The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 736 – Apple’s WWDC 2026 – All about AI

Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Tech

Episode: #736

Title: Apple’s WWDC 2026 – All about AI

Date: 9 June 2026

Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech

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[00:00:00] Trevor Long: I don’t remember seeing your, uh, your office in a video call like this, Stephen.

[00:00:07] Stephen Fenech: Um, well, that’s where I normally sit there, right? That’s my desk there. But this is my little podcast. This is the podcast— it’s the podcast corner. This is where the roadcast is set up. I’ve got an iMac here, dedicated little section of the office for recording.

[00:00:22] Trevor Long: Well, that’s where I—

[00:00:23] Stephen Fenech: that’s where all the hard work happens. That’s the workbench over there.

[00:00:27] Trevor Long: I’m not sure any hard work’s happening there in the Tech Gold office. Yeah, mate, it’s a pretty breezy job, cruisy job we lead.

[00:00:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, early mark for me, mate. You were, you were up in the, your normal time zone. I was up at 3 in the morning, so yeah.

[00:00:42] Trevor Long: Yes, how did you cope with that, mate?

[00:00:45] Stephen Fenech: No problem, not the first time I’ve done it.

[00:00:48] Trevor Long: Yeah, not your first rodeo, but, uh, it’s been a long day here, but, uh, that’s, that’s the way we, where we go. How was your flight home from London?

[00:00:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, great. Yeah, all good. No problem at all.

[00:00:59] Trevor Long: Yeah, it was—

[00:00:59] Stephen Fenech: watched all the live footy on the way back. It was great because Emirates have live stations. They’ve got CNN, BBC, they’ve got a sports channel. I was watching Monaco F1 practice and then watching two NRL games back to back.

[00:01:13] Trevor Long: It was great.

[00:01:15] Stephen Fenech: Nice.

[00:01:15] Trevor Long: Yeah, is that live or Sports24 or something?

[00:01:18] Stephen Fenech: Sport24 it’s called.

[00:01:19] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:20] Stephen Fenech: So from London to Dubai, I had the two Friday night games, and from Dubai to Sydney I had the Saturday afternoon games. Nice.

[00:01:31] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:01:31] Stephen Fenech: All right, it’s a shame Souths didn’t play then. Souths played while we were right in the middle of the Amazon, uh, the, the, the events. Well, controversially, let’s just say it’s only one try. You lost by many, but there was a dead set knock-on that they let go, and then Manly scored off the next set, so Let’s call it a 12-point turnaround just there. Anyhow, we’re not here to talk about that, mate.

[00:01:57] Trevor Long: We’re here to talk about the nature of football. Okay, we’re here to do this.

[00:02:00] VOICE OVER: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:02:04] Stephen Fenech: Not a bad price.

[00:02:05] VOICE OVER: With Trevor Long from eftm.com.

[00:02:07] Stephen Fenech: Really handy device.

[00:02:08] VOICE OVER: And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au.

[00:02:12] Trevor Long: Episode 736 of Two Blokes Talking Tech. Thanks to the great people at Netgear, and for all your home networking needs We’d love you to consider them for your next purchase or upgrade. And for all your home security, Arlo have you covered, and we’ll tell you about them shortly. Stephen, I just saw you take a swig of Diet Coke, and you know what it made me think of?

[00:02:31] Stephen Fenech: What’s that?

[00:02:32] Trevor Long: How you’ve gone back to normal size drinks, because in London you kept getting served tiny weeny little 200ml bottles. Yeah, they look— and in Stephen’s big manly hands, these 200ml bottles look like those little alcohol bottles in a plane or hotel minibar. They do.

[00:02:52] Stephen Fenech: That’s right.

[00:02:54] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:54] Stephen Fenech: In your hands, otherwise it would have been like normal.

