The Best Movies You’ve Never Seen podcast – 10 Things I Hate About You

Episode: 10 Things I Hate About You
Podcast: Best Movies You’ve Never Seen
Date: 15 May 2026
Hosts: Stephen Fenech & Trevor Long

[00:01:43] Stephen Fenech: The Best Movies You’ve Never Seen. Welcome to our podcast, a movie podcast, movie podcast with a difference. The difference being that the movies that we talk about, I have seen them many times. My name is Steven Fenech, uh, but the other co-host Trevor Long has never seen it before.

[00:02:00] Trevor Long: That’s me.

[00:02:00] Stephen Fenech: Hence the name of the show. And also could be the case with many of you listening, you might not have seen the movies that we’re talking about either. So You can join in on the ride with Trevor. Trev, how you doing?

[00:02:10] Trevor Long: Very well, looking forward to this one.

[00:02:11] Stephen Fenech: We are watching 10 Things I Hate About You.

[00:02:15] Trevor Long: Hey, what is this, a movie podcast, or is this your— is this the Festivus?

[00:02:19] Stephen Fenech: No, this is, uh, airing of grievances, uh, released in 1999 starring Heath Ledger and Julia Stiles. This was, I think, the movie that launched Heath Ledger into— on the world stage, right? Uh, very young, very well-known Aussie actor, but then yeah, struck it. This was his first American movie.

[00:02:37] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:02:37] Stephen Fenech: Now this This is a film with a slight different— it is a— you, when you look at it from the outside, it looks like a teen, typical teen movie. But yes, there’s a massive difference. That difference being it’s based on a Shakespeare play, which is why the play is The Taming of the Shrew, and they’ve basically turned it into a teen version of the play. You’ll see throughout the show how that plays out and the similarities, but it was the original script when it was written The— it was much darker than what we saw in the original film. So there was references to like suicide attempts and all these things. It’s a pretty dark matter that’s in the film that they decided—

[00:03:23] Trevor Long: Can I ask an idiot’s question? Shakespeare normally darkish?

[00:03:27] Stephen Fenech: Well, this would be considered one of his comedies. Shakespeare is known for his comedies, tragedies, and historical, like, you know, be like Henry V was a historical. Like Hamlet would be a tragedy and Chaining of the Shrew and Twelfth Night, they’d be the comedies. So several of them.

[00:03:44] Trevor Long: “Tame Me the Shrew.” “Tame Me the Shrew” would be, is a comedy. And you’ll get to see that through, but the subtle reference to the Shrew in the show, right?

[00:03:50] Stephen Fenech: So the premise of the play is the same as the premise of the movie.

[00:03:54] Trevor Long: This was my Millionaire question last week, but I guess what I was fascinated by was whether it was like, like you know how they have an authorized biography? You know, like, is this, I was wondering going into it, are they leaning into that or are they just using it as a plot? And they went, okay. Oh no, they lean into it.

[00:04:12] Stephen Fenech: So as soon as they mentioned the Shrew couple of things.

[00:04:15] Trevor Long: I went, okay, we’re leaning into this.

[00:04:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but to the point where they even use the similar names of the characters in the Shakespeare play. The high school’s called Padua, that’s where the play was set.

[00:04:25] Trevor Long: Right, okay.

[00:04:26] Stephen Fenech: So, and I’ve got a section down later on where I compare what was in the Shakespeare play to the movie and tally it up. So we’ll give you a full reference to that. Um, the screenwriter, the co-screenwriter Karen McCullough, she said the title came from a diary entry she made in high school. 10 Things I Hate About You. And so the screenwriter, well, Karen McCullough wrote the movie with Kirsten Smith. This was their first screenplay. They went on to write Legally Blonde with Reese Witherspoon.

[00:04:54] Trevor Long: Oh, wow.

[00:04:55] Stephen Fenech: And The House Bunny as well in 2008. Now Gil Junger is the director. And when he was given the script for a teen version of The Taming of the Shrew, his first response was, “Absolutely not.” Oh wow. He thought, nah, that can’t, it can’t work. And he admitted later, of course, he said, and this is his quote, I had no interest in doing a typical high school film. I wanted to do a romantic love story, but at the urging of my agent, I read the script and I loved it. The depth of it surprised me. It really is a romantic love story. The plot is beautifully interwoven and the humor works because it comes from the characters. Okay, there you go. Now I mentioned Heath Ledger, his first, this was his first movie. Now according to Gil Junger, again After Heath Ledger’s first audition, so Heath had come in, auditioned, Jhunger turned to the casting director and this is his quote, “I’ve never wanted to sleep with a man, but if I had to, I would sleep with that man. Cast him, cast him right now.” He’s a pretty handsome man. Yeah, so he had that allure to him and he got the part.

[00:06:07] Trevor Long: Do you know what the other thing that stood out to me about him in this movie? Which is relevant to the other movie, is the smile.

[00:06:15] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, yeah.

[00:06:16] Trevor Long: It’s because it’s defined, like the little curved lines on the side of his smile are defined there. Like in the Joker, it’s makeup, but it’s, you can see what, I don’t know, you could just see, like I can imagine being someone working on the Joker and going, he’s got a lot of range. He’s got the right smile for this.

[00:06:32] Movie Audio: That’s it.

[00:06:32] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely, yeah. Like he, you could, his talent was obvious.

[00:06:36] Trevor Long: Yeah, I thought it was brilliant.

[00:06:37] Stephen Fenech: Had you had any impressions of this before the first viewing? The name of this plus even the thumbnail of this is all Very teen.

[00:06:44] Trevor Long: Yeah, movie.

[00:06:45] Stephen Fenech: A bunch of people in a group shot.

[00:06:46] Trevor Long: It looks like it could be another American Pie or, I don’t know, Porky’s or something. I don’t know.

[00:06:50] Stephen Fenech: But well, I think that that’s interesting. You should say that because I think this, this gets— I think this is, this is slightly underrated because it’s sort of lumped in with those other movies.

[00:06:58] Trevor Long: I think at the end of the show we need to talk about what this could have been called.

[00:07:02] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I’ve got a few suggestions.

[00:07:03] Trevor Long: I’m sure you do.

[00:07:05] Stephen Fenech: The movie, as I said, launched Heath Ledger’s career. His next film after this This was a success. He then made The Patriot opposite Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson at the height of his powers. Then followed it by A Knight’s Tale where he was the star of the movie and he was on his way. Then of course we saw that he made Batman and Brokeback Mountain. He was nominated for an Oscar for that one. Made The Last Knight and sadly passed away in 2008. We’ll talk more about that in a moment. But this is your last exit before the freeway. We’re gonna take a deep dive into 10 Things I Hate About You. And that’s not just about Trevor.

[00:07:42] Trevor Long: No. That’ll be the end of the show. I’ve prepared a list, haven’t you?

[00:07:47] Stephen Fenech: I have, yes. You can catch it on Fetch, along with thousands of movies.

[00:07:51] Trevor Long: There’s something like 11,000 movies you can watch on Fetch at any one time, not just to rent or buy, but through the streaming apps. And one of my favorite things about Fetch, which you— with your $3.99 subscription, you get access to a range of things, including 30 free movies to watch at any time. And they are One Goes and One Comes every day, so there’s a new movie added every single day. Black Hawk Down, Get Smart, Goodfellas. Grown Ups and Grown Ups 2, Mad Max: Fury Road, San Andreas with The Rock, The Gentlemen directed by Guy Ritchie. I think I’ve seen that.

[00:08:23] Stephen Fenech: Hugh Grant.

[00:08:25] Trevor Long: Is it Hugh Grant? I’m looking at the cast. Oh, he doesn’t look like Hugh Grant, but he’s got a goatee, I see it. The Social Network, we’ve done that. Yes. All available along with many more on Fetch through the Movie Box. If you’ve got a Fetch subscription, you have the Movie Box at your access. You can just click and watch a movie tonight. No transaction required. So check that out along with all the other features of Fetch, and you can buy Fetch at your major retail stores. You can get it if you’re a Telstra customer, and you can find out more at fetchtv.com.au.

[00:08:53] Stephen Fenech: Rightio, you’ve now watched 10 Things I Hate About You. Yeah, um, and I’d love to hear your first impressions.

