02:51] Trevor Long: But I just, I’ve got moisturizer here and at home, so I’ll be fine.

[00:02:54] Stephen Fenech: Of course you do.

[00:02:54] Trevor Long: Of course you do. CeraVe moisturizing lotion.

[00:02:56] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, of course.

[00:02:57] Trevor Long: Victoria, I said to Victoria, ’cause you know, teenage girl, she’s got a routine. I said, oh, I don’t have a, a skincare routine.

[00:03:03] Stephen Fenech: And she said it shows.

[00:03:04] Trevor Long: And then we’re in America, I said, honestly, my skin feels dry. And so when they went to Walgreens, they bought some stuff and it was the same stuff that I have here. I bought it when Dylan Alcott started advertising it during one of the Australian Opens a couple of years ago. I’m like, if Dylan Alcott’s got a skincare routine, I can too. But I forget to do it every day. So I only do it when I feel dry.

[00:03:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I put a bit on sometimes. Do you just? Yeah, sometimes. Got some stuff.

[00:03:28] Trevor Long: See, I think if I shaved every day, I’d have a skincare routine ’cause I’d remember to do something. But I don’t need to do anything every day.

[00:03:36] Stephen Fenech: Do you, like, I don’t— It feels like it should be a private thing to conversate. I don’t shave every day. I shave every second or third day. Right. Do you? But every day I put on aftershave.

[00:03:46] Trevor Long: Yeah, right, I don’t.

[00:03:47] Stephen Fenech: And that sort of seals your skin up a little bit and you smell nice as well. But do you put on, do you wear any aftershave at all?

[00:03:53] Trevor Long: No.

[00:03:53] Stephen Fenech: No, nothing.

[00:03:54] Trevor Long: Rexona is my only scent.

[00:03:55] Stephen Fenech: I reckon that, That might not— although they say— what are you trying to say? No, no, alcohol is in the aftershave. That might, for some people, might dry out their skin. But for me, I find it right. It seals, like after a shave, it seals my pores a bit. And it’s— I find it good for me.

[00:04:12] Trevor Long: Two blokes talking skincare. Your favorite YouTube channel?

[00:04:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, there you go. See, you come for the tech, but you get these other tips.

[00:04:19] Trevor Long: Are they tips? Yeah,

[00:04:20] Stephen Fenech: I don’t know. I

[00:04:21] Trevor Long: don’t think there was any tips

[00:04:22] Stephen Fenech: there. There’s an insight into our beauty routines.

[00:04:25] Trevor Long: We’re old men. We don’t— we come from a different generation. I think probably Jackson and Harry have little bottles of stuff they carry around and they like,

[00:04:34] Stephen Fenech: maybe

[00:04:34] Trevor Long: they have to take care of themselves.

[00:04:36] Stephen Fenech: Wasn’t considered manly for us to do something.

[00:04:37] Trevor Long: No, well, it wasn’t, was it?

[00:04:38] Stephen Fenech: Well, like, honestly, I don’t know. I think, you know, you’re only born with one face, you know.

[00:04:43] Trevor Long: Yeah, but when you were 16 through 26, did anyone say to you, oh, you should put bloody—

[00:04:49] Stephen Fenech: No, because you’re young. You’re young and you—

[00:04:52] Trevor Long: I think that’s when you’re meant to do it.

[00:04:53] Stephen Fenech: Well, no.

[00:04:54] Trevor Long: The horse has bolted by now.

[00:04:56] Stephen Fenech: No, no, I don’t think so. I didn’t need it back then, trust me. But now I need all the help I can get.

[00:05:04] Trevor Long: We know, this is on camera. Well, that’s why we— Zoom in. That’s why we’re not using the RODECaster 4K capture upgrade because we just like to use it.

[00:05:13] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you’re sweet, you got makeup on.

[00:05:14] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:05:15] Stephen Fenech: You’re fine. So yeah, mate, just share the dust with me, mate. I’ll dust up if you want.

[00:05:21] Trevor Long: I didn’t realize it ’cause the couple of times that there’s someone, there’s one, lady in the makeup team that is always real, just overly lovely to me. And she’ll often say, “Should I just give you the powder?” Just to make me feel good about myself.

[00:05:33] Stephen Fenech: Let’s shine off your forehead.

[00:05:34] Trevor Long: Like I might actually be a TV person. Yeah, yeah. Just to take the shine off. So I’ve only ever had someone do that.

[00:05:39] Stephen Fenech: Just dust you.

[00:05:39] Trevor Long: Take the shine off. But this was proper paste she put on the spot. She’s like painting it up. She’s like, “Jeez, you are.” She said, “Is your skin hurting?” I went, “Yes, I’m burnt.”

[00:05:47] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:05:48] Trevor Long: And it’s been 3 days. Like it’s been 2 or 2 and a bit days.

[00:05:51] Stephen Fenech: So the makeup’s obviously still on.

[00:05:52] Trevor Long: It’s still there, just.

[00:05:53] Stephen Fenech: So if you wipe the makeup off now, would you be red? Like solid red? Yes. Still. Okay. Yeah. But you know what, you’re going to keep that on till tomorrow. You’re going

[00:05:59] Trevor Long: to have a shower and I’ll go back to makeup in the morning.

[00:06:02] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:06:02] Trevor Long: I’m allowed to go there.

[00:06:04] Stephen Fenech: Of course. You do what you got to do.

[00:06:06] Trevor Long: I was sitting when I did that electric car segment on the Today Show a few months ago.

[00:06:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:06:10] Trevor Long: We had the cars downstairs in the big studio. There was a couple of blokes there from the kind of studio staging team. I don’t know what their jobs are, but anyway.

[00:06:16] Stephen Fenech: Sticky beak.

[00:06:17] Trevor Long: Yeah. They were just there because they had to turn the lights on and everything. Right. And I was talking about how, I don’t know how it came up. Oh, cause I, ‘Cause I didn’t wait for them to bring the cars up into the studio. I took them into the lift and I know how to use it all. I’ve got access. I know how it all works. So they got in and they were like, “Oh, you’ve done it all.” I’m like, “Yeah, I know how to.” I said, “Mate, my pass gets me in everywhere.”

[00:06:34] Stephen Fenech: And

[00:06:35] Trevor Long: they go, “You should try the makeup room. That’s the highest security of all.” So I went in this morning thinking, “I wonder if this is gonna work?” And I went, “Ho ho ho.” Did

[00:06:42] Stephen Fenech: it

[00:06:42] Trevor Long: work? Yeah, no dramas at all.

[00:06:43] Stephen Fenech: Why was the makeup room so high?

[00:06:44] Trevor Long: ‘Cause the talent’s there. ‘Cause behind that door is all the dressing rooms and the makeup room, yeah.

[00:06:50] Stephen Fenech: You don’t have a dressing room?

[00:06:51] Trevor Long: No, I don’t have a dressing room. I didn’t even know there was a green room. There’s a green room upstairs. I just sit outside the studio and chill.

[00:06:57] Stephen Fenech: Green room? Whenever, like I did an EV segment when you were away and I was sitting, is it upstairs or downstairs? And there’s a room with a TV. Is that the green room?

[00:07:07] Trevor Long: That’s the green room, yeah.

[00:07:07] Stephen Fenech: I’ve been there a few times.

[00:07:08] Trevor Long: Yeah, I’ve never used that room.

[00:07:10] Stephen Fenech: Okay, well, why would you?

[00:07:11] Trevor Long: Yeah, ’cause I just sit outside the studio or I go in the studio and talk to people.

[00:07:14] Stephen Fenech: Your pass gets you anywhere, mate. Me, they gotta keep an eye on me when I’m there. They can’t say, “Hey, where are you going? Stay there.”

[00:07:19] Trevor Long: I don’t think they would care if you just wandered around, mate, if I’m honest.

[00:07:21] Stephen Fenech: Well, I didn’t know where to wander though. That’s the thing. They didn’t know where I was from.

[00:07:25] Trevor Long: All right, well, that’s not what anyone’s here for. They’re here for this.

[00:07:29] VOICE OVER: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech. Not a bad price. With Trevor Long from eftm.com.

[00:07:35] Stephen Fenech: Really handy device.

[00:07:36] VOICE OVER: And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au.

[00:07:40] Trevor Long: Really handy device. That is you. That is some of your best. Remember when we used to—

[00:07:44] VOICE OVER: Oh, welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:07:47] Trevor Long: That’s outrageous, RODECaster. Now I’ve got to fix that again. How does that change?

[00:07:51] Stephen Fenech: Watch out. I don’t know.

[00:07:54] Trevor Long: Hi, RØDE. We appreciate the amazing gear that you’ve created for our community, the podcasters. But honestly, do you use it? Some little bugs in it. Do you use it? We had a green screen issue in the EV show. Yeah, it was all happening. It was funny because the background’s green and it was green screen and your shirt was green.

[00:08:13] Stephen Fenech: So it was super green.

[00:08:14] Trevor Long: I was coming through British racing green. It was crazy weird.

[00:08:17] Stephen Fenech: Was that a palette issue, wasn’t it? Yeah, color palette issue, is that right?

[00:08:20] Trevor Long: Or chroma key?

[00:08:21] Stephen Fenech: Chroma key.

[00:08:22] Trevor Long: Anyway, episode 755 of Two Blokes Talking Tech. Thanks to the great people at Arlo and JBL. We hope you support them like they support us. If you’re looking for security cameras, Arlo’s got you covered. Got you covered, see? Get it? And if you’re looking for some great sound, JBL will hook you up with some amazing Bluetooth speakers, Wi-Fi speakers, multi-room in the home, headphones, you name it, they’ve got you. And I’m actually looking forward to spending some time with JBL in Korea this week. Korea. Celebrate Korea move. To celebrate 80 years of JBL. So we’ll— I might talk about that next week.

[00:08:55] Stephen Fenech: How many audio companies have been around for 80 years?

[00:08:57] Trevor Long: Exactly, not many. I would say Sennheiser would be— I feel like they, they were 75 at about the same time, so I feel like they were formed around the same time.

[00:09:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I don’t think Bose is that old either. Bose, I don’t think, quite young. I don’t think so at all.

[00:09:09] Trevor Long: Wow. Um, 2x Showing Tech. Yeah, so 755, we appreciate you listening, uh, downloading and supporting. And today we are going to talk How about this?

[00:09:18] Stephen Fenech: What have you got there?

[00:09:19] Trevor Long: I have the iPhone Duo, ladies and gentlemen, and you’ll find out today, folks. We’re recording this on Tuesday, the 20th of October at 5:26 PM, and there’s a couple of reasons for that. Firstly, I am traveling tomorrow. Secondly, the embargo for this device, you’ll notice with all the reviews dropping, is Wednesday night. And so this show comes out on a Thursday.