[00:02:57] Trevor Long: Completely normal. Yeah, my old man hands. Yeah, jeez. Um, anyway, uh, Apple’s Worldwide Developer Conference has kicked off. Uh, we’re bringing this, uh, to you as an emergency podcast, uh, basically bumping it up the week because why make you wait until, um, till Thursday? You’ll get, uh, Tech Guide to tomorrow, uh, tomorrow night, which is Wednesday night. Wednesday night. But we thought, uh, why waste time when we can unpack, unpack WWDC, um, right here and right now? And it’s a fascinating one, Stephen, because let’s just talk about the event before we talk about any of the announcements, right? There’s a couple of glaring things that occurred. Firstly, there was no big intro movie. Which normally happens.

[00:03:45] Stephen Fenech: So there wasn’t any— okay, so there was no— I know, like a funny little— or a little thing about that.

[00:03:50] Trevor Long: There was the Craig Fenrighi jumping out of a plane last year. There was the Apple F1 movie integration. There was the fun that they, they had with the naming of the, um, uh, of the macOS.

[00:04:05] Stephen Fenech: But apart from that, it was pretty straight, straight back. Yes. It was very— I wondered that too, because there’s been a couple of really funny videos they’ve done and to kick it off. But now it was pretty much just straight into it, wasn’t it? They did— I’m pretty sure, like, you were there. So was there like a little preamble on stage?

[00:04:24] Trevor Long: Where did it start for you?

[00:04:26] Stephen Fenech: For me, it started with Tim Cook coming out under the rainbow at Apple Park and welcome to WWDC.

[00:04:33] Trevor Long: And so in, in, in the, in the real, in present, uh, Craig Federighi came out on stage and I thought, oh, hang on, what’s going on here? Um, and he came out, you know, running on as he normally does, and he said, uh, something along the lines of, um, you know, for software, for developers and, you know, coders and engineers like me, this has been— it’s a difficult time, it’s a changing time, it’s been pretty much in the news consistently. And I’m sitting there going, oh, he’s going to address like the AI, you know, the use of AI to program and, and write code and how it’s taking jobs or something, you know. And then he goes, uh, you know, this is Tim’s last event. This is it. This is, you know, after 15 years.

[00:05:23] Stephen Fenech: So the farewell began.

[00:05:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, right. Yes. And, and then he welcomed Tim Cook on a stage and standing ovation for some— and by the way, it’s— this began at 10 to 10, so 10 minutes before the scheduled start time this happened.

[00:05:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:05:39] Trevor Long: And then Tim came on and it would have been a minute and a half, 2 minutes of applause, standing ovation. And all he said— and I’m telling you, he said it 20 times—

[00:05:49] Stephen Fenech: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[00:05:51] Trevor Long: Just constantly. It’s like, yes, tell them to sit down and they’ll sit down.

[00:05:54] Stephen Fenech: All right. I’ll tell you a similar thing. When, um, the iPad 2 launch, when Steve Jobs, remember he was diagnosed again with cancer and he actually turned up at the— no one expected him to be there. That was a similar deal. Everyone was up on their feet with like a standing ovation for him as well. And similar, similar kind of feeling.

[00:06:15] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah. And so he, he then, he then, you know, be, you know, kicked off his little conversation. But he basically— I’m not going to say he got emotional, but I, I think he did. I think he got emotional. He said that, you know, this event’s very, very important to him and he’s very passionate about developers and, you know, he’s, he’s championed this event for 15 years. And yeah, you know, and in front of the developer community, that’s a really important thing for him to say and for them to hear. Um, and it was, it was, it was kind of stark to realize this was his sign-off from the, you know, introductions to, to these events and to hosting.

[00:06:54] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, the next event will be what, the iPhone launch?

[00:06:56] Trevor Long: It’ll be CEO, who, who, by the way, on the ground is a very visible man. So at— for the last, uh, a little bit inside baseball for folks, but I think most people are normally interested in this stuff. So all the world’s media stay in pretty much one hotel and in the middle of bloody nowhere.

[00:07:17] Stephen Fenech: Uh, I had you there again the same way.