[00:09:01] Trevor Long: Oh look, I mean, it, it quickly is obvious it’s not one of those traditional teen movies, but it does— I think it probably takes a good 30% of the movie to realize that because you reckon it’s not going to go to one of those weird places. But it’s, it’s a— I really enjoyed it, not because I was focused on Heath and what his character was, because I’m, you know, fascinated by him and as an Aussie in this. But I mean, I, I’ve never— I don’t know Taming of the Shrew, I don’t know Shakespeare at all. And but your basic premise to me last week made me think about what this was, and I thought it was a— I thought it was a good story. I thought it played out well. I thought there It was predictably unpredictable. So much of it was obvious what was gonna happen, but, and we’ll talk about this in the run-through, a lot of stuff didn’t happen to how I thought it might, like something that you should expect to blow up as a, it blew up, but it was very quickly tamed. And so that was cool. So, you know, it’s a fascinating movie.

[00:09:51] Stephen Fenech: And you watched this on your own? Remember I suggested you watch it with your kids? No, I watched this on my own. Your teenage children would’ve liked this. Well, I think Harry even—

[00:09:59] Trevor Long: I think you misunderstand what my kids would watch, but you know, no, I didn’t have time. We watched this on my own.

[00:10:05] Stephen Fenech: Fair enough. And what’s your social media post on this one?

[00:10:07] Trevor Long: A Heath Ledger in a teen high school movie. It’s not quite what you think, but it’s a shining example of why he was so well regarded as an actor. So for your mix of Shakespeare and Hollywood, worth a relaxing evening watching 10 Things I Hate About You.

[00:10:21] Stephen Fenech: Very nice. I saw this at the movies. Joe and I saw this together. Oh, we saw it together and rewatched it many times. And I always— I’m always fascinated by how, how much different it is. It’s a level above a teen movie. It’s really— it’s— I think it’s not really fair to describe it as a teen movie. There’s a lot more depth to it than that.

[00:10:40] Trevor Long: I just feel like both title and thumbnail give it that, which is why that’s a problem for it.

[00:10:45] Stephen Fenech: Definitely. Yeah. Let’s talk about the cast. Of course, Heath Ledger plays Patrick Verona. He was in Two Hands. We know he made The Patriot right after this. He was in Brokeback Mountain, Dark Knight. Died in 2008, aged just 28.

[00:11:00] Trevor Long: That’s crazy.

[00:11:01] Stephen Fenech: And he actually won won a posthumous Best Supporting Actor Oscar for The Dark Knight. Wow. And was, uh, it was accepted by his mother, his father, and his sister. Heath Ledger is the only actor to have won an award in this category after his death. Wow. So he’s, uh, look, he’s, his work, his legacy is there in his body of work, was truly remarkable.

[00:11:24] Trevor Long: Oh, for sure.

[00:11:25] Stephen Fenech: Julia Stiles plays Kat Stratford, and she was in Save the Last Dance, Silver Linings Playbook, and you would have Notice to also into a movie we did recently called The Bourne Identity.

[00:11:38] Trevor Long: Um, look, I honestly played one of the CIA people.

[00:11:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, uh, also in the film, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. He plays Cameron James. He’s the young guy who falls in love with Bianca. He was in Looper, 500 Days of Summer, and Inception. Now there was also in the film Larry Miller. Did you notice the dad? Yes. Did you notice him? What episode of Seinfeld was he in?

[00:12:03] Trevor Long: Oh, you’re killing me now. I certainly recognize him.

[00:12:06] Stephen Fenech: He was the doorman. Remember the guy who was sort of the brain game? He goes, “Mind the door, want to go get a quick beer?” Remember he was the guy. He goes, “Oh, well, you think you’re better than me?” “You think you’re better than me? Yes, I gotcha.” He was in there. There was also Gabrielle Union. She was a young actress, hot young actress at the time, still working today. And Allison Janney. Did you notice CJ?

[00:12:26] Trevor Long: Man, I saw her in the titles and I went, “Oh, hang on a minute, here we go.” She’s only in it for the—

[00:12:30] Stephen Fenech: at the start.

[00:12:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, she quickly— at the end in the—

[00:12:33] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, a little bit towards there. But she’s, uh, did you stay for the credits? I did, yeah, the bloopers.

[00:12:38] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:12:39] Stephen Fenech: All right, before we get to the top scenes, let’s have a chat about Hisense. And Hisense, we know for their amazing TVs, but you also have to check out their amazing new XR10 projector. Now one thing about a telly, you buy that TV and you, that size you chose is the size it’s going to stay. And also probably where you put it is where it’s going to stay as well. Well, you don’t have that problem with the XR10. This is their triple laser is a projector because it can go— it can project an image from 65 inches all the way up to 300 inches. And it is actually portable. You can carry this around your home, so you could enjoy a movie with the family in, in the lounge room, then invite your mates around and maybe watch some sport in the— on your back deck. So it really gives you plenty of options. But there’s no— there’s no mistaking the quality. There’s 6,000 ANSI lumens of brightness, so even in the middle of the day you’ll be able to watch this really easily. Optical zoom means you can get a bigger picture in a smaller space. That’s really important with a projector. And it’s sets itself up. It’s got autofocus. It just— everything just works. It just lines up the picture and you’re ready to enjoy absolute 4K quality, uh, in, in that amazing size as well. And on the audio side, there are Devallier speakers on board. That’s a really great sounding speakers as well. So not only does it give you this great, uh, big screen experience, but the sound quality is there as well. So if you really want to enjoy a huge screen, the cinema-like experience in your home, check it out. The Hisense XR10. You can see it at hisense.com.au. Okay, let’s open up here. The film setup is, uh, pretty good. The, the first thing we see is the contrast straight away between Kat Stratford, who’s one of the main characters, and a group of teenagers. Remember, she’s driving to— there’s these teeny boppers in their car, listen along to their pop music, and then Kat Stratford stops behind them blasting alternative rock.

[00:14:37] Trevor Long: It’s just two alternative looks at the world, two different cars, two different attitudes, two different musics.

[00:14:43] Stephen Fenech: So right away we know she’s, uh, not like every other girl.

[00:14:47] Trevor Long: No.

[00:14:48] Stephen Fenech: Uh, the next thing we see is Cameron James. Have you noticed that his name’s James Cameron backwards? Cameron James.

[00:14:53] Trevor Long: Oh, I hadn’t—

[00:14:54] Stephen Fenech: yeah, I think that was on purpose. Cameron arrives at Padua High nervous and awkward. He has a strange encounter with Miss Perky, the guidance counselor who’s writing an erotic novel. Oh, and, uh, yeah, that’s right, because she’s on a Mac.

[00:15:07] Trevor Long: Yeah, uh, PowerBook.

[00:15:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, she says he’s the new kid, and, uh, he says, uh, he’s there to— for his sort of his entry into the school is— I think he’s got someone to show him around. Uh, then she tells him to scoot, and then in comes Patrick Verona, uh, played by Heath Ledger. He’s, uh, next to come into her office.

[00:15:28] Movie Audio: Patrick Verona, I see we’re making our visits a weekly ritual.

[00:15:32] Trevor Long: Only so we can have these moments together. Should I hit the lights?

[00:15:36] Movie Audio: Oh, very clever, kangaroo boy. Says here you exposed yourself in the cafeteria.

[00:15:42] Trevor Long: I was joking with the lunch lady. It was a bratwurst.

[00:15:45] Movie Audio: Bratwurst. Aren’t we the optimist? Next time, keep it in your pouch.

[00:15:52] Stephen Fenech: Okay. Keep it in your pouch. I love kangaroo.

[00:15:54] Trevor Long: See, I was wondering when he first started talking, I’m thinking, so is he going— this is not— that’s not an American accent.

[00:15:58] Stephen Fenech: Is he going Australian?

[00:15:59] Trevor Long: And so when she said kangaroo boy, I went, ah, so he’s sticking with the Australian thing, which is not published.

[00:16:04] Stephen Fenech: And she thought, I think after that scene, she’d think, oh, bratwurst, you know. She was the top of her— a rock novel.

[00:16:10] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:16:12] Stephen Fenech: Now we see Cameron is guided through around campus by Michael Eckman, who’s a sarcastic student who— I love that scene where he explains the social structure in detail, or who, you know, these are the cafe kids, these are the jocks, and all these other people.