[00:09:40] Stephen Fenech: So we thought we were safe.

[00:09:41] Trevor Long: We thought we’d keep ourselves safe by, by having a little look squeeze at this. So look, we’ve seen this. We saw it. You got hands on with it. I got hands-on with the launch, we know kind of everything we need to know about it. But yes, it’s a bit different using it. There’s no question at all. But that initial, oh my God, that kind of wow action is persistent.

[00:10:01] Stephen Fenech: Does that wear off?

[00:10:02] Trevor Long: No, it does not wear off.

[00:10:04] Stephen Fenech: A lot of surprise and delight with this device.

[00:10:06] Trevor Long: A lot. And the funny thing is, it’s also very true of— what about the brightness on that camera? Oh no, it’s okay. It looks bad on that screen. I, you know, I pick and choose very carefully during an embargoed NDA week because, you know, we’re under a very strict NDA. But I hand it to people and I go, do you want to have a look? Like, do you want to see what it’s like? Yes.

[00:10:27] Stephen Fenech: And what’s the reaction?

[00:10:29] Trevor Long: Every single person’s reaction is wow. Yeah. Now, if there’s someone that’s,

[00:10:33] Stephen Fenech: that’s justified,

[00:10:34] Trevor Long: if there’s someone that’s considering buying it, they’re instantly there. And I think we’ve said that, haven’t we? We’ve said this is a device that when you hold it in your hands,

[00:10:42] Stephen Fenech: yes,

[00:10:43] Trevor Long: you will want to buy.

[00:10:44] Stephen Fenech: I think you’re right. And I remember when I was a few weeks ago when it was first announced and I said, I’m surprised why does Apple don’t have a display pre-sale to at least see it in person? Well, let’s— because I think there’s a lot of people, I’ll use my brother as an example. My brother Michael, who’s a big Apple fan and has been asking about it and he’s thinking, do I buy it or not? And he’s hesitant to spend $3,500 or he’d probably spend $3,000 to go the next level up. Yeah. But he’s hesitant to put his money down thinking if he doesn’t like it, he’s gonna, I know there’s a 14-day, return period, but he’s worried that he’s gonna get stuck with a device he doesn’t like.

[00:11:25] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:11:25] Stephen Fenech: So he wants to, I think, experience it. But problem there is that the, the pre-sales went— started the other day, and if the— what people are sharing online is to be believed, if you haven’t got in on that initial pre-sale, you’ve got to wait till next year to get one.

[00:11:43] Trevor Long: So I checked again this morning, February. If you’re on the Apple website and you try and order one, it’ll be February 8th.

[00:11:49] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:11:49] Trevor Long: Is your dispatch date.

[00:11:50] Stephen Fenech: So that’s in 4 months.

[00:11:51] Trevor Long: Dispatch date. That’s over 110 days, right? That’s crazy.

[00:11:55] Stephen Fenech: Well, is that due to, here, hold that again. Is that due to the fact that, and look, there’s been so many rumors around this. Is that due to the fact that they’ve had production issues or there’s not enough stock or what is it?

[00:12:10] Trevor Long: Apple don’t talk, right? They’re not gonna say, right? But I reckon it’s a bit of column A, column B. I think demand is stronger than they may have anticipated. Yeah, good for them. And I think supply is a constraint for them. I think that it’s a new factory tooling. It’s new everything. They don’t see— do you remember 6 years ago talking to Tony Brown from LG about what’s the name? What’s the term for when they got their OLED panels are coming off the conveyor belt and they go, this one works, this one doesn’t, right?

[00:12:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. So the failure rate, the failure rate, right?

[00:12:42] Trevor Long: Yeah. And they were every year they would reduce that failure rate by a certain amount and that was improving the quality of production. That’s why LG

[00:12:50] Stephen Fenech: excelled at OLED because their failure rate, their production was like, their failure rate was very low.

[00:12:55] Trevor Long: But it took them a while to get this. Like, it took them years to get there, right? I think you’ve got to appreciate that the, the form factor of the iPhone 18, let alone the iPhone X, for all the— it’s pretty much the same, it’s just different chassis and construction, right? Yeah. So this is all new.

[00:13:07] Stephen Fenech: This is new, new drawing.

[00:13:09] Trevor Long: Every part of it is new. You’ve got to, you’ve got to not just build the hinge parts, you’ve got to assemble the hinge, then you’ve got to put it together with the screen, then you’ve got to do fold it, you’ve got to make sure it works. So I would suspect that they, they they actually haven’t ramped up to the same, anywhere near the same levels of production.

[00:13:24] Stephen Fenech: If the rumors are to be believed, they’ve had a pretty like, and you know, Mark Gurman’s always commenting on Mac rumors and stuff. And he, I think, said at one point that they had a very high failure rate. Like he was saying, like up to like their success rate, if you want to call it that, was only about 60%. So 6 out of 10 were good. The others had to be go back down the line again.

[00:13:45] Trevor Long: And so with that, constraint on supply conjoined with demand, we’ve got this problem. Now, I think it’s fascinating though that your brother Mikey, willing and possibly able to spend $4,000, $5,000.

[00:13:59] Stephen Fenech: Oh, he can afford that.

[00:14:01] Trevor Long: May turn up to an Apple Store, Telstra, or Vodafone Optus on Friday and go, I wanna look at, I’ll stand behind 3 people before I get to it. And he’ll go, oh my God, no, I really want one. And he’s not gonna be able to get one.

[00:14:12] Stephen Fenech: He’s not gonna be able to buy one. So does this mean, and I’ve heard too that some territories countries around the world, I think Korea and other parts of the world, Apple have instructed the stores to, for people, they’ve been told customers don’t come to the store unless you’re picking up a preorder.

[00:14:30] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:14:30] Stephen Fenech: So are we gonna face that in Australia too?

[00:14:33] Trevor Long: I don’t think they’re gonna say that overtly, but I think that Apple’s strategy since iPhone 12 or 13 has been, it’s a very different queue down there. Yeah. Like even last year, it looks like there’s a queue, but it’s just a queue of people who preordered for the 8:00 AM pickup. Because when you preorder for in-store pickup, you get a time slot. So there’s, you know, 100 people per half hour.

[00:14:52] Stephen Fenech: Is that what time the store opens? 8? Is it 8 AM?

[00:14:54] Trevor Long: 8 or 9? It’s 8. I think it’s 8. Okay. And so the queue there, we often think, oh, look at the queue, but it’s actually, that’s the preorder queue. And it’s the other side of the door where they’re the walk-ups. Yes. So there’s normally two bollards. One says preorders, one says walk-ups. Yeah.

[00:15:08] Stephen Fenech: And so looking at the store onto the left of the door is preorders. Oh no, they’re walk-ups.

[00:15:12] Trevor Long: The big queue is preorders.

[00:15:14] Stephen Fenech: Really? That’s changed.

[00:15:16] Trevor Long: And it’s been that way for 3 years or so. Okay, right, right. But Beth definitely changed from the good old days, right? And so I think what’ll happen is I think there will be people that go, bugger it, I’m gonna go down there at midnight and they’ll go down there at midnight. And I think there’ll be someone from Apple there. There’ll be security guards saying, what they do is they hand out a number. You’re number 1, you’re number 2, you’re number 3. When they get to number 100, they go, we’ve run out of stock.

[00:15:36] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:15:37] Trevor Long: They’ll know how many are in there. Of course. They’re not gonna let 200 people queue up if only 50 are available. They’re not going to let 1,000 people queue up if only 100 available. Yeah, I do not see anything happening.

[00:15:48] Stephen Fenech: I’m going to try. You’re going to be out of the country. I’m going to try to get down there and see what happens. I think it’s going to be a really interesting situation where there’s going to be, I think, a lot of people turned away without a phone. And

[00:16:01] Trevor Long: I think the turn away is the story. It’s not the disappointment of queuing up for 10 hours and not getting one. It’s the So you turn up at midnight, they’ll turn you away. But if you turn up at 7:30, there’s gonna be so many people there, it’s gonna be hard to turn people away. And so, but they’ll get through the queue slowly. And so the people you wanna jump on are the people that queue up for 5 minutes and then get turned away. And it’s like, the story isn’t how long did you queue up? The story is—

[00:16:27] Stephen Fenech: Did you get a phone?

[00:16:28] Trevor Long: When did you, no, no, you’ve been disappointed. When did you decide to come down here? When did you realize that you couldn’t preorder? Like, maybe. What’s the disappointment?

[00:16:36] Stephen Fenech: Well, yeah, having said that, I suppose Apple customers are pretty savvy, so they might have done a bit of homework. And

[00:16:42] Trevor Long: well, on the weekend when I wrote the story for EFTM that the delay was out to 100 days, I looked at Vodafone Optus and Telstra, and Telstra was in January. Vodafone still had October orders.

[00:16:51] Stephen Fenech: All right.

[00:16:52] Trevor Long: Yeah. So on the weekend—

[00:16:54] Stephen Fenech: but you had to be an Optus— you had to be a Vodafone customer.

[00:16:56] Trevor Long: We just had to— you could have just bought out— you had to order through Vodafone.

[00:16:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:17:00] Trevor Long: So, but that’s already, that’s gone out to January as well. So mate, you know what? Try your luck at JB’s. I think every retail store gets a small stock.

[00:17:10] Stephen Fenech: They’ll have, yeah.

[00:17:11] Trevor Long: But it will be, if you are not in the first 10 people in the line, I wouldn’t wait.

[00:17:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think that’d be a good thing too to look at. ‘Cause I think just up from Apple, the Apple Store is a JB Hi-Fi in the Strand Arcade.

[00:17:23] Trevor Long: Telstra across the road.

[00:17:23] Stephen Fenech: There’s a Telstra across the road. Thing is actually now Telstra’s in Pitt Street Mall now.

[00:17:28] Trevor Long: That’s right. Thing is, um, it’s, it’s still a brutally impressive device. Brutally impressive.

[00:17:34] Stephen Fenech: Let’s talk about it.

[00:17:35] Trevor Long: I absolutely love it, right? But it has many constraints.

[00:17:39] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:17:39] Trevor Long: And the constraints essentially are this: there’s 3 types of apps. There are apps built by Apple. Let’s use Safari as an example. Look at that great website. Great website. So this, uh, this— if you look at this, if you’re watching the YouTube, you’ll see on the You see like a normal looking of the website, right? But up here you’ve got this new version of how you show your battery, your mobile, and your Wi-Fi status down the right. And down here is what you might normally see at the bottom of the screen as menu items. And then there’s the back button here.