[00:07:19] Trevor Long: Yeah, the AC and Tetra. Um, great. Moffat Field, very close to a bunch of corporate buildings but nothing else. Anyway, um, and they always have a welcome dinner, and it’s just people standing around eating chicken and stuff. But, um, Greg Jaws was there, and then John Ternus turned up. Wow. It was— he got mobbed, you know, people taking selfies and all that kind of stuff. Oh wow. And then interestingly, today after the keynote, I went to, uh, um, what they call the discussion, which was really just a panel of Craig Federighi and three of his, his, um, soldiers, his three senior managers, um, talking about AI. But in the front row, Tim Cook, John Ternus, Greg Joswiak. Like, it was, you know, it was kind of interesting that, that they’re, they’re not, you know, shying away from being very present. And it’s a— it’s a— I’ll be honest with you, it’s a different Apple. Like, this, this— it’s already different. Yeah, the way things are operating. Oh, just— well, no, that’s not a Tim versus John thing. That’s just— they are evolving in the way they communicate and they operate. So it’s kind of fascinating.

[00:08:27] Stephen Fenech: But from my end, it felt like regular deal. Craig Federici sort of taking control and shepherding it all through, and then Tim topping and tailing it like usual.

WWDC Keynote Structure — Three pillars: AI, Performance, and Trust & Safety

[00:08:39] Trevor Long: And we’ll break this show into two parts, basically. We’ll talk AI and then we’ll talk parental controls and sum up any other thoughts. But the other observation I had And this does get into a little bit of our first topic, but well, a couple observations about the structure/content of the keynote. It was very high level, whereas normally WWDC is, okay, here’s this high-level changes we’re making, like Liquid Glass, but here’s these cool things you can do, like crash detection, or, you know, there’s features, things coming. This, this was not like that. This was, we’re fundamentally doing 3 things and we’re going to talk about these 3 things, and they are performance, trust and safety, and AI, right? And so I felt it was very sparse. I didn’t feel like it had minutiae detail in the whole thing. Hi Joe. Um, um, I really felt like it was, it was a very different keynote, don’t you think?

[00:09:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. I didn’t know it. Uh, I, I gotta say, and I think I was messaging you at the time, like I’m thinking, okay, when— I felt like saying, when does the keynote start? There was that— you could tell that they were— I think they were sort of keeping the powder dry. They knew— I knew the back end of the, of the whole keynote was going to be where the gold is. Yeah. So I think usually where we get really detailed iOS by iOS detail, like new features they kind of just lump them all into one. Did you find that though? Because usually they go, okay, iOS 27, boom, and then they go iPadOS, boom, watchOS.

[00:10:16] Trevor Long: Did it?

[00:10:17] Stephen Fenech: There was no, like, what, no similar coverage? It was all one lumped into one. And of course a lot of them, I think that was sort of part of what he said at the intro, that the, the, them sort of becoming more alike and merging together a little bit.

[00:10:30] Trevor Long: So the features would have felt like across the board, like, and let’s just rewind quickly. Our listeners know this, right? But 2 years ago they announced fundamental changes with artificial intelligence, Apple Intelligence, and some amazing things which a year ago had not been delivered. Uh, a lot of cool things had been, but a lot of cool stuff hadn’t. And so last year was a mea culpa. They, they wheeled out some executives to apologize and talk about how they, they wanted to get it right, yada yada yada. Yeah. And so it feels like last 12 months ago they went, you’re going to make me stand up here and tell people we didn’t deliver. Here’s what’s happening. All your cool ideas for the next operating system, put them all on the back burner. And you’re going to work on 3 things. You’re going to make it better, faster, more nimble.

[00:11:12] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that was— that’s interesting too. Yeah, good point that they did the focus on how— and I, and I thought, remember, I think I sent you a message saying, oh, faster search, a breakthrough. Like, I was sort of being a bit, being a bit sarcastic. Oh wow, is that, is that all you got to tell us?

[00:11:26] Trevor Long: But it genuinely felt like they went, you know what, I know you’ve got a million ideas and we love all your ideas, but we are not going to do that. We are going to focus on delivering the thing we promised Um, and I guess the parental controls is a new feature, but it’s also politically important, and, and performance. So anyone that couldn’t contribute to the AI stuff was put on performance, and we’ll, we’ll talk about that later.