[00:16:25] Trevor Long: I found it fascinating how small this campus kind of walkthrough was. Like, it didn’t feel And look, I’ll be honest with you, I’ve looked at the campus. I was so fascinated about it. I’ve looked at it on Google Maps and stuff. So what I mean though is it’s just a restricted area and you can, it just felt fake. It felt very fake to me walking through and there’s a group of people, there’s a group of people, there’s a group of people. Like it just wouldn’t be that way.

[00:16:47] Stephen Fenech: But well, it’s not quite the playground, but it was pretty good. Cameron at this point sees Bianca Stratford for the very first time and he’s immediately smitten. Besotted.

[00:17:01] Trevor Long: Now, over here. Oh my God. What group is she in?

[00:17:11] Movie Audio: The don’t even think about it group. Bianca Stratford, she’s a sophomore.

[00:17:15] Movie Audio: I burn, I pine, I perish.

[00:17:18] Trevor Long: Of course you do.

[00:17:19] Movie Audio: You know, she’s beautiful and deep.

[00:17:21] Trevor Long: I’m sure.

[00:17:23] Movie Audio: Yeah, but see, there’s a difference between like and love, because I like my sketchers But I love my Prada backpack. But I love my Skechers. That’s because you don’t have a Prada backpack.

[00:17:33] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:17:35] Trevor Long: Oh.

[00:17:37] Movie Audio: Listen, forget her incredibly uptight father, and it’s a widely known fact that the Stratford sisters aren’t allowed to date.

[00:17:43] Stephen Fenech: So straight away, nice bit of information. But my little interjections, I’ve got one here.

[00:17:49] Trevor Long: What are they called?

[00:17:49] Stephen Fenech: It’s going to be called the Shrew Brew.

[00:17:52] Trevor Long: Oh my God.

[00:17:54] Stephen Fenech: The line he says, remember he says, I burn, I pine, I perish. Which is a direct quote from The Taming of the Shrew.

[00:18:00] Trevor Long: Right, okay.

[00:18:00] Stephen Fenech: So that’s a line lifted out of the play.

[00:18:03] Trevor Long: Okay, very good.

[00:18:04] Stephen Fenech: Now we meet Walter Stratford, an overprotective obstetrician gynecologist, OB/GYN. He’s terrified of his daughters getting pregnant.

[00:18:16] Movie Audio: Ask Bianca who drove her home.

[00:18:18] Movie Audio: Kat, don’t change the drove.

[00:18:19] Movie Audio: Who drove you home?

[00:18:20] Movie Audio: Now don’t get upset, Daddy, but there’s this boy.

[00:18:22] Movie Audio: Who’s a flaming imbecile.

[00:18:24] Movie Audio: Please. And I think he might ask me—

[00:18:25] Movie Audio: Please, I think I know what he’s going to ask. I think I know the answer. No. It’s always no. What are the two house rules? Number one, no dating till you graduate. Number two, no dating till you graduate. That’s it.

[00:18:38] Movie Audio: Daddy, that’s so unfair.

[00:18:40] Movie Audio: All right, you want to know what’s unfair? This is for you two. This morning, I delivered a set of twins to a 15-year-old girl. Do you know what she said to me?

[00:18:48] Movie Audio: I’m a crack whore who should have made my skeezy boyfriend wear a condom?

[00:18:54] Movie Audio: Close, but no. She said I should have listened to my father.

[00:18:59] Movie Audio: She did not.

[00:19:00] Movie Audio: Well, that’s what she would have said if she wasn’t so doped up.

[00:19:04] Stephen Fenech: But so she’s obviously complaining about the whole situation, so what does Walter do? He institutes a new rule.

[00:19:12] Movie Audio: Can we focus on me for a second, please? I am the only girl in school who’s not dating.

[00:19:17] Movie Audio: Oh no, you’re not. Your sister doesn’t date.

[00:19:18] Movie Audio: And I don’t intend to.

[00:19:20] Movie Audio: And why is that again?

[00:19:21] Movie Audio: Have you seen the unwashed miscreants that go to that school?

[00:19:25] Movie Audio: Where did you come from, Planet Loser?

[00:19:27] Movie Audio: As opposed to Planet “Look at me, look at me.” Okay, here’s how we solve this one.

[00:19:33] Stephen Fenech: Old rule out.

[00:19:34] Movie Audio: New rule: Bianca can date when she does.

[00:19:40] Movie Audio: But she’s a mutant. What if she never dates?

[00:19:43] Movie Audio: You’ll never date. Oh, I like that. And I’ll get to sleep at night, the deep slumber of a father whose daughters aren’t out being impregnated.

[00:19:51] Trevor Long: It’s a great— it’s a lot of good exposition, but also just great, great lines in there really, because the dad, you know, also we don’t yet know where the mum is or what happened there.

[00:19:59] Stephen Fenech: But yeah, that’s the— well, that will unpack that a bit later.

[00:20:02] Trevor Long: But you know, clearly he’s taking on a lot of responsibility here, and as an obstetrician, he absolutely sees everything he sees.

[00:20:11] Stephen Fenech: And that is, that rule is the premise of The Taming of the Shrew.

[00:20:15] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:20:15] Stephen Fenech: So there’s an attractive young woman and the other woman who does not really interested in dating, and the whole structure is the same, right? That’s where they get that from.

[00:20:24] Trevor Long: There you go.

[00:20:25] Stephen Fenech: Uh, so knowing that, uh, Kat hates everyone, Cameron, uh, and Michael, they think, well, you know what, Cameron obviously loves, loves, in love with Bianca, wants to date her. They think, look, there’s this wealthy narcissist Joey, uh, who is— let’s trick him into maybe paying asking someone to date Kat.

[00:20:46] Movie Audio: Now, you want Bianca, right? But, uh, she can’t go out with you because her sister is this insane headcase and no one will go out with her, right?

[00:20:57] Stephen Fenech: Does this conversation have a purpose?

[00:20:59] Movie Audio: What I think you need to do is you need to hire a guy who’ll go out with her. Someone who doesn’t scare so easily.

[00:21:08] Stephen Fenech: That guy? Look at Heath.

[00:21:11] Trevor Long: I heard he ate a live duck once.

[00:21:13] Movie Audio: Everything but the beak and feet. Clearly he’s a solid investment.

[00:21:19] Trevor Long: What’s in it for you?

[00:21:20] Movie Audio: Hey, I’m walking down the hall and I say hello to you, you say hello to me.

[00:21:25] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[00:21:26] Trevor Long: You’re cool by association. I’ll think about it.

[00:21:30] Stephen Fenech: So therein lies the plan. And it’s very weird, same as the Right. Similar to that as well.

[00:21:35] Trevor Long: Is it because, I mean, it’s a very weird idea to say for me to be able to date that girl, I need to essentially get someone else who wants to date the same girl to pay off a bloke.

[00:21:45] Stephen Fenech: But not just anyone, they need someone who’s gonna make a breakthrough with this, this fearless guy.

[00:21:49] Trevor Long: Yeah, I know, but you’re, forget the Heath Ledger character. What I’m talking about is the Joey character who’s, you know, the handsome.

[00:21:56] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:21:57] Trevor Long: Like you’re creating competition for yourself.

[00:21:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, I think think that he was a means to an end. They see him as being— they kind of know—

[00:22:05] Trevor Long: oh, Mike Cameron’s backing himself over Joey, basically.

[00:22:07] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s right.

[00:22:08] Trevor Long: It’s a big call.

[00:22:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. So enter Patrick Verona. Um, they choose Patrick, a mysterious Aussie bad boy. The rumors include him spending time in the big house, in jail. They negotiate a $50 fee for Patrick to take Kat out on a date.

[00:22:24] Movie Audio: Yeah.

[00:22:25] Stephen Fenech: Uh, Patrick’s first attempts to talk to Kat are met with fierce feminist rhetoric and immediate shutdown.

[00:22:32] Trevor Long: Nice Nice ride. Vintage fenders.

[00:22:35] Movie Audio: Are you following me?

[00:22:37] Trevor Long: I was in the laundromat. I saw your car, came over to say hi.