[00:18:08] Stephen Fenech: So in doing that, Apple has basically sort of stayed faithful to the shape of a normal phone,

[00:18:13] Trevor Long: kind of.

[00:18:14] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, front screen.

[00:18:15] Trevor Long: And that occurs in pretty much every app. Now, dangerous for me to show my email, but, um, But essentially Apple apps, yep, like Calendar, you’ve got these menus down the side here, right? So you can, you can go into these menus. That’s where it is, right? But if you open an app, uh, and it’s also dangerous to open pretty much any app on my phone, uh, let’s open ChatGPT. So you’ll see here what you would normally see as the, the app, but then you’ve got this big black bar,

[00:18:43] Stephen Fenech: right?

[00:18:44] Trevor Long: And that’s where when, if chat— so this app is what I would describe as a iOS 26 app, like a third party. It was designed for— it doesn’t matter who built it, right? It’s an iOS 26 app. Yeah, it was built for iOS 26 and it works great, right? If it was designed for iOS 27, it would go all the way to the edge. That white would go to the edge. So I’ll give you an example of that— Reddit, right? No, no, it doesn’t. I thought it did yesterday. Maybe I’m wrong. You find every now and then you find an app that does go to that edge.

[00:19:12] Stephen Fenech: So I’ll ask you this: how many app updates have you done in the last few days?

[00:19:15] Trevor Long: Every day I check. Multiple times a day.

[00:19:17] Stephen Fenech: And how many are you updating on a daily basis? 4 or 5 easily. You’ve had these for about 6 days?

[00:19:21] Trevor Long: 4 or 5 easily. So a few days ago, Facebook updated, and on Facebook you’ll see they added these menus down the side here. So these menus now exist on Facebook properly. That’s a— so if I open this up, it will be—

[00:19:36] Stephen Fenech: is it Faithful? Okay, so you get it. Faithful, right?

[00:19:38] Trevor Long: All the menus are down here, all that kind of stuff, right? We can bring up a menu here. Tilted down, mate. Hang on, let me get rid of that menu. Yeah, how do I do that? There it is. Yeah, so then now when you tilt it this way, the menu is meant to be down the bottom, right? Okay,

[00:19:50] Stephen Fenech: so on the widescreen it’s on the left, on the right,

[00:19:54] Trevor Long: or

[00:19:54] Stephen Fenech: wide, it’s on the right, portrait, it’s on the bottom like a normal phone.

[00:19:57] Trevor Long: So that is what we would describe as an iOS 27.1 app. This has been fully updated and ready for, for the Duo.

[00:20:05] Stephen Fenech: All right, I’ve got some questions for you percentage-wise.

[00:20:08] Trevor Long: Just to be clear, sorry, that, that, that’s my problem with the device right now.

[00:20:12] Stephen Fenech: Okay, I open up— not all app— well, you’ve got an early device, so

[00:20:15] Trevor Long: I understand, but everyone listening will know this story if you’re an Apple user. You remember when you had an iPad and you downloaded Instagram and it was this big screen with this tiny little box in the middle? Yeah, the size of an iPhone. You’re like, what the hell’s going on here? And if that happens, you can expand it so you can make it bigger, but it looks rubbish. Okay, looks, looks crap.

[00:20:34] Stephen Fenech: Question: how often were you using the phone closed versus open?

[00:20:39] Trevor Long: Way more often, 60-70%.

[00:20:41] Stephen Fenech: Is that right? So you only open the device 30% of the time. Why is that? Because you never had time to watch it.

[00:20:45] Trevor Long: Yeah, I’m not I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you how I’ve watched more things than anything.

[00:20:51] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:20:52] Trevor Long: I’ll bring up—

[00:20:52] Stephen Fenech: what have you watched on it?

[00:20:54] Trevor Long: Yeah, I just want— like yesterday I was— what

[00:20:56] Stephen Fenech: was it? YouTube work good on it?

[00:20:57] Trevor Long: I’ll show you that right now. Yesterday I was watching, I was doing something on my computer and so it didn’t need me to be like— I could watch something at the same time, right? So, um, let’s bring up something.

[00:21:09] Stephen Fenech: Doing editing?

[00:21:09] Trevor Long: Might have been. Yeah, I think I was actually editing, right? Volume button’s in a weird spot, very hard to get used to. So I’m Let me bring up the top-down again. So I’m watching a YouTube video, right? Yeah. So fine and dandy.

[00:21:20] Stephen Fenech: So that’s YouTube.

[00:21:21] Trevor Long: Yep. Yep. But if I just— I don’t have to touch anything, but if I open the phone a little bit and sit it here, yeah, it will flick automatically to this viewable mode. Right. And that is fully sick. Okay, that’s great. That’s amazing.

[00:21:34] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s good.

[00:21:34] Trevor Long: Because I’m telling you, mate, I may not take a tablet on the plane. Oh, I’ll just sit that in front of me.

[00:21:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right. Look at it. Small, bit small, but

[00:21:41] Trevor Long: yeah, but you just need a screen.

[00:21:43] Stephen Fenech: But what about—

[00:21:43] Trevor Long: but now if I open it up, yeah. It’ll be ready for me to choose to go full screen.

[00:21:50] Stephen Fenech: And they are. Wow, look at that. That’s a better result. Amazing.

[00:21:53] Trevor Long: And have you got your 18 Pro Max?

[00:21:56] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:21:56] Trevor Long: Bring your 18 Pro Max up here for a second because I think this is an important thing. Sit it here. So the screen is the

[00:22:03] Stephen Fenech: same width,

[00:22:04] Trevor Long: barely bigger. It’s barely bigger than an iPhone Pro Max.

[00:22:08] Stephen Fenech: Hang on, let me— Oh, right. Okay. So it is bigger though. Look at that.

[00:22:12] Trevor Long: It’s bigger. Oh, thanks for sharing your contact card. Details.

[00:22:16] Stephen Fenech: We know that works.

[00:22:17] Trevor Long: So like it’s bigger, no doubt. But then you need— I’ve got the kickstand case. You need the kickstand case. Well, that’s what I was going to say.

[00:22:23] Stephen Fenech: I notice, and I know for a fact, I’m giving you up here, that you didn’t just take the case off for the show. You were raw dogging it. You had no case. I want to know how it feels. You’ve always been a no case guy, but haven’t you? On an iPhone.

[00:22:37] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:22:38] Stephen Fenech: Now let me

[00:22:38] Trevor Long: just show you Netflix quickly because it is the go-to.

[00:22:42] Stephen Fenech: It is the absolute— that was ready to go for a while.

[00:22:45] Trevor Long: Exactly. Yeah. So I’ve got— this is not public Netflix. They’ve given me the test flight so I could actually watch it, right? But this is— so this is, uh, you can see it’s full screen if you’re watching the YouTube clip, but when I tilt it up and sit it down, it flicks automatically so that the, the content is up here and you’ve got this, this display down here. But what’s really critical about this display, when it disappears, folks, um, when that display disappears, the kind of control buttons underneath that display is a a reflection of the screen, and that is not real, purely

[00:23:14] Stephen Fenech: animated.

[00:23:15] Trevor Long: That’s, that’s actually projected in there.

[00:23:17] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s, that’s the surprise and delight.

[00:23:19] Trevor Long: Crazy beautiful. As of course is that, that animation that everyone was in awe of, which is this. And it’s beautiful, it’s beautiful.

[00:23:28] Stephen Fenech: You know what, like, like Samsung, look at that. Come on, why didn’t Samsung think of that? They’ve had 8 years to think of

[00:23:34] Trevor Long: that because they don’t build the operating system.

[00:23:36] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, true.

[00:23:37] Trevor Long: And so my negatives— I’ll get back to your questions in a second— but my negatives about the apps are valid. Like, if you get this thing on day one, yeah, I think it’ll be a week or three before you get the best of the device, right? So I had my app developer— it took him 12 hours, but we got the world’s easiest app. It’s not anything complex, right? It’s moving a menu. We’ve updated it so it will work, but it’ll be disappointing in some ways. You will have moments of disappointment from the iPhone Duo even though you spent $3,500.

[00:24:04] Stephen Fenech: I’ve got to say, I’ve had a lot of emails from developers who have got apps asking about, oh yeah, try our Duo, you know, you, when you get it, make sure you load our app that have been built for it. I think there was a— was it, was it you showing me or someone showing me? I think it was Val was showing me they’ve got an audio app which is like the Sony Walkman app. Is that the one you got?

[00:24:25] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:26] Stephen Fenech: So it looks like a Sony Walkman.

[00:24:28] Trevor Long: It’s pretty cool. It’s

[00:24:28] Stephen Fenech: called— why? And it’s called—

[00:24:30] Trevor Long: you’ve already answered the question. It’s called Deckman. Yes, here it is. Here, oh wow, this looks at your, uh, your playlists on, um yeah, on Apple Music. And so there’s Playing to Win, Little River Band. So it takes the tape out, tape out, puts the tape in, right? And then I’ll turn it up and then I shut it.

[00:24:49] Stephen Fenech: Ah, it’s the— it’s the actual player.

[00:24:51] Trevor Long: Shut it and it plays.

[00:24:52] Stephen Fenech: That’s crazy.

[00:24:52] Trevor Long: Plus I can press the— and it looks the same shape as the fast forward button.

[00:24:59] Stephen Fenech: Ah, it’s actually fast forwarding. That’s cool.

[00:25:02] Trevor Long: Now you got to eject it because honestly it’ll keep playing just forever.

[00:25:06] Stephen Fenech: It’s a strange app. You’ve already answered this question. Like, why doesn’t— why aren’t there apps that can do that on the Samsung Fold 8? Yeah, because they don’t make the software.

[00:25:15] Trevor Long: Oh yes. All these things, people will make these things. Let me show you my favorite thing. This will be in my review. This is insane. It’s an app called Toasty. Okay, Toasty. So it’s a game. I’ll turn the volume down because we don’t need it. But it’s one of those like cooking games. People might be familiar with it. You get it. You get an order and you’ve got to fulfill the order. The order says white bread. Cool. It says 2 slices of cheese. It says white bread and it says butter on the outside, right? So you butter, you’re gonna make a grilled cheese, right? And then you go grill. And what happens is the animation for people not watching shows it going on to the grill.

[00:25:43] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you gotta close it.

[00:25:44] Trevor Long: Then I’ve gotta close it. And it’s like a toastie, it’s making a sound, it’s ticking. And what you gotta do is you gotta keep peeking in to see.

[00:25:51] Stephen Fenech: Oh, okay, see if it’s ready. Whether or not it’s grilled.

[00:25:53] Trevor Long: And then you keep peeking in and you go, I’m gonna serve it up.