[00:11:48] Stephen Fenech: But yeah, let’s talk about that. So I think this was a case where Apple had to put the wood behind the arrow, had to be Apple Intelligence Siri. Everything was riding on that. And you’re right, I reckon it probably cost— it probably cost the development of the new features of the individual iOSes. So This, I reckon you could, you could easily call this iOS 26.7. You know, it’s— we’re up to 0.5 or whatever it is now, but yeah, it’s to fully go up to the next one. Of course they have to because it’s that time of year. But yeah, you’re right, I think it was, it was noticeably underloaded, but I’m pretty sure there’s going to be a lot of stuff that is going to be there that they just never had time to talk about as well.

[00:12:27] Trevor Long: And here’s, here’s the, the thing that made me realize that what they’d done here was serious, was the way they presented the Apple intelligence features, unlike any, any other of the, shall we call them, keynotes in the film era. So post-COVID, because remember before COVID they, they didn’t film stuff, they just presented on stage. Yeah, yeah. So this was basically a rewind to that time but in a film sense. And I’m— what I mean by this is when they go, oh, here’s something Siri can do they showed it in real time. Two camera shoot, one camera over the, over the phone, one camera on the person. Clearly a single shot, real-time execution of a demonstration, right? Because it felt real time because you were like, ah, come on, let’s go.

[00:13:17] Stephen Fenech: Because it took— it actually took a few seconds. I’m thinking, okay, come on, here we go.

[00:13:21] Trevor Long: It was real time. And so yeah, what that did was plant the seed, if you didn’t already have it. He’s planted the seed that said What we’re announcing is real. Like, it’s their way of saying, I know it’s live.

[00:13:35] Stephen Fenech: It’s like, it’s like when they show you a new game, they go, this is actual gameplay, it’s not— this isn’t created. So the actual gameplay going on.

[00:13:42] Trevor Long: Yeah, because think about it this way, right? They could have done today’s presentation and listed all the exact same things and not done those demos, just showed screenshots. Yeah. And we would have been sitting here now going, is any of that going to work?

[00:13:54] Stephen Fenech: They did that 2 years ago.

[00:13:55] Trevor Long: They did this 2 years ago.

[00:13:56] Stephen Fenech: The other day, to show the rubber, you can watch back the 2024 keynote.

[00:14:02] Trevor Long: The last 40 minutes was all about Apple Intelligence, right? And I’m sitting there going, this is, this is the same, you know, like it’s, it’s personal context and all this kind of stuff. But I want to— they demonstrated it.

[00:14:16] Stephen Fenech: Oh no, I agree, I agree. I felt it was very interesting though when I finally got time to say— Frederic, you said right, Now let’s talk about Apple Intelligence. And I found it interesting, I even, I even went back and typed it out word for word what he said. What is that? So I reckon he kind of defended the delay here because here’s what he said: AI is incredibly powerful technology with the potential to shape society in profound ways and with proper care unlock meaningful benefits for people everywhere. Still, Some appear to be racing forward, seemingly pursuing AI for the sake of AI, without clear regard for the people, all of us, that is, that it is ultimately meant to serve. That to me read, we took our time on purpose rather than racing ahead like everyone else tried to do. Yeah, that to me, I think it defended the, the time it took to come to, come to the surface.

Apple Intelligence & Siri AI — Google Gemini partnership and on-device processing

[00:15:16] Trevor Long: And I may be going off too early, but I sit and now believe that what we witnessed today were genuine features happen to be powered by AI. So genuine use cases, genuine real people things that don’t feel like AI, they just feel smart. And by bundle— and look, Mark Gurman’s the, the rumor king, and 95% of what he said has come true, right? Yeah, um, to, to, you know, to be very clear, we, we knew all this was coming, but to see it demonstrated was critical. And the first thing I want to talk about is the Google relationship, because they were also very strong on that. And even in the, um, post-keynote discussion that, that I went to, very strong on saying, look, we did a deal with Google, and we know that that’s been widely reported, but let me be clear—

[00:16:11] Stephen Fenech: and I am paraphrasing, sorry, hang on, is that what they said afterwards, the discussion? Because during the keynote, I don’t think the word Google was mentioned during the keynote.