[00:22:40] Movie Audio: Hi.

[00:22:44] Trevor Long: Not a big talker, huh?

[00:22:46] Movie Audio: Depends on the topic. My fenders don’t really whip me into a verbal frenzy.

[00:22:49] Trevor Long: You’re not afraid of me, are you?

[00:22:51] Movie Audio: Afraid of you? Why would I be afraid of you?

[00:22:54] Trevor Long: Well, most people are.

[00:22:55] Movie Audio: Well, I’m not.

[00:22:56] Trevor Long: Well, maybe you’re not afraid of me, but I’m sure you’ve thought about me Am I that transparent?

[00:23:03] Movie Audio: I want you. I need you. Oh baby, oh baby.

[00:23:07] Trevor Long: That’s very good.

[00:23:08] Stephen Fenech: So she’s sort of, you know, she’s in a class of her own, I’d say.

[00:23:12] Trevor Long: See, I think already at this point he’s gone from being, you know, paid to do this to, hang on a minute, why is this so hard?

[00:23:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think he’s seen this as a challenge now.

[00:23:20] Trevor Long: He’s now, he’s, because he’s obviously able to get whoever he wants whenever he wants just because of how he looks and talks.

[00:23:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:23:26] Trevor Long: So yeah, he’s now, he’s already evolved at this point from, paid job. Yeah, so hang on a minute, challenge accepted.

[00:23:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you’re right. Um, now a bit about the family dynamic with Kat. She’s been accepted into Sarah Lawrence. Remember, she gets that letter. Yeah. And she— which on the other side of the country. So country, her dad obviously being very overprotective is very resistant to the fact of her leaving.

[00:23:49] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:23:50] Stephen Fenech: But we also know, and they mentioned this later in the film, that their mother left them. Left. She’s not dead. No, she didn’t die. The mother left them, but it’s never explored any further at all. No, it’s left quite open. I think there was a scene later on where Bianca’s wearing her pearls and she’s—

[00:24:05] Trevor Long: where’d you get that from? And is there any Taming of the Shrew?

[00:24:08] Stephen Fenech: No, not that I can— not that I know of. But, um, it’s— yeah, they— I think they left it deliberately vague in the movie. Yeah. Uh, Cameron and Michael, after Patrick’s little misstep earlier on with, with Kat, they decide to create a dossier of Kat’s interest to help by going through her bedroom.

[00:24:27] Movie Audio: All right, uh, first thing, Kat hates smokers.

[00:24:34] Trevor Long: You’re telling me I’m a non-smoker?

[00:24:37] Movie Audio: Yes, but just for now.

[00:24:40] Movie Audio: And, um, and here’s another problem. Bianca said that Kat likes pretty guys.

[00:24:46] Trevor Long: Are you telling me I’m not a pretty You’re dating very pretty. This is a gorgeous hotel.

[00:24:53] Movie Audio: I just wasn’t sure. I didn’t know. All right, uh, yeah, okay.

[00:24:59] Movie Audio: Here’s this, uh—

[00:25:00] Trevor Long: Ahem.

[00:25:03] Movie Audio: Likes: Thai food, feminist prose, and angry girl music of the indie rock persuasion. Here’s a list of CDs that she has in her room.

[00:25:14] Trevor Long: So I’m supposed to buy her We buy her some noodles and a book and sit around listening to chicks who can’t play their instruments, right?

[00:25:19] Movie Audio: You ever been to Club Skunk?

[00:25:22] Movie Audio: Your favorite band’s playing there tomorrow night.

[00:25:25] Trevor Long: I can’t be seen at Club Skunk, all right?

[00:25:27] Movie Audio: But she’ll be there. She’s got tickets.

[00:25:29] Movie Audio: Listen, I’ll sell your ears for one night.

[00:25:33] Movie Audio: She has a pair of black underwear, if that helps.

[00:25:38] Movie Audio: Couldn’t hurt, right?

[00:25:42] Stephen Fenech: Assail your ears for one night. That’s such a Shakespearean line.

[00:25:44] Trevor Long: Is it?

[00:25:45] Stephen Fenech: It is, yeah. So they decide at— well, he— I think what happens at the next scene is when he goes to the nightclub and he sees her. Oh, she goes, “Oh, they’re not like as good as this band.” And he sort of— she makes a bit of an impression. He makes a bit of an impression on her.

[00:26:03] Trevor Long: Yes, there’s a funny moment there where he says something to her and the music stops and everyone’s like, “Oh my God, how embarrassing.” Yeah, that’s very well played.

[00:26:11] Stephen Fenech: Happened to me.

[00:26:12] Trevor Long: Oh really?

[00:26:13] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Next thing, he just, he says, look, how about we get together at the, let’s go together to the Bogie Lowenstein party. Now this was really funny because Bogie Lowenstein is this guy who likes, he’s a golfer, that’s why his name’s Bogie, and he’s a real refined gentleman who was, his initial invitation said cheese wine tasting and cheese night, and they photocopied it to say free beer, free beer, and then Bogie’s house, basically it’s a Corey Worthington moment, uh, where the whole school took over. Yeah, that’s true.

[00:26:46] Trevor Long: Rich, stuck-up—

[00:26:47] Stephen Fenech: nice call, but a good memory.

[00:26:48] Trevor Long: Yeah, stuck-up upper-class guy.

[00:26:50] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, just trash his house. Massive house party. Patrick manages to get, uh, Kat to go by claiming he’s interested in the band. Um, at the party, uh, she— Bianca’s there too, and she realizes that Joey’s a bit of a dick. Yeah, yeah, this guy that she’s wise to him. Yeah, Cameron of course is still trying to get closer to her, but he still thinks she’s into Joey. Now he gets discouraged and Patrick gives him some sage advice.

[00:27:19] Trevor Long: What?

[00:27:19] Movie Audio: It’s off, okay? The whole thing’s off.

[00:27:21] Trevor Long: What are you talking about?

[00:27:24] Movie Audio: She never wanted me, she wanted Joey the whole time.

[00:27:26] Trevor Long: Cameron, do you like the girl? Yeah. Yeah, and is she worth all this trouble?

[00:27:32] Movie Audio: Well, I thought she was, but you know, well, she is or she isn’t.

[00:27:37] Trevor Long: See, first of First of all, Joey is not half the man you are. Secondly, don’t let anyone ever make you feel like you don’t deserve what you want. Go for it!

[00:27:46] Stephen Fenech: Mate, what good advice.

[00:27:47] Trevor Long: Great advice.

[00:27:48] Stephen Fenech: So during the night—

[00:27:49] Trevor Long: He’s now got himself a very handsome wingman, essentially.

[00:27:51] Stephen Fenech: Exactly right. Kat gets a bit drunk, dances on a table, pretty solid dance on the table there, but she knocks her head and Patrick takes care of her but doesn’t take advantage of the situation, sort of showing his true character.

[00:28:04] Trevor Long: Character.

[00:28:05] Stephen Fenech: I like the part where she— remember, he drives her home, and I remember they’re sitting on the swings and they’re chatting away, and she’s sort of half drunk, and she looks up and he goes, “Your eyes have got a little bit of green in them, haven’t they?” Like, she sort of notices him.

[00:28:17] Trevor Long: Yes, that’s the first time she sees him.

[00:28:19] Stephen Fenech: Yes, really. And he drives her home, she moves in to kiss him, and he says, “Now, maybe we should do this another time.” In other words, “You’re too drunk right now,” which is absolutely the most gentlemanly thing he could have done.

[00:28:31] Trevor Long: And but she’s—

[00:28:31] Stephen Fenech: she kind of half storms off. Yeah. Meanwhile, Cameron has driven Bianca home and lays some home truths on her as well.

[00:28:41] Movie Audio: You never wanted to go sailing with me, did you?

[00:28:44] Movie Audio: Yes, I did.

[00:28:46] Movie Audio: No, you didn’t.

[00:28:48] Movie Audio: Well, okay, no, not actually.

[00:28:50] Movie Audio: Well, then that’s all you had to say. Have you always been this selfish? You know, just because you’re beautiful, that doesn’t mean that you can treat people like they don’t matter. I mean, I really liked you, okay? I defended you when people called you conceited. I helped you when you asked me to. I learned French for you and then you just blow me off so you can—

[00:29:16] Stephen Fenech: Boom, and she just plants a kiss on him.