[00:25:56] Stephen Fenech: Oh, that’s cute.

[00:25:56] Trevor Long: And you serve it up and you get a rating. That’s my best ever. 4.5. And it’s funny because I left it for like 2 minutes the first time thinking it was like a real toaster and I burnt the hell out of it. But you know what? Yeah, well, it is fun. Yeah. Someone had a fun time with that.

[00:26:12] Stephen Fenech: It’s— I think that’s where— I think that’s where Apple’s going to be, going to be ahead of Samsung where— because they make the software, they make the hardware, they make the chip. Right. So they’ve got the holy trinity right there. Right. Chip, hardware, software.

[00:26:27] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:26:27] Stephen Fenech: That’s going to be where they pull ahead.

[00:26:30] Trevor Long: I found an app that I can show people at TopDown. So this is Arlo, our great sponsors. Yes. You know, I haven’t received a test flight of this. So you see what I mean by it’s just an iPhone in the middle. And so what you can do is expand it so it’s bigger, but it’s still—

[00:26:44] Stephen Fenech: But that’s just until they do it.

[00:26:46] Trevor Long: That’s until they— So what will happen is Arlo will move this menu here over there. They’ll expand all that.

[00:26:52] Stephen Fenech: Make use of the screen.

[00:26:53] Trevor Long: And they’ll make use of the screen.

[00:26:54] Stephen Fenech: But you know what, the best—

[00:26:56] Trevor Long: it also, by the way, never turns off when you shut it. It’s always ready to use still.

[00:26:59] Stephen Fenech: Of course. Yeah. Okay. So you got to quit the app inside before you close it or

[00:27:04] Trevor Long: you

[00:27:04] Stephen Fenech: got to turn the

[00:27:04] Trevor Long: phone off.

[00:27:05] Stephen Fenech: What? Oh, it’s always running.

[00:27:07] Trevor Long: The phone is always running

[00:27:08] Stephen Fenech: unless you,

[00:27:09] Trevor Long: you click them off. Unless you let it— no, no. Like when— like Arlo then. So if I open up an app in here, so I open up— where’s Arlo gone? So I’ve got Arlo open. When I shut the phone, it’s not locked. It’s still open for me to use, which I’m pretty sure doesn’t happen on a Samsung phone. No, it doesn’t. Because I’ve many times gone, oh, I still want to use it.

[00:27:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it locks. Yeah. And also it sometimes doesn’t represent— doesn’t recreate it.

[00:27:31] Trevor Long: And I’m like, I wanted to keep using that.

[00:27:32] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, that’s an Android thing.

[00:27:33] Trevor Long: Now I’ve looked in the settings, I’ve not found anything about the open and shut triggers. Like, there’s nothing in here that says I can take a phone call and then go like that. Why would you anyway? Because you take the phone call.

[00:27:44] Stephen Fenech: Have you taken a phone call? My understanding is if you take— if it’s closed and you take a phone call, you can call— you can talk on it. If you open it, it puts it on speaker.

[00:27:53] Trevor Long: Let’s try it.

[00:27:54] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, ring me right now. That’s what happens.

[00:27:56] Trevor Long: I’ve not opened it. I’ve had the phone ring while it’s open and I’ve shut it and answered it.

[00:28:01] Stephen Fenech: Okay, well leave it open.

[00:28:02] Trevor Long: Okay, so we’re going to go close. You’re going to ring and then I’m going to open it to answer. Is that what you’re saying?

[00:28:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so let open and then it should put it on speaker.

[00:28:11] Trevor Long: Okay, there’ll be a lot of wonderful— do you have my number, you dimwit?

[00:28:14] Stephen Fenech: Here we go, coming in.

[00:28:15] Trevor Long: Oh, that’s funny.

[00:28:16] Stephen Fenech: Coming in hot.

[00:28:17] Trevor Long: Oh, look at you.

[00:28:18] Stephen Fenech: Oh, what a handsome— who’s that? Oh, it’s me. Hello?

[00:28:22] Trevor Long: It did not answer automatically, but it did put you on speakerphone.

[00:28:27] Stephen Fenech: Is that you, Trev?

[00:28:28] Trevor Long: But it didn’t answer automatically.

[00:28:29] Stephen Fenech: No, no, I think if you did answer it— so I’ll try again.

[00:28:32] Trevor Long: No, no, I did. I answered it and it went on speakerphone instantly.

[00:28:35] Stephen Fenech: No, but when you’re, when you’re on the front screen, if you answered it on the front and then decided at that point to open it,

[00:28:41] Trevor Long: yeah, it’ll go into

[00:28:42] Stephen Fenech: speakerphone mode.

[00:28:43] Trevor Long: But I haven’t— look, there’s probably a million settings, right? And I haven’t dug into all of them, of course, because how could you? You. But it’s likely maybe there’s a feature in, in phone that allows you to determine those things because some people might hate—

[00:28:55] Stephen Fenech: who’s going to hold that thing up to their ear?

[00:28:57] Trevor Long: True.

[00:28:58] Stephen Fenech: I’m not.

[00:28:59] Trevor Long: No,

[00:29:00] Stephen Fenech: of course you’re going to put it on speaker.

[00:29:01] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:29:02] Stephen Fenech: And I suppose if you shut it, it would have put it back on the— it’ll be put it back on the phone again.

[00:29:06] Trevor Long: There’s nothing in the phone settings that talks about open, close, fold options.

[00:29:11] Stephen Fenech: Interesting.

[00:29:12] Trevor Long: Duo options or anything like that.

[00:29:14] Stephen Fenech: Now, um, Do you notice it’s— I think first thing I noticed when I picked it up, I said, wow, that’s heavy. It’s a heavy phone.

[00:29:21] Trevor Long: It doesn’t feel heavy.

[00:29:22] Stephen Fenech: It’s heavier than the Pro Max. It’s like 3 or 4 grams heavier than the Pro Max iPhone 18 Pro Max.

[00:29:28] Trevor Long: I don’t notice the 3 or 4 grams. Yeah. Most people I showed it to say it’s way thinner than they thought it would be.

[00:29:33] Stephen Fenech: Thinner?

[00:29:34] Trevor Long: Yes. Right. Closed.

[00:29:35] Stephen Fenech: Is it as thin as the Fold 8? Lovely number. We should have one to compare it.

[00:29:40] Trevor Long: There’s one coming in an Uber right now.

[00:29:42] Stephen Fenech: Is there really? Yeah.

[00:29:43] Trevor Long: I’m looking at the table out the front. It might actually be sitting there, if I’m honest. Yeah, that’s really annoying. Yeah, I think it’s sitting on the table out the front.

[00:29:50] Stephen Fenech: Is it really? Yeah. How can you tell?

[00:29:52] Trevor Long: I see the table bottom right here. We’re looking at the security cameras, folks. I can see there’s definitely a bag out there. Okay.

[00:29:56] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, grab it, go grab it. I’ll keep talking.

[00:30:00] Trevor Long: All right, you talk amongst yourself.

[00:30:01] Stephen Fenech: All right, now for my first impression, when I first got in my hand, as I mentioned, I thought, wow, it’s a little bit on the heavy side. But I think one, one look, when, when you get this in your hand, everyone’s going to have the same reaction. They’re going to go, wow, it is slick. That’s the word that comes to mind. It’s very slick design-wise. It’s pure Apple. And that, that animation is just incredible too. So, and I, I do like the fact too, what we haven’t mentioned, maybe go the top-down screen again.

[00:30:32] Trevor Long: Okay, stand by.

[00:30:33] Stephen Fenech: How to see the back of The, um, this has got the, uh, anti-reflective screen on it, the coating. And what do they call it?

[00:30:41] Trevor Long: Nanotexture.

[00:30:41] Stephen Fenech: The nanotexture. And oh, hang on, you could just see— oh, in the light, you can just see the crease. Just see it in the light. Yeah. So yes, we do have the Fold 8. Breaking news.

[00:30:54] Trevor Long: Thank you, uh, to Samsung’s team for their efficiency.

[00:30:58] Stephen Fenech: We do have— I asked for this. Here we go. Okay.

[00:31:01] Trevor Long: There we go. All right,

[00:31:03] Stephen Fenech: righto. So here we’ve got the comparison. There you go, there’s the duo up here.

[00:31:09] Trevor Long: So size-wise, utterly and remarkably similar.

[00:31:12] Stephen Fenech: Pretty similar.

[00:31:14] Trevor Long: Yeah, you know, with—

[00:31:14] Stephen Fenech: I can put them side by side. There you go.

[00:31:16] Trevor Long: The height of the Samsung is, is more,

[00:31:18] Stephen Fenech: slightly more,

[00:31:19] Trevor Long: slightly taller.

[00:31:20] Stephen Fenech: But now let’s just go like for like. So the inside screens here, so that’s Samsung v the iPhone. And, and look what Samsung doesn’t have is the nano texture. So look how reflective that is.

[00:31:31] Trevor Long: But also give them credit, you can’t see the crease at all.

[00:31:33] Stephen Fenech: In that bloody thing.

[00:31:34] Trevor Long: It’s also never been folded.

[00:31:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, true. But give— move yours around so it doesn’t catch any as— where as near as much light. Although this isn’t turned on. Can I turn it on?

[00:31:45] Trevor Long: No, well, it’ll have to be booted up and everything, so that’s painful.

[00:31:48] Stephen Fenech: Um, but fold her up.

[00:31:50] Trevor Long: Here’s the big difference, right? A big, big, big difference. And it’s an interesting thing that you might not know. Um, this— so you can see the different sizes, the screens, right? This is slightly, um,

[00:32:02] Stephen Fenech: slightly

[00:32:02] Trevor Long: wider. This is slightly taller.

[00:32:03] Stephen Fenech: Can I put them just behind, just on top of each other?

[00:32:06] Trevor Long: There you go.

[00:32:06] Stephen Fenech: So they’re about the same width, yep,

[00:32:08] Trevor Long: right? But the Samsung is taller,

[00:32:10] Stephen Fenech: slightly taller.

[00:32:11] Trevor Long: But here’s the thing, there’s a, there’s a rhyme to the reason, or reason to the rhyme. This, the aspect ratio of this screen,

[00:32:18] Stephen Fenech: yeah,

[00:32:19] Trevor Long: is 1 to the square root of 2 or something like that, right?

[00:32:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:32:23] Trevor Long: but it’s, it’s the exact same aspect ratio as that.

[00:32:26] Stephen Fenech: Right,

[00:32:27] Trevor Long: so you know when you’ve got an A4 sheet of paper? Grab me that A4 sheet of paper. So, and I— this, it’s the exact same aspect ratio as this. Yeah, and there’s a reason. Can you guess what it is?