[00:16:19] Trevor Long: I feel like I can’t recall Google ever getting one mention.

[00:16:24] Stephen Fenech: They sort of said partners. I think they mentioned partners, but maybe, maybe I’ll go back and look at— they normally have a transcript. I, I’m thinking they didn’t really make it a big deal that they did, that Google was the foundation here. I’ll go back and watch it again. I’m pretty sure it was— they, they didn’t say—

[00:16:42] Trevor Long: yeah, so he did, he did. I’ve just done my I found my transcript. This year we embarked on a deep collaboration with Google leveraging technologies behind their Gemini family of models. Now, that’s once the word Google was mentioned, once in the whole keynote, right?

[00:16:57] Stephen Fenech: There you go.

[00:16:58] Trevor Long: But, but what’s really important is, and this is the, this is the discerning point of this thing, is what they’ve bought from Google is not the ability to use Gemini on a phone like Samsung’s done. It’s not the ability for them to rebadge Gemini as Siri. What they bought was everything underneath Gemini, which is all the large language models and the mechanisms that makes Gemini smart. And they’ve bought them and they’ve put them onto iPhones. It’s within the iOS. Yep. Okay. And then there’s a— there’s— so there’s essentially 4 of them. There’s one that’s on your phone, and then there’s 3 that are in the cloud, the private cloud compute., and, you know, your phone decides which, which it needs and how it does it. And, you know, on-device processing is critical, private cloud compute is critical, and part of that private cloud compute has expanded. It is not just Apple’s hardware they’ve built with, you know, the A19 processor or whatever it was. There are parts of the private cloud compute which are NVIDIA, um, powered on Google Cloud. Oh, but still private, still within the private cloud compute. So because they’re running Apple software, the— there is no way for Apple or anyone else to read what’s happening on them. So it’s just deleting information.

[00:18:18] Stephen Fenech: Just so people know too, the private cloud compute and privacy— we’ll talk about like critical importance of privacy. So the private cloud compute is when your device needs to go off device to, to fulfill some search or request And then off the— in that, in that space, there is a— there’s no data that’s stored. Your data is not used to learn for anyone else.

[00:18:45] Trevor Long: No.

[00:18:46] Stephen Fenech: And it’s all wiped clean. Is that fair?

[00:18:48] Trevor Long: That’s 100% correct. Yep. And that extends to any— I turned your camera off because it’s buffering badly, mate. Okay. That extends to any part of your AI interaction with Siri, even if it uses— at the biggest extent, even if it uses the Google part of the private cloud compute. So that’s, that’s the deal. So what they’ve essentially done is gone, hey, we think your model is great. But the other way it was explained is, if you think about AI as being, you know, the request you make on your device, the language models, and then the knowledge— so what’s on the web and the knowledge that it’s learned it’s not even using Google’s knowledge, it’s using Apple-developed knowledge. Yes. And that’s again really important differentiator. It’s not really Gemini at all.

[00:19:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:19:38] Trevor Long: But it does have the smarts and the power of Gemini, so which is why they can do better image generation and, and, and text creation.

[00:19:45] Stephen Fenech: They said that Siri has broad world knowledge.

[00:19:49] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:19:50] Stephen Fenech: To, to get, uh, So you get the latest information from the web on virtually any topic and receive information on even the most detailed questions.

[00:20:01] Trevor Long: Yes. And additionally, uh, pre-existing knowledge that Apple has, has researched or created and built into their, into their model. Um, what I think is most important here, so you’ve got that relationship with Google which underpins it all, um, and then you’ve got this complete rebadging of Siri called Siri AI. Yep. And the ability for Siri to be exactly what they, they asked for 2 years ago, which is understand personal context. Now, I already had a really, really witty question from a mate of mine who texted me and said, if I change phones, does the, the knowledge that it have about me transfer across the new one? And so I was with Bob Borchers this afternoon and one of the other engineers whose name I don’t remember with apologies, but I asked that question and no, it does not. Oh, because, because the, the knowledge that is created about you is never part of, you know, it’s never sent into the cloud to back up or anything like that. It literally lives within your device, the secure enclave, in the same way that your Face ID doesn’t transfer over.