[00:29:18] Trevor Long: She leans over and gives him one.

[00:29:19] Stephen Fenech: She went, how do you like them apples?

[00:29:21] Trevor Long: And he’s like gobsmacked.

[00:29:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. So Joey ups the stakes and this is the hipster doofus, the cool dude, the conceited dude gives Patrick more money, like $300 this time. Yeah. Meanwhile, Cameron wants him to continue.

[00:29:38] Trevor Long: Oh, he’s just had a, uh, yeah, he says, yeah, take her out. We say yes.

[00:29:43] Stephen Fenech: Patrick sees Kat in a music store and then in the bookshop.

[00:29:47] Trevor Long: Excuse me, have you seen The Feminine Mystique? I’ve lost my copy.

[00:29:50] Movie Audio: What are you doing here?

[00:29:52] Trevor Long: I heard there was a poetry reading.

[00:29:54] Movie Audio: You’re so charming.

[00:29:57] Trevor Long: Wholesome.

[00:29:59] Movie Audio: Unwelcome.

[00:30:00] Trevor Long: You’re not as mean as you think you are, you know that?

[00:30:03] Movie Audio: And you’re not as badass as you think you are.

[00:30:06] Trevor Long: Oh, someone still has her panties in a twist.

[00:30:08] Movie Audio: Don’t for one minute think that you had any effect whatsoever on my panties.

[00:30:12] Trevor Long: Then what did I have an effect on?

[00:30:13] Movie Audio: Other than my upchuck reflex, nothing.

[00:30:15] Stephen Fenech: Very good. Some sharp lines, actually. It’s really good. Um, but the next— after that scene, they think, well, he needs to up his game. Here. So he tries this iconic serenade, and what he does, he bribes the school marching band and performs Can’t Take My Eyes Off You on the stadium bleachers.

[00:30:35] Trevor Long: Does a good job too.

[00:30:36] Stephen Fenech: And he’s being chased by security as well. I thought it was fantastic. I think when the band kicks in and everyone thinking, whoa, what’s happening here? Now, my shrewd brew here is the school where they filmed this. Yes, it is a stadium— is Stadium High School located in Tacoma.

[00:30:51] Trevor Long: You looked at it, mate. I went to some effort.

[00:30:53] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:30:54] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:30:54] Stephen Fenech: The school was first built as a grand château-style railroad station hotel, and then after it suffered fire damage, it was renovated into a high school. Yeah. Did you know that?

[00:31:05] Trevor Long: It never became a hotel.

[00:31:06] Stephen Fenech: They never finished it. Yeah.

[00:31:07] Trevor Long: Then they had the fire and then they made it a hotel. It was renovated in the early 2000s ahead of its centenary.

[00:31:13] Stephen Fenech: Well, before they filmed this, before they did that.

[00:31:15] Trevor Long: Do you know why I got onto this? Because at the very end of this movie, spoiler alert, we already been there.

[00:31:18] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:31:18] Trevor Long: They’re playing a band on top and I’m like, I wonder if that platform’s really there.

[00:31:22] Stephen Fenech: No, I don’t think it was added for that. Yeah, yeah, I’ll tell you the name of the band. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, after that, I think, uh, he’s— she’s— she’s sort of— he’s won her heart.

[00:31:33] Trevor Long: Yeah, they go and have a little—

[00:31:34] Stephen Fenech: they go to paintball.

[00:31:36] Trevor Long: It’s throwing paint. Yeah, not paint guns.

[00:31:38] Stephen Fenech: Hey, give me the guns any day of the week. Uh, but they share their first kiss in a pile of hay.

[00:31:45] Trevor Long: Oh yeah, rolling in the hay.

[00:31:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, later— literally rolling the hay. Yeah, later Patrick asks Kat to go to the prom with him.

[00:31:53] Trevor Long: Go to the prom with me.

[00:31:56] Movie Audio: Is that a request or a command?

[00:31:57] Trevor Long: Come on, go with me.

[00:32:00] Movie Audio: No.

[00:32:01] Trevor Long: No? Why not?

[00:32:03] Movie Audio: Because I don’t want to. Because it’s a stupid tradition.

[00:32:05] Trevor Long: Come on, people won’t expect you to go.

[00:32:09] Movie Audio: Why are you pushing this? What’s in it for you?

[00:32:15] Stephen Fenech: Ooh.

[00:32:16] Trevor Long: Oh, so now I need to have a motive to want to be with you?

[00:32:22] Movie Audio: You tell me.

[00:32:26] Trevor Long: You need therapy, you know that? Has anyone ever told you that?

[00:32:31] Movie Audio: Answer the question, Patrick.

[00:32:32] Trevor Long: Nothing. There is nothing in it for me, just the pleasure of your company.

[00:32:36] Trevor Long: Okay, so yeah, this is an outright lie, but maybe it’s not. That’s the thing, when you look at it, you go, okay, so we know that he ended up kind of falling for her there early on. Like, it wasn’t— it didn’t— wasn’t just a challenge. So you could argue that he didn’t lie, but because he wasn’t—

[00:32:54] Stephen Fenech: he did accept cash.

[00:32:55] Trevor Long: It was a bit naughty.

[00:32:56] Stephen Fenech: Well, would he have— would he have asked her out for a date if there wasn’t any— he wasn’t offered money?

[00:33:02] Trevor Long: Not originally, but I—

[00:33:03] Stephen Fenech: but I pushed in her direction. But I think once he was pushing her direction, of course, once he was in her orbit, that’s right, of course, then things played out. But, but that—

[00:33:10] Trevor Long: what my point is that’s the moment he should have come clean on it all. Maybe that moment, right?

[00:33:15] Stephen Fenech: Maybe. You’re right. Now, um, Kat, uh, reveals to Bianca why she’s so serious. We get a bit of backstory here, and she apparently dated Joey Donner in her freshman year and felt pressured into sex, regretted it, and she’s been protecting her little sister from the same fate ever since.

[00:33:38] Movie Audio: How is it possible that I did not know about this?

[00:33:42] Movie Audio: I warned him that if he told anyone, the cheerleading squad would find out how tiny his dick is.

[00:33:50] Movie Audio: Okay, so why didn’t you tell me?

[00:33:55] Movie Audio: I wanted to let you make up your own mind about him.

[00:33:59] Movie Audio: Then why did you help Daddy hold me hostage? It’s not like I’m stupid enough to repeat your mistakes?

[00:34:06] Movie Audio: I guess I thought I was protecting you.

[00:34:08] Movie Audio: By not letting me experience anything for myself?

[00:34:11] Movie Audio: Not all experiences are good, Bianca. You can’t always trust the people you want to.

[00:34:15] Movie Audio: Well, I guess I’ll never know, will I?

[00:34:18] Stephen Fenech: This is— I reckon this sort of plays into the themes of the movie, how— so how that you— I wanted to experience it for myself. I want to have my own, my own life. And it’s sort of— it plays into the— even later on we hear from the dad about him, you know, you know, at some point you’ve got to let them go. Yeah, that’s really important.

[00:34:34] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:34:34] Stephen Fenech: At the prom, Kat is finally happy. Patrick is there with her, but Joey gets into a fight with Patrick and reveals that Patrick was paid to take her out.

[00:34:45] Trevor Long: Would you give me a chance?

[00:34:46] Movie Audio: You were paid to take me out by the one person I truly hate. I knew this was a setup.

[00:34:52] Trevor Long: Kat, it wasn’t like that, okay?

[00:34:54] Movie Audio: Really? What was it like? A down payment now than a bonus for sleeping with me.

[00:34:57] Trevor Long: I didn’t care about the money, okay? I cared— I cared about you.

[00:35:04] Movie Audio: You are so not who I thought you were.

[00:35:07] Stephen Fenech: So bummer drama, right? You know, that’s sort of blown up in his face.

[00:35:10] Trevor Long: Stuff that one up, buddy.

[00:35:12] Stephen Fenech: But Bianca finally realizes for sure Joey is a total jerk.

[00:35:17] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:35:18] Stephen Fenech: And Cameron is the one who actually cares for her. She punches Joey in the face and maybe goes, oh, I’ve got a commercial tomorrow.