[00:32:38] Stephen Fenech: For websites? Nope, not at all.

[00:32:41] Trevor Long: It’s because when you do this to an A4 sheet of paper,

[00:32:43] Stephen Fenech: it folds in perfectly in half,

[00:32:45] Trevor Long: and it’s the exact same aspect ratio.

[00:32:47] Stephen Fenech: Okay, I see.

[00:32:47] Trevor Long: So whatever content you make for this,

[00:32:50] Stephen Fenech: yeah, it’s going to work.

[00:32:52] Trevor Long: Works Works for that.

[00:32:54] Stephen Fenech: But so how does the Samsung then work? They’re two different aspect ratios.

[00:32:58] Trevor Long: No, the inside screen is like 1:1 broadly. It’s almost square. And the outside screen is, you know, a widescreen.

[00:33:05] Stephen Fenech: The inside screen of that one is—

[00:33:07] Trevor Long: is nowhere near— nowhere near as wide as that is the point, right? Okay. They’re two vastly different aspect ratios.

[00:33:15] Stephen Fenech: I see.

[00:33:16] Trevor Long: And I think Apple’s belief is that this helps people create content and apps that will work.

[00:33:22] Stephen Fenech: And that’s— I think it adds to the continuity. Your brain, I think, subconsciously thinks,

[00:33:26] Trevor Long: okay, so when you’re, when you’re looking at this, you’re looking at the exact same aspect ratio.

[00:33:31] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, as that,

[00:33:32] Trevor Long: as that.

[00:33:32] Stephen Fenech: Ah, it makes sense. It

[00:33:34] Trevor Long: makes exact same.

[00:33:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Okay, hold on, hold that in your hand again. So that’s the comparison. Oh, where are we? Come over here,

[00:33:41] Trevor Long: come over here, come over here. Yeah.

[00:33:44] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, the top-down is probably the go there.

[00:33:46] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think it probably is.

[00:33:48] Stephen Fenech: So yeah, they’re quite similar. Let’s go, uh, thickness. Oh, catch! Let’s go side-on.

[00:33:55] Trevor Long: Side-on.

[00:33:57] Stephen Fenech: So

[00:33:57] Trevor Long: I go, go screen to screen so that, um, turn it around so that we can put them literally side by side. Yeah, I mean, mate, there’s bugger all in it.

[00:34:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, there’s not much.

[00:34:05] Trevor Long: I don’t know where my calipers are.

[00:34:07] Stephen Fenech: I’d say, um, I reckon the Samsung might be slightly thinner there. Are you going to measure it?

[00:34:14] Trevor Long: Why not?

[00:34:15] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you got your digital calipers, have you?

[00:34:17] Trevor Long: No, they’re dead and I couldn’t be bothered changing the battery. Never mind, that was a good, good chat.

[00:34:23] Stephen Fenech: So grab the Duo.

[00:34:25] Trevor Long: So you think the Samsung’s slightly thinner?

[00:34:26] Stephen Fenech: I think it’s slightly thinner.

[00:34:27] Trevor Long: The specs are online, man, it’s heaps thinner. Yeah, it’s half. Yeah, it’s like 0.3 of a millimeter easily thinner. But remember, both have camera bumps. Yeah, so which are—

[00:34:36] Stephen Fenech: well, let’s put them from on there, put them on the screen down so we can see the camera bumps.

[00:34:40] Trevor Long: Screen down.

[00:34:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so there’s the camera bumps as well. There you go, both decent. Look, similar.

[00:34:47] Trevor Long: You could argue that having the square edges of this screen gives you more screen because these are rounded and you’re losing a bit of the screen, mate. Yeah, this is a much lighter device. The Samsung is way, way lighter.

[00:34:56] Stephen Fenech: Of course it is, like way

[00:34:58] Trevor Long: lighter.

[00:34:58] Stephen Fenech: But does this not bother you too? Does this get on your OCD that you got square and then curved?

[00:35:03] Trevor Long: No, not at all.

[00:35:04] Stephen Fenech: Like, does that not, uh, I think some people might— that might disturb some people. People that it’s not squared up here and round there, like, whereas the Samsung is consistent.

[00:35:13] Trevor Long: I think we— like, to be clear, Apple, Apple’s phone— I’ll say Apple’s phone is better than Samsung’s, okay?

[00:35:20] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:35:21] Trevor Long: Physically, Samsung’s is better on weight.

[00:35:24] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:35:25] Trevor Long: Um, and thinness, but those two things don’t make the overall picture. I think the nano texture display on the inside is— it’s absolute game changer, not just for the, for crease. But for daytime use and outdoor use, it’s a game changer. It’s why I think that every television should be sold with a glare-free finish.

[00:35:45] Stephen Fenech: Well, it’s, it’s funny, I think I’ve said this before. I, I got my— I got the MacBook Pro here and the iPads with the nano texture. I don’t think I can use a device without it now.

[00:35:54] Trevor Long: I know,

[00:35:55] Stephen Fenech: um, it’s like power steering on your car. You’re not going to go back to it.

[00:35:58] Trevor Long: You will be the same with the Fold. You’ll be like, if Samsung don’t release nano texture or the glare-free display next year, which we know they know how to do because they do it on their TVs. If they don’t do that next year, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Yeah, because it’s smart. Not just because it hides the crease, okay, but because it’s a better user experience.

[00:36:14] Stephen Fenech: So, um, other question for you. So in, in the— what did you say was 60/40, the 70/30 open to closed? Yep. When you were open,

[00:36:23] Trevor Long: yeah,

[00:36:24] Stephen Fenech: were you using the phone more landscape? Yeah, I feel like landscape portrait.

[00:36:30] Trevor Long: Like, I wrote an article this morning on the— for the website using WordPress, and you would know that. And I— it didn’t—

[00:36:36] Stephen Fenech: oh, you didn’t feel good on the device?

[00:36:37] Trevor Long: Didn’t feel good.

[00:36:38] Stephen Fenech: So you were on that big screen trying to multitask?

[00:36:41] Trevor Long: Now, I did it in Chrome, which is not properly optimized, perhaps.

[00:36:44] Stephen Fenech: Right.

[00:36:45] Trevor Long: Yeah, why don’t you Safari for that? That’s all.

[00:36:48] Stephen Fenech: Um, oh, so you tried to edit your website on that big screen?

[00:36:51] Trevor Long: I wrote an article, inserted images, everything on the inner screen.

[00:36:54] Stephen Fenech: Using that? Yeah. Okay. And that’s part of your review. And, uh, I noticed too that Apple says you can only run 2 apps at a time. On the center screen.

[00:37:02] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:37:02] Stephen Fenech: Whereas the Samsung can do up to 3.

[00:37:04] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I’ll

[00:37:05] Stephen Fenech: give you how the pairings go. I think that was very clever. How? And I think Samsung does this so you can save the pairings.

[00:37:11] Trevor Long: I haven’t done it once because you know what? I’ve not used a split screen once.

[00:37:14] Stephen Fenech: Really?

[00:37:15] Trevor Long: No, it doesn’t feel like that.

[00:37:16] Stephen Fenech: Watch it live.

[00:37:17] Trevor Long: Well, no, no. Let me, let me show you probably the greatest example of the increased space that I’ve found. Edits by Instagram. Okay, so you’re editing a video, you’ve got this. So in this version, yeah, because on a normal phone, if you’re making a video that’s, you know, tall, yeah, portrait video for Reels, everything’s on the

[00:37:37] Stephen Fenech: bottom,

[00:37:38] Trevor Long: everything’s down here. So you, you use your actual video is quite small. Now I’ve got the full view here. Oh yeah, and I’ve got the timeline here. Ah, it’s beautiful.

[00:37:46] Stephen Fenech: That’s smart.

[00:37:47] Trevor Long: This is beautiful, mate, because it’s easy to clip and do and do all your stuff. Everything you need to do is here, mate. This is great.

[00:37:57] Stephen Fenech: And what is that?

[00:37:58] Trevor Long: Instagram? It’s just Instagram’s edits. Oh, wow. So now CapCut, TikTok’s version has not been updated, but see, I’m a big mobile—

[00:38:05] Stephen Fenech: Is there a mobile TikTok CapCut?

[00:38:06] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:38:07] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:38:07] Trevor Long: So I’m a—

[00:38:07] Stephen Fenech: What about iMovie? Is that on it? Is it on there?

[00:38:10] Trevor Long: Haven’t opened it.

[00:38:11] Stephen Fenech: So that would be optimized.

[00:38:12] Trevor Long: I think that would be optimized. That would be too, but you gotta remember, so I’m a mobile creator. If I’m making a TikTok or something, I’m filming it on my phone and I’m editing it on the phone. I’m turning around. Yeah, Jeff’s an influencer. It doesn’t need to be done on a computer.

[00:38:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right.

[00:38:25] Trevor Long: This is a game changer for creators. This is beautiful.

[00:38:29] Stephen Fenech: Well, but, but there’s the, there’s the irony, right? The irony is that you mentioned that this is really easy for content creators, yet the cameras are iPhone Air standard.

[00:38:40] Trevor Long: They’re better than iPhone Air because you’ve got a wide.

[00:38:42] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but you don’t have a telephoto either.

[00:38:44] Trevor Long: Who’s using the telephoto for content creation?

[00:38:45] Stephen Fenech: I don’t know, but I think if you’re content creator—

[00:38:48] Trevor Long: I think if an Instagrammer, content creator who was real with themselves, they’re rarely using the, um, yeah, maybe the, the Zoom for their content.

[00:38:55] Stephen Fenech: But would you agree that the Duo, ideal content creation editing tool? Yes,

[00:39:01] Trevor Long: yes.

[00:39:01] Stephen Fenech: But the capture of that content is better done on the Pro. So you sort of six of one, half a dozen of the other. You sort of— you— that’s the trade-off.

[00:39:11] Trevor Long: Depends. You, you could, you could look at it this way and go, um, something that you see, you might see a lot of ads for those stupid second screen things that, you know, stick on the back of your phone. So if I make this go like that, then, you know, content creation-wise, uh, I can now see what I’m looking like in the screen.

[00:39:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, okay.

[00:39:33] Trevor Long: The problem, dear influencers, is when you do this, you end up looking in the wrong spot because everyone pegs themselves. They look at themselves in the picture, the camera, and not the lens. It’ll look like you’re looking away.

[00:39:44] Stephen Fenech: Rookie.