[00:21:10] Stephen Fenech: Yes.

[00:21:11] Trevor Long: So what happens is when you set up a new phone or when you first get iOS 27 The phone begins the process of indexing every bit of content on it. So every photo, every email, every text message, every interaction, everything on the phone gets indexed. And I said to them, I said, you know, you’re going to have a problem in the next 24 hours, 48 hours. There’s going to be a bunch of nerds who download the developer beta and they’ll say it doesn’t work because it doesn’t know anything about me, doesn’t read a text message. Yeah, because it’s going to take— they said normally a day, perhaps 2 days, because it does all this indexing while you sleep and while the phone’s charging. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, right. And there’s no indicator that it doesn’t—

[00:21:53] Stephen Fenech: it gets a lot of its knowledge though from, from your emails and your text messages.

[00:21:57] Trevor Long: Yes, but it’s got to have that personal information as well.

[00:22:00] Stephen Fenech: So that takes— is that the indexing you’re talking about?

[00:22:01] Trevor Long: That’s the indexing. Yeah, everything on your phone. So all the emails in that exist, anything that’s stored on your phone from text messages to emails to whatever it might be are able to be indexed. Um, and that takes time. Now the time isn’t long, but it’s a couple of days. And so basically if you change phones, but within a couple of days of having a new phone, you’ll be fully indexed again. Uh, so yeah, and look, there’s some need for app developers, third-party app developers, to integrate, uh, what they call the App Intents framework and things like this so that they can be indexed. Um, so there’s a bunch of things that need to happen across every app for it to really work, but obviously Apple’s hoping that you’re using, you know, Messages and email that, that, that is indexable. So for example, the Outlook, uh, software on, on iPhone is, uh, app intent enabled. So if you’re using Outlook for your work email, it, it will be part of this search. But I would argue the Gmail app is probably not. But the bottom line is your phone, once it gets iOS 27, will spend time building a database of everything it knows about you, and that knowledge never leaves your phone. Never, ever, ever leaves your phone. The best example of that was, uh, um, one where they go, okay, um, hey Siri, does, uh, can you tell me who, what, who’s bringing what food to this weekend’s, you know, viewing night of a football game, right? And so what it does, it goes and checks the the message thread from that chat group, and yeah, it says, oh, well, Steve’s bringing sausages, Trev’s bringing hot dogs, whatever, whatever, whatever. And then you ask a follow-up question with, with, uh, context remembered. You say, uh, what drinks would go with that? So the critical follow-up there is you don’t need to say what drinks go with that meal, what drinks go with sausages and hot dogs. You just say what drinks go with that. And what happens is if Siri can’t process that answer on device and it goes to the private cloud, The only information that is sent to the private cloud is drink match with hot dogs, drink match with sausages. It doesn’t say Stephen, it doesn’t say Trevor, doesn’t say football. So it only sends the contextual information that are required to give you an answer into that private cloud.

[00:24:14] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, fair enough. I did notice too that they, like, they made the decision to— well, Siri and Apple Intelligence, so they treated them as two different things even though one is sort of feeding the other. One is feeding it. So I thought that was interesting. But the, the, the new features of Siri, like, you know, being able to make the voice more expressive and change the pace of the voice and things like that, that was, that was not, not a bad new feature.

[00:24:41] Trevor Long: Which, by the way, yeah, he’s only available on iPhone 17 Pro, Pro Max. Yeah, right. And I got a verbal list but not a full list, basically. The latest, absolute true latest, like M5, M4 chips. So they talked about the dictation. There’s two levels of dictation with Siri or with Apple Intelligence in phone. Your basic level is on it on all of them, but then there’s this really advanced level, um, on those more modern devices. And that ability to change the pace of Siri and its expression only exists on the advanced devices.

[00:25:16] Stephen Fenech: So also all the, the, the premium features like the writing tools, sort of with the correcting your grammar and punctuation in real time. That’s all advanced. And I’d imagine all the, the new, the next generation’s, uh, features in like all the image, image playground and the image editing.