[00:35:24] Trevor Long: He’s punching him again. Yeah.

[00:35:25] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, and so, uh, yeah, that’s, uh, that, that, that turns into an interesting evening. Now Walter, this is the next day, Walter tells Kat that he wants her to go to Sarah Lawrence.

[00:35:38] Movie Audio: You know, fathers don’t like to admit it when their daughters are capable of running their own lives. It means we’ve become spectators. Bianca still lets me play a few innings. You’ve had me on the bench for years.

[00:35:49] Stephen Fenech: It’s great.

[00:35:53] Trevor Long: Blowing.

[00:35:53] Movie Audio: When you go to Sarah Lawrence, I won’t even be able to watch the game.

[00:35:59] Movie Audio: When I go?

[00:36:02] Movie Audio: Oh boy, don’t tell me you changed your mind. I already sent him a check.

[00:36:13] Stephen Fenech: Ah, that was awesome.

[00:36:15] Trevor Long: Love, love that analogy.

[00:36:17] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, the spectator. Yeah, I like the sport.

[00:36:19] Trevor Long: I’m a spectator. You still get to throw a few, play a few innings.

[00:36:23] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:36:23] Trevor Long: And now, I mean, well, as a parent, it’s terrible. Like, you know, you’re, you’re at the point in Aaron’s life where you don’t even get to go to the games because, you know, he’s on the other side of the country.

[00:36:32] Stephen Fenech: That’s it, mate.

[00:36:33] Trevor Long: Yeah, Hayley as well, do you know what I mean?

[00:36:34] Stephen Fenech: That would have hit hard.

[00:36:36] Trevor Long: Yeah, so yeah, I love that analogy. Yeah, yeah, really cool.

[00:36:40] Stephen Fenech: Uh, now I think some time has passed, a few days have passed. Yeah. And, uh, Remember earlier in the movie, the English teacher said you got to write your own sonnet, you come up with your own one.

[00:36:49] Trevor Long: And she volunteers to get up.

[00:36:50] Stephen Fenech: She gets up first to read her 10 Things I Hate About You poem.

[00:36:56] Movie Audio: I hate the way you talk to me and the way you cut your hair. I hate the way you drive my car. I hate it when you stare. I hate your big dumb combat boots and the way you read my mind. I hate you so much. Much it makes me sick. It even makes me rhyme. I hate it. I hate the way you’re always right. I hate it when you lie. I hate it when you make me laugh. Even worse when you make me cry. I hate it when you’re not around and the fact that you didn’t call. But mostly I hate the way I don’t hate you. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Not even at Oh, it’s like 12 things.

[00:37:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, there’s more. But sorry, I was sitting here counting.

[00:37:42] Trevor Long: Patrick’s in the room, okay, looking at him to stand up and give his poem as the—

[00:37:46] Stephen Fenech: as the comeback. It starts as her list of grievances and she ends up crying. And obviously, and that you heard that she doesn’t hate him at all, she runs out. But here’s my shrewd brew for this scene, right? It was not scripted for Kat to cry during the scene.

[00:38:02] Movie Audio: Wow.

[00:38:02] Stephen Fenech: When she’s reading the 10 Things poem. But when filming that scene, she genuinely started to cry. It was the one and only take they filmed, and that was it.

[00:38:12] Trevor Long: Done.

[00:38:12] Stephen Fenech: That was it. Done it. One and done.

[00:38:14] Trevor Long: As it should be. If it worked, why do it again?

[00:38:16] Stephen Fenech: She makes a little mistake in the middle of it because I hate— oh no, then I hate how she sort of stumbles. But I think—

[00:38:22] Trevor Long: no, no, still flows. It’s genuine. Yeah, that’s fine.

[00:38:25] Stephen Fenech: So Patrick, it’s a bit of a grand gesture by his at the 1964 Fender Strat that she was— that he saw her playing in the, in the guitar— in the music store.

[00:38:36] Movie Audio: Yep.

[00:38:36] Stephen Fenech: Using the money that Joey paid him.

[00:38:40] Trevor Long: Nice, huh?

[00:38:42] Movie Audio: A Fender Strat? Is it for me?

[00:38:45] Trevor Long: Yeah, I thought you could use it, you know, when you start your band. Besides, I had some extra cash, you know. Some asshole paid me to take out this really great girl.

[00:38:57] Movie Audio: Is that right?

[00:38:59] Trevor Long: Yeah, but I screwed up. I, um, I fell for her. Really? It’s not every day you find a girl who’ll flash someone to get you out of detention. Oh, God.

[00:39:23] Movie Audio: You can’t just buy me a guitar every time you screw up, you know.

[00:39:27] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know.

[00:39:30] Trevor Long: But then, you know, there’s always drums and bass, maybe even one day a tambourine.

[00:39:33] Stephen Fenech: Now the film ends with, as you saw at the very end, the film closes with the band Letters to Cleo is the band performing I Want You to Want Me.

[00:39:46] Trevor Long: Perhaps the most expensive shot of the whole movie.

[00:39:47] Stephen Fenech: On the roof of the high school as Kat and Patrick reconcile.

[00:39:52] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:39:52] Stephen Fenech: And you looked that up, you thought, oh, there’s no way there’s a stage up there. No way.

[00:39:56] Trevor Long: That plateau, that plinth, it was just, no.

[00:39:59] Stephen Fenech: Too perfect for that.

[00:40:01] Trevor Long: Yeah, too perfect for that.

[00:40:01] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:40:02] Trevor Long: Like it just looks strange. But the other thing I thought was that’s an expensive shot. For a movie that was pretty much shot in—

[00:40:08] Stephen Fenech: Back in the day, that’s helicopter shot. Today it’s a drone shot.

[00:40:10] Trevor Long: I now overanalyze movies for like what was a studio, what was a soundstage. And like most of that was shot there, you know, the exterior scenes were shot at the football ground and the high school up in one area.

[00:40:20] Stephen Fenech: I’ll tell you now that the whole movie, there wasn’t one set used. It was all shot on locations.

[00:40:25] Trevor Long: It just didn’t look like that. But there wasn’t many of them, you know what I mean? There’s only a couple of houses, the school, and the interior shots. And so I felt like that ending shot, which was complicated because it came from them up to the van, was very expensive.

[00:40:38] Stephen Fenech: Big expensive tracking shot. Yeah, yeah. Righto, some lines here. This is an interesting one when Kat’s in Miss Perky’s office at the start of movie.

[00:40:47] Movie Audio: Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action. The way you expressed your opinion to Bobby Ridgeway— by the way, his testicle retrieval operation went quite well, in case you’re interested. I still maintain that he kicked himself in the balls.

[00:41:00] Trevor Long: That’s funny.

[00:41:03] Stephen Fenech: Uh, and of course, the, the, the next two, the last two, uh, from Walter.

[00:41:08] Trevor Long: Where are we going?

[00:41:10] Movie Audio: Well, if you must know, a small study group of Friends, otherwise known as an orgy.

[00:41:16] Movie Audio: Mr. Stratford, it’s just a party.

[00:41:18] Movie Audio: And hell is just a sauna.

[00:41:22] Stephen Fenech: This is my favorite. This is, um, the— remember when she’s— he’s on the exercise bike and before the prom?

[00:41:31] Movie Audio: Daddy, that is so nice.

[00:41:32] Movie Audio: Good news for you, I’m down. I’ve got the 411, and you are not going out and getting jiggy with some boy. I don’t care how dope his ride It is.

[00:41:39] Stephen Fenech: Wow, that’s funny. Not really plot holes to talk of here. The speaker workout I really enjoyed. Can’t Take My Eyes Off You, you know, the— yeah, the serenade song.

[00:41:52] Trevor Long: I would also argue that works for the big screen too, because they really—

[00:41:56] Stephen Fenech: oh yeah, I’ve got that in the big screen. Also the great shots of the stadium, you know, the school stadium, the great shots of Seattle too. Some nice shots of the— their house is in a beautiful neighborhood there.

[00:42:07] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah, nice place on the corner.

[00:42:09] Stephen Fenech: The business, now in this section I’m gonna tell you what parts from the Shakespeare play were in this movie.

[00:42:15] Trevor Long: Okay, hit me.