[00:39:45] Trevor Long: Now I want to show people what I showed you earlier. Yeah, but it’s with the camera. Maybe I’m, maybe I’m wrong here, but so I choose aspect ratio and I have retained settings, so it always does it in this aspect ratio. So when you open the camera, first and foremost, you get this full—

[00:40:01] Stephen Fenech: yep,

[00:40:01] Trevor Long: 4:3 is what they call the, the picture.

[00:40:04] Stephen Fenech: So that’s your portrait.

[00:40:05] Trevor Long: But I want, I want 16:9. I want all my photos to be in 16:9. Now whether I shoot in landscape landscape. So I’m shooting in landscape there. Yeah. Or I shoot in portrait, so I’ll flick it up. It’s always going to be, you know, letterboxes on the screen. But okay, I’m going to open it up, I’m going to shoot a landscape photo.

[00:40:21] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Okay, it’s still in portrait, mate. Stuck in the middle.

[00:40:24] Trevor Long: What the hell’s going on here? If I’m taking a video or a photo, why is it portrait? And to take a landscape photo, I’ve got to turn it around. Yeah. Why can’t I get—

[00:40:34] Stephen Fenech: but you don’t get the effect on your screen. You should have a bigger view, bigger image on the screen.

[00:40:38] Trevor Long: I don’t understand why I I can’t get the wider—

[00:40:41] Stephen Fenech: that is weird.

[00:40:42] Trevor Long: I can’t see why I can’t use the whole bloody real estate.

[00:40:44] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:40:44] Trevor Long: for the photo

[00:40:45] Stephen Fenech: you can on the Fold. Fold 8 gives you the whole screen. Yeah, and so does the, the Fold 8 Ultra.

[00:40:51] Trevor Long: It bugs me. Yeah, bugs me a fair bit.

[00:40:53] Stephen Fenech: There’s nothing in the settings that you can—

[00:40:55] Trevor Long: not that I could see.

[00:40:56] Stephen Fenech: No, I mean not in the cameras, they’re in the settings.

[00:40:59] Trevor Long: Not that I could find.

[00:40:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:40:59] Trevor Long: well, again, I could be— this is the— I’ve got to be clear, folks, we’re dealing here with update, you know, pre-release. How many people have got this product right now to muck around with? And we’re all learning as we go. And at 11 o’clock tomorrow night, or last night for you listening, you go, what did everyone else think? What did I miss? Or what did they miss that I picked up? Or what did I say that’s actually wrong? It’s very hard. And because inside baseball with Apple, they ring you and they go, how’s it going? And I actually said to them, I said, I’ve got these bits of feedback and it’s all about the apps mainly. And you know, that’s going to come up in my review. That’s going to come up.

[00:41:38] Stephen Fenech: Of course it is.

[00:41:39] Trevor Long: I want you to know it’s not going to be a 5-star review.

[00:41:41] Stephen Fenech: But it’s early. It’s early days. So, okay, well, I’ll ask you then. Well, like right now, gun to your head, rating out of 10, what would you give it?

[00:41:48] Trevor Long: So I do design, usability, performance, and value for money is how I do my ratings. Always the same 4 things for every product. The rest of the AFTM team have ignored that and they do their own thing. Anyway, that’s what I do. So design is going to be like, let’s call it 100.

[00:42:02] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:42:04] Trevor Long: Performance, let’s call it 100, maybe no, let’s call it 90, 92 because it doesn’t have the extra camera, right? Yep. Usability, yeah, at time of review, yeah, is going to be in the 80s because of those app issues. Okay. And value for money is going to be low.

[00:42:17] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:42:18] Trevor Long: Because I’m not sure there’s value for money in it. So it’s going to end up being, I think, a high 80s out of 100 review.

[00:42:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right.

[00:42:25] Trevor Long: That’d be my— I don’t do the calculations.

[00:42:27] Stephen Fenech: So by the time you’re watching this, your review would be already already posted. So let’s see how faithful Trevor was to his,

[00:42:32] Trevor Long: uh, I feel pretty

[00:42:33] Stephen Fenech: confident about that. Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:34] Trevor Long: Okay, I’ll just quickly— and this is, by the way, I’ve never made more notes really while doing reviewing

[00:42:40] Stephen Fenech: a product. Wow.

[00:42:40] Trevor Long: Yeah, like I open up an Apple Note and I went, just things I’ve got to remember. And my number one thing was cart before the horse, because that’s what it is. It’s the, yeah, it’s the cart before the app horse.

[00:42:50] Stephen Fenech: If you build it, they will come. That’s the theory. This field, they’ll come.

[00:42:53] Trevor Long: Do you remember? And I told Tim Cook this, the Vision Pro was the greatest piece of technology I’ve ever experienced, but I don’t know why I need to use

[00:42:59] Stephen Fenech: it for. Yeah. And what I hoped was that

[00:42:59] Trevor Long: over the people would build things for it. It hasn’t happened. Yeah, this I know will. Yeah, I know things will come.

[00:43:08] Stephen Fenech: We had a lot— how many of those emails we had? Exactly, right? Asking, oh, you know, the Duo— our Duo app is ready. And yeah,

[00:43:15] Trevor Long: Touch ID. I think on this show, if we check the transcripts, I’ve probably said I wish I had Touch ID a million times because I used to love it. It was so quick and I felt like it was faster to pay for things and all that. That’s what you got here, but But I regret it. But the number of times I just wish it would recognize me, and I’m just like, why can’t it? Why can’t they fit a freaking Face ID in here? Like, what is going on? I think especially the new under-screen one.

[00:43:38] Stephen Fenech: For you and me who’ve used the folds of Samsung folds over the years, which has always been Touch ID, that wasn’t such a big transition for us.

[00:43:48] Trevor Long: No,

[00:43:48] Stephen Fenech: but here’s where if you’re coming in raw, coming in hot with this without any previous fold experience, let’s call it you’re going to think, hang on a minute, what’s this Touch ID business?

[00:43:57] Trevor Long: Let me tell you this. My first advice to people who buy this is you’re going to hold it like this and you’re going to register this, right? Then you’re going to hold it like this, register this, your middle finger, because that’s actually a really convenient thing to do because you expect you hold your phone and Face ID. No, no, think middle finger. And then you want to register your index finger as well, uh, on this end.

[00:44:16] Stephen Fenech: Do them all.

[00:44:17] Trevor Long: Yeah, pretty much. But honestly, yeah, it needs Face ID. Yeah, second generation needs Face ID.

[00:44:23] Stephen Fenech: Why didn’t it have, you reckon?

[00:44:25] Trevor Long: I don’t know, especially given they, they created— maybe they created too late the under-screen Face ID on the, on the 18.

[00:44:31] Stephen Fenech: Would it be possible, say, say you pick up the phone, the front screen’s locked, how about if you open it up and it just hits your face and does the Face ID? Would that, would that have been—

[00:44:41] Trevor Long: I think it’d be easy to put Face ID under the front screen, unlock it

[00:44:44] Stephen Fenech: at the

[00:44:45] Trevor Long: get-go, and then, yeah. By the way, there’s 4 cameras on this. 2 on the back, 1 on the front, and 1 inside. Like, it’s an excessive amount of cameras. So Face ID, I didn’t love. Here’s a crazy one: doesn’t fit in any cup holder. So in your car, that’s where I put my phone. Yeah, I always just throw my phone in the cup.

[00:45:01] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:45:02] Trevor Long: Yeah, bloody thing doesn’t fit in any of them.

[00:45:03] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, true, true.

[00:45:04] Trevor Long: So it’s a silly observation.

[00:45:05] Stephen Fenech: What about— that’s it— charging? Um, MagSafe. MagSafe is there, works good. Yeah, it works great charging. And we haven’t spoken about the battery life. Excellent. Yeah.

[00:45:13] Trevor Long: Yeah, excellent. I did some like, I probably would struggle to find the screenshots quick enough, but I did. So I did a lot of 3 AM mornings this week and end of the day stuff, mate.

[00:45:24] Stephen Fenech: Sensational. So still going strong.

[00:45:26] Trevor Long: Put it this way, way better than the Air if that’s your benchmark for that’s a just get through the day kind of thing.

[00:45:32] Stephen Fenech: Benchmark would be the Pro.

[00:45:33] Trevor Long: Well, no, it’s not. That’s, I think that’s a bad benchmark.

[00:45:35] Stephen Fenech: But yeah, well, the battery capacity, apparently someone revealed that it’s like 4,500 or something roughly. Roughly.

[00:45:41] Trevor Long: Okay, so here’s a day, Friday, 9 PM, it’s at 16%. That is 12 plus, that’s 18 hours.

[00:45:52] Stephen Fenech: Okay, it’s not bad.

[00:45:53] Trevor Long: It’s very good. That’s pretty good. I think that’s very good.

[00:45:55] Stephen Fenech: And you still had how much? 19%. 19%. That’s great.

[00:45:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah. I think that’s, that’s a win.

[00:45:59] Stephen Fenech: So it’s like day and a half battery life, you’re saying? Yeah, like work, work day.

[00:46:03] Trevor Long: And then obviously we didn’t mention this, but it is worth noting because I did make a note of it in my review. The KidCue animations. I did this with my, my great-niece was up on the weekend and I was, you know, trying to get her to smile for photos. It is cool. It is simple.

[00:46:17] Stephen Fenech: Got her attention. I’ll use that with my grandson Jack.

[00:46:21] Trevor Long: But yeah, the other thing about Touch ID, sorry, is I had to put my PIN in so many times because just holding the phone and it thinks you’re unlocking it. Things you try to touch. Touch ID, Apple’s Touch ID is so good good, but it’s constantly thinking it’s trying to be used, right? So I’m like, I know, too many attempts putting your PIN. I’m like, bloody hell, what are we doing here?

[00:46:41] Stephen Fenech: Now, how much is of your reviews going to be just on the Duo, or are you going to have some comparisons?

[00:46:48] Trevor Long: Uh, I’m just going to go on the, uh, so my written review will just be about the Duo. Yeah, here’s what it is like, whatever. But I think my video may be the longest video I’ve ever done because I, I haven’t even— I probably— what have we done? We’ve done 45 minutes here already.

[00:47:00] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah. Here’s the video.

[00:47:05] Trevor Long: I could easily talk this long again.

[00:47:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:47:07] Trevor Long: so yeah, yeah, I don’t think you need to compare them,

[00:47:10] Stephen Fenech: you know. I agree. Now whenever I do reviews, I never compare. I review on its merits and that’s it. No comparison.

[00:47:16] Trevor Long: Find me more than one person who’s thinking, which one should I get, Samsung or Apple?

[00:47:20] Stephen Fenech: They’re not. But there’s going to be— I’ve seen a lot of people on social media comparing them, have been since they announced it.

[00:47:26] Trevor Long: I think Samsung forever will be given credit for creating. Yeah, this, wherever this ends up going as a trajectory, this market. Sorry, I had the camera on me that whole time. Samsung deserves the credit for creating that. And I think in my— I’ve started writing my 9News review already. The— you got to remember that this is a first generation. It doesn’t feel like it. It feels, mate, this feels like fifth generation.

[00:47:49] Stephen Fenech: That’s, that’s the other chatter online is that I’m going to wait for version 2.

[00:47:53] Trevor Long: And this, mate, this is version 4 at least, right? I’m sure there was hundreds of iterations in their headquarters, but I think they waited until they got it right. As we talked about year after year after year with Samsung versus Apple, you got to remember we witnessed Samsung innovate year on year. Remember the wedge shape, you know?

[00:48:11] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:48:11] Trevor Long: Remember, remember how the front screen got bigger? All those things improved. We witnessed it happen in real time.

[00:48:17] Stephen Fenech: And do you remember weeks ago when, uh, when it was announced and I told you when like Greg Joswiak and John Ternus did an interview with Tom’s Guide and another guy and Greg Joswiak said this was the most secretive product we ever did. And somehow, you know, another company sort of got the hint of it and made it basically implying that, you know, Samsung somehow found out about our shape and made it. Well, I discovered a 20 2014 video by Samsung when the foldables— before foldables, there was like, there was a video of a guy where using a Samsung foldable device that looked exactly like that.

[00:49:01] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:49:02] Stephen Fenech: 2014. They said, oh wow, that’s impressive. Yeah, it’s a Samsung. And looked, I swear it was that form factor. So their prototype, this was a prototype as far back as 12 years ago.

[00:49:14] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:49:14] Stephen Fenech: So the thought that Apple might be, you know, Samsung sort of gave, they’ve sort of snuck in on them with their design. Well, they’ve got a video from 12 years ago to show that shape.

[00:49:26] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I don’t think it needs to be compared in that sense. I think the credit goes to Samsung for innovating so hard in the last 2 years.

[00:49:34] Stephen Fenech: Can we say fairly Samsung paved the road?

[00:49:37] Trevor Long: No question.

[00:49:38] Stephen Fenech: And Apple are driving on

[00:49:39] Trevor Long: it. And if you want to, if you want to, let’s do a quick comparison, right? Samsung needs to, they need to surprise and delight with software more. Yeah, Apple does that. Well,

[00:49:48] Stephen Fenech: they

[00:49:48] Trevor Long: do have

[00:49:49] Stephen Fenech: their One UI,

[00:49:49] Trevor Long: but just simple things like that, that opening effect, mate.

[00:49:52] Stephen Fenech: Well, you know how many instruction videos I’ve seen where you can do it, how to do that animation on a Samsung phone?

[00:49:58] Trevor Long: But Samsung needs to do something like that to make it feel better, right? Apple needs to learn how to make it thinner and lighter again because that, and cheaper. Picking this up, I’m feeling This is so much better to hold. This is so much better to hold in the hand now I’m holding it.

[00:50:10] Stephen Fenech: But the price is also, mate, $800 difference between these two devices. $800 cheaper. Samsung’s $800 cheaper, but it’s only $100 cheaper in America, so $100 US cheaper, $800 Australian cheaper. So that’s $1,899 in America, $1,999 America, $2,699 here, $3,499 here. So Apple have put it on a bit of margin there. Yeah, yeah. But I think too, Samsung, they’re going to benefit from this too because I reckon like your dyed-in-the-wool Android users will go, oh yeah, and they might sort of think, well yeah, that’s not a bad idea. And then look at Samsung, well, they got one here already.

[00:50:53] Trevor Long: There’ll be Apple fanboys going, ah, look at my foldable, and that person will go out the next week and go, mate, look at mine. What are you talking about?

[00:50:59] Stephen Fenech: I’ve had mine for 3 years.

[00:51:00] Trevor Long: Or they’ll go out and get one one for the first time and go, mate, you see, we’ve had them. Yeah, this is fine. It’s cheaper too.

[00:51:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:51:05] Trevor Long: So it’s fascinating.

[00:51:06] Stephen Fenech: And word is too, I hear, I understand Samsung with the release of the Fold 8 and the Fold 8 Ultra, they’ve had like a 40% increase in customers buying the folding devices.

[00:51:18] Trevor Long: They’re very happy with the Flip 2.

[00:51:19] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:51:20] Trevor Long: It used to be, it used to be Fold, call it the Ultra now, but it used to be the big form factor versus the Flip. You know, now it’s like, hello.

[00:51:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah. But the Fold 8 in this, this form factor is—

[00:51:29] Trevor Long: that’s right, it’s, it’s so much closer to the sales of the Fold 8 Ultra that they’re very, very happy.

[00:51:36] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Um, so like I had another question before we finish. Um, iPhone user coming to the Apple Store trying to work out what iPhone do I buy? Do I buy the Duo? Do I buy the 18 Pro Max or Pro? Now what someone asked me this online and I answered, I said, well look, if you’re into your photography iPhone

[00:51:56] Trevor Long: 18

[00:51:56] Stephen Fenech: Pro, then 18 Pro all day. But if you’re into your content, enjoying content, then the Duo. Would you agree with that?

[00:52:03] Trevor Long: I think so. I think so. If you love watching content and I think making content.

[00:52:07] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:52:08] Trevor Long: I do think,

[00:52:08] Stephen Fenech: okay, there’ll be, you know, editing content’s easier, you reckon?

[00:52:11] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think so.

[00:52:12] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:52:13] Trevor Long: I think it’s got some huge pluses. I think the delays of 3 months is amazing.

[00:52:18] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:52:18] Trevor Long: And I think that it’ll be fascinating to see how quickly these apps get rolled out. I’ve seen so many people show their Xcode renders of the apps being used, but I think a lot of them don’t want to release it until they’ve held it in their hand. Of course. I think that’s why it’s holding a lot of app developers back. Okay. But, you know, I was— I had a meeting with a guy from Reddit this week, and I said to him, I said, mate, just by the by, as I leave, if you’ve got developers on call, tell them to send me the TestFlight for your Reddit app, because I’m happy to tell them how it’s working. I’m happy to give them, you know, some feedback. But that’s the challenge, is developers don’t have the device. Yes. They’ve just got a screen simulation of it.

[00:52:51] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. So

[00:52:52] Trevor Long: it’s very, very weird because by the way, Apple spend a lot of time showing you how it can be used half open.

[00:52:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:52:59] Trevor Long: Like a book like this,

[00:53:00] Stephen Fenech: which I think is a feature missing on the Fold 8. I wish the Fold 8 did that.

[00:53:03] Trevor Long: Why the hell would you ever do that?

[00:53:05] Stephen Fenech: No, but I mean, like, you know how the flex modes and various things. Yeah. It’s a shame. I don’t think many apps do that with the Fold 8.

[00:53:10] Trevor Long: But they show how like an app could be on 3/4 of the screen and when you do this, it instantly pops to a half. And I’m like, who the hell needs that?

[00:53:17] Stephen Fenech: Who’s going to hold the phone like that?

[00:53:18] Trevor Long: Yeah, I don’t get that.

[00:53:19] Stephen Fenech: So yeah, I’m actually not getting mine. By the time you’re watching this, I would have already had mine, and my review is going to obviously go up next week. So, uh, but yours is already up, as you see.

[00:53:27] Trevor Long: Stephen’s review will be up 3 months before you get a phone, folks. Uh, so, uh, yeah, iPhone Duo, uh, good luck getting one. Good luck.

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[00:56:29] Trevor Long: All right, Stephen, uh, just for Bruce, let’s make this an Apple-only episode. Yeah, just for Bruce.

[00:56:35] Stephen Fenech: Bruce,

[00:56:35] Trevor Long: Love you, Bruce. Um, Apple is having an event next week in Los Angeles. Uh, the invite said— what did the invite say? Pro time? Pro, pro, and something.

[00:56:45] Stephen Fenech: Pro and pro and tell.

[00:56:47] Trevor Long: Pro, not show and tell.

[00:56:48] Stephen Fenech: Pro and tell. So does that automatically kill the rumor that there’s going to be called the MacBook Ultra? Do you remember we saw this was going to be the iPhone Ultra, right? And it was iPhone Duo.

[00:56:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think that’s dead in the water regardless, isn’t it?

[00:57:01] Stephen Fenech: Well, isn’t Is it— so what’s this going to be mainly? Is it a MacBook Pro launch? iPad as well? iPad Pro? Or—

[00:57:08] Trevor Long: oh, I feel like— oh, Intel— I feel like they’re going to go MacBook Pros, iPad Pros, and then maybe there’ll be some ancillary devices there. Like, okay, new iMac deserves an update. Like, that needs a new

[00:57:19] Stephen Fenech: iMac Pro. Oh wow, that’s been a

[00:57:22] Trevor Long: while,

[00:57:23] Stephen Fenech: mate. Imagine that.

[00:57:24] Trevor Long: Imagine an iMac 5 Ultra or something like that.

[00:57:26] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:57:27] Trevor Long: Oh, imagine a 32-inch iMac. Stop imagining things. If Mark Gurman Gurman hasn’t said it’s happening.

[00:57:32] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, MacRumors should be called MarkGurman.com.

[00:57:35] Trevor Long: Yeah, imagine he just bought into that. Uh, anyway, uh, so I think, so I think it’s about, it’s about bringing the new chipsets into the existing devices.

[00:57:42] Stephen Fenech: And what are we up to now? M6?

[00:57:45] Trevor Long: Oh, is it M6? Yeah, I don’t even know.

[00:57:47] Stephen Fenech: M6. Um, but isn’t, but isn’t like, there’s the M6, but isn’t the M5 Ultra and the M5 Max more powerful than the M6?

[00:57:54] Trevor Long: Yes, that’s right.

[00:57:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah.

[00:57:56] Trevor Long: So it’s going to be your base.

[00:57:57] Stephen Fenech: So are they going to have an M6 Ultra and M6 Max or anything now, or What,

[00:58:01] Trevor Long: uh, I don’t think so because it wouldn’t make sense now to do that given they’ve only just released the high-powered specs for, you know, the Studio and stuff like that. So no.

[00:58:15] Stephen Fenech: So, uh, percentage out of 10 chance of happening, touchscreen MacBook Pro?

[00:58:22] Trevor Long: Percentage out of 10? Yeah, I’d be at 7 myself normally, but no, but given everything we’ve heard, I think it’s a 10.

[00:58:29] Stephen Fenech: It’s a 9 or 9.5, I reckon. Yeah. Yeah, like, can you imagine a touchscreen Mac?