[00:42:16] Stephen Fenech: Like we’ve got Kat Stratford, who was in the film. In the Shakespeare play, her name was Katharina Manola. She was the shrew. Patrick Verona, the Shakespeare equivalent was Petruchio. He was the suitor from Verona. Then you’ve got You got Bianca Stratford, the sister. So in the movie she was Bianca— in this play she was Bianca Minola. She was the popular younger sister. Then you got Cameron James. In the Shakespeare play, that was Lucentio. He was the earnest lover. Then you had Joey Donner. In the Shakespeare equivalent, he was the Gaston Hortensio role. He was the wealthy rival. And then you had Mr. Stratford, who was Baptista Minola, the protective brother. So they’ve matched all those main roles, uh, for the film.

[00:43:06] Trevor Long: Yeah, right, that’s good, because I wonder whether it was like, you know, often in a book to movie it’s like a conglomerate of several people.

[00:43:13] Stephen Fenech: They were pretty faithful to how they did it. Uh, if the movie was made today, I think it’d be a different movie. A lot of social media, I reckon there’d be like an online bullying aspect to it. There’d be all these little things, uh, that, uh, you— that only the internet can— like a lot of the stuff that I reckon there would have been some posts about Kat, you know, what a bitch she is, and all that sort of stuff. And Bianca being a real poser on social media.

[00:43:36] Trevor Long: I think she would have found out about the payments through a text message thread or a private WhatsApp group or something.

[00:43:42] Stephen Fenech: Would have been a different movie, I reckon. I loved how this was sort of a simpler sort of time here when it was. Yeah. And obviously being based on a Shakespeare play, they never had any phones and social media back then. Kept it real.

[00:43:57] Trevor Long: Very real.

[00:43:58] Stephen Fenech: Okay. Every day’s a school day. What are the, what’s the lesson?

[00:44:01] Trevor Long: Pun intended.

[00:44:01] Stephen Fenech: The lesson here. What is the theme and lesson?

[00:44:05] Trevor Long: Well, I think there’s a weird lesson of, you know, you never know who you’re going to fall in love with for old Patrick, right?

[00:44:12] Stephen Fenech: Sort of that emotional maturity, having that emotional maturity.

[00:44:14] Trevor Long: I think there’s probably a lesson there about like, you know, Cameron ended up getting the girl because he was a good bloke as opposed to the smarmy asshole.

[00:44:26] Stephen Fenech: Exactly right. I think there’s also, there’s a theme of it that runs through where, you know, Kat’s really, she’s not a conformist. She doesn’t like to conform to the norms.

[00:44:36] Trevor Long: But there’s also that the kind of what you discover is she’s actually protective.

[00:44:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:44:40] Trevor Long: She’s protective of her sister.

[00:44:42] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:44:42] Trevor Long: All of her actions are actually to stop her sister being subject to the same thing she was.

[00:44:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. There’s a fem— I think there’s a feminist sort of, or feminist theme to it too, where, you know, we should be able to make our own decisions sort of thing. And another thing too is like the, And I think this is Kat’s problem was at the start was her fear of being vulnerable. She doesn’t wanna be vulnerable. She wants to be the real rock and no, I’m not interested in you and this and that. And then being, she just put the walls up.

[00:45:08] Trevor Long: Well, I think that all comes from the earlier experience with Joey.

[00:45:11] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:45:12] Trevor Long: You know what, I don’t need blokes.

[00:45:13] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:45:13] Trevor Long: I don’t need blokes. So the feminism kicks in, the walls kick in and the study kicks in.

[00:45:17] Stephen Fenech: Fair call. Best use of the pause button.

[00:45:20] Trevor Long: If you—

[00:45:21] Stephen Fenech: in the bookstore scene, if you pause that at the right time, there’s the scene with Kat and Patrick, and in the background is a book called 10 Stupid Things Men Do to Mess Up Their Lives on the shelf. So it kind of plays into this name.

[00:45:34] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah.

[00:45:35] Stephen Fenech: Uh, things you might not know: Cameron James, uh, that’s, uh, Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character, learns French in order to tutor Bianca.

[00:45:43] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:45:44] Stephen Fenech: In reality, Joseph Gordon-Levitt speaks French French fluently.

[00:45:48] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:45:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, uh, Julia Stiles, uh, auditioned for the role of Bianca at the start.

[00:45:55] Trevor Long: All right.

[00:45:56] Stephen Fenech: And, uh, Larissa auditioned to be Kat. But then when they got in the room, they thought, well, you know, uh, the, the, the roles were, this were assigned the right way, uh, despite Kat. So Kat went for the younger sister role despite her being in reality 2 years older, right? Uh, sorry, only 3 months older than The Bianca, her name is Larissa Olynyk. She was only 3 months younger than her. According to Gil Junga, the Aussie accent, there was a concern. Some of the producers said, should he put on an American accent again?

[00:46:34] Trevor Long: It kind of works for this.

[00:46:35] Stephen Fenech: Let him. His words, it makes him feel dangerous and sexy.

[00:46:40] Trevor Long: And also it makes him feel like there’s questions about where he comes from and stuff, you know. It’s not just from—

[00:46:46] Stephen Fenech: I like how they never beat that up too much. No, at the start, you know, kangaroo boy, and I think when he’s talking to Caddy, he goes, I grew up in Australia.

[00:46:53] Trevor Long: I think the only reason they bring up the kangaroo boy thing is just to justify the accent early on. It’s right, boom, this is going to be him.

[00:46:58] Stephen Fenech: True.

[00:46:58] Trevor Long: Don’t question it.

[00:46:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah. The house used in the film is, uh, still stands at 2715 North Junee in Tacoma. Uh, is that Washington? Yeah, Washington State. And both the interior and exterior of the house were used in the movie. So remember I said there were no sets, they just filmed there. Yeah. Did you notice—

[00:47:21] Trevor Long: don’t know.

[00:47:21] Stephen Fenech: Now interestingly, here there’s a— remember when they got the bow and arrow and the teacher gets an arrow fired into his ass by Bianca? Now a girl runs off to find help, and if you look closely right? Before she runs off camera, she stops and looks back, unaware that she’s still actually on camera. She stops and then she starts running again. Yeah, it’s a funny little thing. Once you know, once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

[00:47:47] Trevor Long: It’s funny. Yeah, it’s funny.

[00:47:49] Stephen Fenech: Um, what’s the meme? All of Kat’s insults. So some solid insults there. Yeah, you didn’t have any effect on my panties and all that sort of stuff.

[00:47:57] Trevor Long: That’s a solid one.

[00:47:57] Stephen Fenech: Now, did you remember that when he first spoke to Joey, uh, I think Michael, his name was, he drew a penis on his face.

[00:48:04] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:48:05] Stephen Fenech: And then when he comes back to see Cameron, he goes, “I got a penis on my face.” “There’s a cock on my face, isn’t there?” Oh yeah, that’s a funny one. You could use that.

[00:48:11] Trevor Long: It’s continuity problems ’cause it’s a very different— Yeah, it’s different looking. How annoying is it that I noticed that? It’s like, mate, use a different texture.

[00:48:19] Stephen Fenech: That was the first thing I thought too. Yeah, I know, mate.

[00:48:21] Trevor Long: Couldn’t we have filmed that as he walks away?

[00:48:22] Stephen Fenech: Just film that straight away.

[00:48:24] Trevor Long: Why did you redraw it, you idiots?

[00:48:26] Stephen Fenech: There’s plenty of Miss Perky moments too that could end up in a meme.

[00:48:30] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:48:31] Stephen Fenech: By any other name.

[00:48:33] Trevor Long: I think this needs a different name. This is the first time I’ve thought, nah, this needed—

[00:48:36] Stephen Fenech: Do you know what?

[00:48:37] Trevor Long: Why isn’t it called The Taming of the Shrew?

[00:48:39] Stephen Fenech: Because everyone would think it was a Shakespeare play. I’ve called— here’s what I come up with. The Shrew Crew.

[00:48:45] Trevor Long: No.

[00:48:46] Stephen Fenech: Shrewd.

[00:48:48] Trevor Long: Maybe.

[00:48:49] Stephen Fenech: Or The New Rule.