[00:58:37] Trevor Long: I struggle with it, but see, I think we said this the other week when we were talking about it, but it’s funny to me because when I see people— like, I was with a teacher, um, helping them learn some podcasting at their class, and I was fascinated to see her just, you know, happily scrolling through, honestly, and stuff.

[00:58:51] Stephen Fenech: Obviously Windows laptop.

[00:58:53] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’s right. And, and I, I just never have felt that inclination. Yeah, you got to remember, it’s not about everything being touchscreen. So people will bag, oh, the, the cross to close the windows or whatever. Don’t worry about all that stuff. You don’t— that’s what you use your mouse for. But you use your— you use it like this. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I think it’s an almost 10 out of 10 chance, mate.

[00:59:12] Stephen Fenech: Do you think it’s gonna also— like, see how we’ve got the MacBook Pro here, right? So my screen can only go back that far. Yeah. Do you reckon they’ll make it so the screen can go maybe flat?

[00:59:20] Trevor Long: No.

[00:59:20] Stephen Fenech: So you can do better? No, they’re not going to make it like it’s a convertible. So you don’t reckon the hinge won’t be more than this?

[00:59:28] Trevor Long: Why would be?

[00:59:29] Stephen Fenech: Because you can maybe lay it flat and sort of, if it’s flat on the surface, you know, it’s easier to get an iPad to do stuff. Well, isn’t that what the problem has been? That’s why they won’t go that far.

[00:59:41] Trevor Long: That’s why they won’t go that far,

[00:59:42] Stephen Fenech: okay,

[00:59:43] Trevor Long: I reckon. Okay, so they, they’re definitely in due for iPad Pros. They’re definitely due for this new MacBook if it’s coming.

[00:59:51] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:59:51] Trevor Long: I just think, would they do it?

[00:59:54] Stephen Fenech: Like, they can’t just have an event just for that. This. So you reckon iPad Pro? Are they due for an iPad Pro now?

[00:59:59] Trevor Long: I think this goes to that new look strategy. Let’s be real about it.

[01:00:03] Stephen Fenech: More releases more often.

[01:00:04] Trevor Long: Yes. And also, also taking advantage of the creator community, influencers, for announcements. You know, this is— let’s be really clear, I think if this was 2 years ago, definitely one, but sorry, not, not guaranteed one, but certainly 2, 3 years ago, this is a pretty press release. This is an email. Yeah, this event is an email. True. But today—

[01:00:26] Stephen Fenech: yeah, when’s the last time they had an event for a laptop? I can’t remember. It’s either, it’s either a phone or WWDC. Like, what other event have they had? Like, recently they had— well, it wasn’t really like a keynote and everything. They had the Home event.

[01:00:41] Trevor Long: Yes, but see, that was, that was in New York at the— did you ever go? Were you in New York that year? I went to this thing to look at their AR, augmented reality stuff, at an IKEA.

[01:00:50] Stephen Fenech: Yes, I was there. You know that 3-story Yes, I remember. I was with you.

[01:00:56] Trevor Long: They own that. Oh, well, yeah, because when I had to drop off my iPhone, the address, I went, hang on a minute, I recognize that. I went there. I went, you own this? It’s John Turnus’s New York apartment. She was a bit coy, but basically they own that. Okay, that—

[01:01:08] Stephen Fenech: I know exactly where I’ve been.

[01:01:09] Trevor Long: And, and because I saw some of the photos and videos and things, and I went, yep, I know that loft very well. And so I feel like they were just smartly taking advantage of that space. So they use it for retail. Colors and things probably as well. And I wonder whether LA’s the same, but I think, mate, I think it’s about engaging a different audience, a newer audience through creators and, you know, trying to expand that. And that’s why, why not have an event?

[01:01:31] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[01:01:31] Trevor Long: Because you know what? Creators are gushers. Good on ’em. Yeah. You know?

[01:01:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:01:36] Trevor Long: I’m happy to admit I get, I can swoon over these products ’cause they’re beautiful. Yeah. But at the same time I can be hypercritical of where it sits in the market and all that kind of stuff. So there’s a balance.

[01:01:47] Stephen Fenech: There is a balance. Well, you know, obviously a creator taking over to an event, they’re not going to, they’re not going to bag the product. They’re going to have nothing but glowing, beautiful videos and presentations. But yeah, I think they want to build that buzz and that’s probably a good way of doing it.

[01:02:02] Trevor Long: I think, I think it creates more buzz than a press release does, which is smart. Yeah. And that’s what they want. They want more people to see about these products. So yeah, I just think I wonder whether it’ll just be Macs and iPads though, and whether all the iPads, iMac stuff is just rumors

[01:02:16] Stephen Fenech: or— okay, it’d be interesting to see because Pro and Tel— Pro and Tel— well, that says to me MacBook Pro first of all. Yes, iPad Pro perhaps. And what else is it? The—

[01:02:26] Trevor Long: I just wonder, I saw a German reader—

[01:02:29] Stephen Fenech: an iMac as an update.

[01:02:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, mate, that’s probably running an M3 now, isn’t it?

[01:02:32] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it is.

[01:02:33] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’s old.

[01:02:34] Stephen Fenech: I think it might even be— no, I think M3. Yeah, I got— I bought two. I got two of them, colored ones. I’ve got one in my studio room and one in my office.

[01:02:42] Trevor Long: Yeah, Yeah, doing very well.

[01:02:44] Stephen Fenech: My second. I

[01:02:45] Trevor Long: bought two of them.

[01:02:47] Stephen Fenech: It was an end of financial year purchase. Yeah, gotcha. You know, the accounts.

[01:02:52] Trevor Long: Helping out the—

[01:02:53] Stephen Fenech: The accounts said, mate, it’d be good if you bought a few things now. I said, oh, okay.

[01:02:57] Trevor Long: Sidebar before we finish. I saw a clip of an interview with Jensen Huang, the NVIDIA, is that his name? The NVIDIA CEO.

[01:03:06] Stephen Fenech: The NVIDIA dude. Yep.

[01:03:08] Trevor Long: The multi-bazillionaire.

[01:03:09] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[01:03:10] Trevor Long: It was the most refreshing thing I’ve seen. I’m gonna try and track down the actual whole interview ’cause the lady asked her, there must be a vote in the midterms, the Proposition 40. And she said, most California billionaires are spending a lot of time and money campaigning against Proposition 40. Why are you the opposite? And he said, I don’t mind paying tax. And you know what he said to me? He said what you always say. If you’re paying tax, it means You’re doing okay. He goes, I’m happy to pay tax. She said to him, do you know it’s forecast you could pay $8 billion in tax in the next 5 years or something? He goes, you know what? I’m fortunate to be able to pay $8 billion. And you know what? I’m not afraid of paying tax. I’m afraid of being poor. And I

[01:03:51] Stephen Fenech: went, boom. That’s fair.

[01:03:53] Trevor Long: What a man.

[01:03:53] Stephen Fenech: That’s fair.

[01:03:54] Trevor Long: Big fan of that statement.

[01:03:57] Stephen Fenech: That concept. Yeah, well, that’s it. If you’re paying a lot of tax, it must mean you’re earning a lot of money.

[01:04:00] Trevor Long: Yeah. I thought that was really cool from a, A proper billionaire doing his best.

[01:04:04] Stephen Fenech: Whereas other companies that sell stuff in Australia pay hardly any tax.

[01:04:09] Trevor Long: Well, also this was a conversation about his personal tax. Didn’t go into how he’s operating the business. We don’t know how the business is structured and what they’re avoiding. But him personally, it would seem to be a conversation about his personal taxes.

[01:04:20] Stephen Fenech: Well, he’s not gonna dodge the tax, is he?

[01:04:22] Trevor Long: No, obviously not.

[01:04:23] Stephen Fenech: Doing very well.

[01:04:25] Trevor Long: And progress with the way it is. Look, welcome to the iPhone episode of Two Bucks.

[01:04:30] Stephen Fenech: Well, I think, mate, it’s a big enough product launch to dedicate that much time. Time to it because I think especially, I think this is going to bring a lot of people to the YouTube version of the show because they want to see this thing. Yeah, that’s so you guys who normally are hearing us, I reckon a great percentage of you probably would have watched this.

[01:04:48] Trevor Long: If you’re on Spotify, twist the phone, it’ll show you the video. Yeah, if you’re on Apple Podcasts, they’re working on it. I know, just to be clear, I know that you can watch videos on Apple Podcasts, but they use this proprietary, their own thing. It’s like like you have to do it their way through the iPhone. That’s BS.

[01:05:03] Stephen Fenech: You’ve got to film it with an iPhone.

[01:05:05] Trevor Long: But the people that we host with, which is owned by Spotify, are integrating with Apple Podcasts. So I believe at some point you will start to see these on Apple Podcasts.

[01:05:14] Stephen Fenech: My tip is the views on this one are going to be a tick above the regular number.

[01:05:19] Trevor Long: Well, I think we’ll just— that’s my prediction. I think we’ll call it the iPhone Duo review.

[01:05:23] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely, mate.

[01:05:24] Trevor Long: That’s what it’ll be called.

[01:05:25] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely.

[01:05:26] Trevor Long: Yeah. I mean, all right, let’s talk about it openly. Should we publish early? Should we publish it embargo?

[01:05:35] Stephen Fenech: Where embargo is tomorrow night.

[01:05:37] Trevor Long: I’ll move VFTM to Thursday.

[01:05:38] Stephen Fenech: Can we do that?

[01:05:39] Trevor Long: I’ll move VFTM to Thursday.

[01:05:40] Stephen Fenech: Well, don’t break the embargo, whatever you do.

[01:05:42] Trevor Long: No, mate. Thanks, buddy.

[01:05:43] Stephen Fenech: Don’t break the embargo. Sure. Why not? I reckon it’s a smart thing to do. That’s a great idea. So as soon as it’s out, we can, well then I can write about it too. Yeah.

[01:05:50] Trevor Long: Yeah, all right, why not? Done. It’s official, you’re watching this on Wednesday night or Thursday morning, uh, and you can hear the EFTM podcast unusually late on Thursday. Yeah, uh, thanks for listening, folks. Thanks to JBL and Arlo, we appreciate their support. We hope you support them. And Stephen, uh, I’ll speak to you next week. We’ll do a remote record next week. I’ll be in LA and, uh, we’ll talk— we won’t actually, it’ll be before— no, it’ll be after the event. I just, I found it, of course, diary time. We’ll do it after the Apple event but before the Thursday 5 PM.

[01:06:17] Stephen Fenech: Why be video though? Be just be audio. Just be audio.

[01:06:20] Trevor Long: All right, mate. Safe travels, mate. See you then.

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