[00:48:51] Trevor Long: No. It’s not bad, The New Rule. Rule. Yeah, I feel like it needed to— it needed to— it needed to be obvious that it was a Shakespearean play but a new version. So yeah, you know what I mean? Like the— maybe a modern Taming or something like Taming— Taming Today.

[00:49:07] Stephen Fenech: I don’t mind 10 Things I Hate About You. It’s memorable. You’re not going to forget that.

[00:49:12] Trevor Long: It is, but it doesn’t sell you the movie. Yeah, because it’s got nothing to do with it really.

[00:49:16] Stephen Fenech: Okay, okay. The one thing you want Oof, I’ll take the guitar.

[00:49:22] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’d be nice.

[00:49:22] Stephen Fenech: I wouldn’t mind the cat’s car. Yeah, the car’s pretty nice.

[00:49:25] Trevor Long: I wouldn’t mind the BMW that Bianca was driving at the start.

[00:49:28] Stephen Fenech: Pretty nice. Yes, I would take the book that he drilled a hole in. Remember when he drilled a hole?

[00:49:34] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’d be a good one for the bookshelf.

[00:49:35] Stephen Fenech: I’d take that.

[00:49:36] Trevor Long: That’d be great.

[00:49:37] Stephen Fenech: The paintball suits and glasses they have.

[00:49:39] Trevor Long: That’s silly.

[00:49:40] Stephen Fenech: The fat suit that he makes her wear. Remember before she goes to the date?

[00:49:42] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:49:43] Stephen Fenech: You’ve got to wear the fat— put on the suit.

[00:49:44] Trevor Long: I want to get one of those myself. Off for the house, just for reasons.

[00:49:49] Stephen Fenech: Are you gonna— your Vivi, how old is she now, mate?

[00:49:52] Trevor Long: 15.

[00:49:53] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so you want to get one and say, listen, yeah, maybe make her watch this movie.

[00:49:57] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn’t mind that house, to be honest.

[00:50:00] Stephen Fenech: Beautiful.

[00:50:01] Trevor Long: The house is awesome. Corner house, very nice.

[00:50:02] Stephen Fenech: 3 questions for Trev.

[00:50:03] Trevor Long: Hit me.

[00:50:04] Stephen Fenech: Uh, what happens to Patrick and Kat now?

[00:50:08] Trevor Long: Um, you know, the college is a problem because she goes to the— but he may go to the West— he may go to the East Coast as as well.

[00:50:15] Stephen Fenech: Well, he came all the way from Australia, so going to the East Coast, I think—

[00:50:18] Trevor Long: I think— I don’t know, they last forever, but they certainly give it a crack.

[00:50:21] Stephen Fenech: They become friends at least. What about Cameron and Bianca?

[00:50:25] Trevor Long: That doesn’t work out.

[00:50:26] Stephen Fenech: You don’t reckon? No.

[00:50:27] Trevor Long: What’s that?

[00:50:28] Stephen Fenech: Sorry, she’s just too much of a pretty girl.

[00:50:31] Trevor Long: She’ll realize in 30 years that she made the wrong decision, but yeah, sorry, mate.

[00:50:36] Stephen Fenech: Righto, what about question 3: sequel, prequel, or leave it alone?

[00:50:40] Trevor Long: I mean, based on that, it would be fun.

[00:50:42] Stephen Fenech: You could have a sequel. I’d watch a sequel to this. Yeah. Sequel because they could call it 11 Things I Hate.

[00:50:47] Trevor Long: In reality, 10 Things I Hate About You is about her and him, like that’s who it’s about, right? It’s about Kat and Patrick. So in theory, um, maybe you could make it 10 Things I Love About You and then—

[00:50:58] Stephen Fenech: or make it go, like I said earlier, make it 11 Things I Hate About You. Yeah, maybe one up.

[00:51:03] Trevor Long: And you’re always wondering what is the 11th.

[00:51:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, to me their relationship would be love-hate. They’re, they’re really— if they can be really at each other but then be really close at the same time.

[00:51:13] Trevor Long: Anyway, he’s dead, so tough to do.

[00:51:15] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, tough one. They could have made it though. They had up until 2008. Yeah. Anyway, uh, righto, that was 10 Things I Hate About You, the movie. Uh, what is your wrap-up and rating?

[00:51:26] Trevor Long: That’s my greatest exposure to Shakespeare ever.

[00:51:29] Stephen Fenech: Um, you never did Shakespeare at school? No, I loved Shakespeare at school. I was weird like that. I really enjoyed all the Shakespeare.

[00:51:36] Trevor Long: That’s one, one thing that’s weird about about you.

[00:51:39] Stephen Fenech: I did very well in English, I’ve got to say.

[00:51:41] Trevor Long: Okay, I did not. Yeah, um, I don’t know, it was a good movie. I like— I liked the fact that what you— what I expected was a massive blow-up from Kat and it would, it would end forever. But I like the fact that it didn’t blow up and it was just like, you know what, he bought the guitar, he admitted he was wrong, and he admitted that he loved her and, you know, fallen for her.

[00:51:58] Stephen Fenech: Happy ending.

[00:51:59] Trevor Long: I like— I, I kept thinking this is going to blow up, but it didn’t need to, and I like that about it.

[00:52:03] Stephen Fenech: Well, it kind of did. It sort of like—

[00:52:05] Trevor Long: but it didn’t—

[00:52:06] Stephen Fenech: the all is lost, right?

[00:52:07] Trevor Long: I mean, it didn’t just end and was over. They found a way to script, a continuation into it. That’s what I liked.

[00:52:12] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, of course.

[00:52:13] Trevor Long: Um, good story, uh, you know, really well shot. I enjoyed the way they made this movie. Very nice. But as an overall movie, it’s a 6.5 for me.

[00:52:20] Stephen Fenech: 6.5? Yeah, she’s yours, heart.

[00:52:22] Trevor Long: You’re still a great movie.

[00:52:23] Stephen Fenech: You’re a tough judge, mate. Oh, this is an 8.

[00:52:25] Trevor Long: Again, I look at our ratings of previous things and I go like, this is an 8. I don’t know, pushing to Top Secret, Boogie Nights, you know, these are all—

[00:52:34] Stephen Fenech: Boogie Nights, what did you give that again? 6, mate. You need to rewatch that.

[00:52:37] Trevor Long: What’d you give this? An 8.

[00:52:38] Stephen Fenech: It is an 8.

[00:52:39] Trevor Long: You need to rewatch it. Get over yourself.

[00:52:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s your homework. I’m going to give you— there’s some movies that you poorly rated. You’re going to watch them again.

[00:52:45] Trevor Long: We’ve done that before.

[00:52:46] Stephen Fenech: I think it’s worth another try. All right, well, that was, uh, 10 Things I Hate About You. Should we talk about next week? Okay, next week we are watching Life of Brian, Monty Python, correct? Uh, released in 1979, starring all the Monty Python crew: John Cleese, Eric Idle, Michael Palin, and Terry Gilliam, all the rest, right? The movie, a lot of people don’t know this, the movie was partly financed by one of the Beatles.

[00:53:14] Trevor Long: Really?

[00:53:15] Stephen Fenech: Major finance by one of the Beatles. Was it A, John Lennon, B, Paul McCartney, C, George Harrison, or D, Ringo Starr?

[00:53:25] Trevor Long: I’m going to say I think it’s either George Harrison or Ringo Starr.

[00:53:29] Stephen Fenech: Well, give me an answer, mate.

[00:53:30] Trevor Long: Well, if I, if I— I want a 50/50.

[00:53:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, you You’re in, you’ve got the, you’re in the right zone.

[00:53:37] Trevor Long: Yeah, so it’s one of those two.

[00:53:37] Stephen Fenech: Yes.

[00:53:40] Trevor Long: Ringo Starr feels like a Monty Python, George Harrison.

[00:53:43] Stephen Fenech: Oh damn it. He actually, the, and we’ll get into it in next week’s show, but he actually sold his house to help finance the film.

[00:53:55] Trevor Long: That’s wild.

[00:53:56] Stephen Fenech: More details next week. Wow. But there you have it, 10 Things I Hate About You, the movie, not just about Trev. But, uh, next week we are watching Life of Brian. We’ll see you then.

[00:54:06] Trevor Long: See you then.