[00:25:35] Trevor Long: No, I don’t know that to be true because that’s all happening in the cloud primarily. Okay, that’s happening in the private cloud. It’s really only dictation. All I’ve heard verbally from a, from an Apple spokesperson or representative is The dictation and, um, what was the other thing I just said? The dictation and the Siri voice change playground and the voice— okay, cool. Voice changing, uh, on advanced devices. Everything else appears to be backwards compatible to any Apple intelligence device. So iPhone 15 Pro and onwards.

[00:26:06] Stephen Fenech: Well, what stood out for me was, uh, the, the Siri dictation, which we already mentioned.

[00:26:12] Trevor Long: It’s—

[00:26:13] Stephen Fenech: well, now finally you can dig into your emails and, and The demonstration that they gave 2 years ago can now actually happen, which is good news. But in the Apple intelligence side, uh, very impressed with the image editing, you know, the cleanup and the extend the photo, reframing, the spatial reframing. Wow, that was amazing how you could sort of change the, the camera angle after you’ve taken the photo. That was remarkable. Yeah, I mean, again, that’s going to be a late— and a feature for the very latest iPhones, I’d imagine.

[00:26:45] Trevor Long: You think?

[00:26:46] Stephen Fenech: I’d say so.

[00:26:47] Trevor Long: I don’t know that to be true. I mean, that stuff takes a lot of computing to do it. Private cloud compute. That’s the point, is if you need to compute, it should be private cloud compute. You think so? Okay. Whereas dictation is an on-device thing. Think about it, dictation is on device. It happens, has to happen in real time. Siri, the voice of Siri, is on device. So those things require the additional processor, but I don’t think things like the, the image generation, image cleanup, and image reframe is, is particularly interesting.

[00:27:16] Stephen Fenech: I did find interestingly what Apple did, like with the image playground now, how you can do photorealistic, uh, images now. But generated images, they’re going to have a hidden watermark to identify they’ve been generated with AI. Same thing with, uh, not only the— so if you edit, say, say the spatial reframing and all the other things you do to, to an image afterwards, yeah, it’ll say that it was edited with AI, and then the other Image Playground will say it was created with AI. And that’s like a watermark that’s hidden that you can’t get rid of. It’s not like a little thing in the corner you can get rid of. It’s a hidden watermark, which I think is really important to identify the fact that, no, this is an AI photo, just to put it out there and make it— well, make it known.

[00:28:03] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think, I think most AI companies are talking about or doing that kind of thing. What I think is most fascinating about this is that we are genuinely talking about how Apple is delivering on the promises of 2 years ago. It’s legitimately like, it’s day—

[00:28:19] Stephen Fenech: just on that, just on that, let me ask you this. Do you think that Apple has now caught up with everyone else, taken over slightly, or what do you think? Are they sort of now shoulder to shoulder with everyone else? Have they caught everyone, or are they slightly gone and knows.

[00:28:35] Trevor Long: The question here is, who’s everyone else?

[00:28:37] Stephen Fenech: Well, I’m talking, yeah, Galaxy AI. Okay, Gemini.

[00:28:41] Trevor Long: I think this is way better than Galaxy AI, right? Because think about it, in reality, Galaxy AI, um, started with Circle to Search, which is a Google product, which is just visual search. Pretty much every device can do that now. Rewriting letters, emails, text messages, all that kind of stuff, that was already intelligence for some time. But there is, there is no personal context on a Samsung device or any other Android device. No Pixel, no nothing, right? Yeah. There’s no ability to just go, you know, just ask a question that gets resolved across different apps. Samsung will say there is that kind of basis, but there just is—

[00:29:20] Stephen Fenech: I thought there was the context thing. Like if someone suggests— remember we saw the demo at the S26 launch where if someone has a— there’s a— suggests a date in a, in a message, then your calendar comes up underneath. And if someone says, oh, show me your photos from Australia, then your photo album appears.

[00:29:34] Trevor Long: That’s, that’s not— no, that’s not retained context. That’s, that’s context of the current thing. So if someone sends you a text and says, do you want to go see, you know, Empire of the Sun Thursday night at the Horton Pavilion?

[00:29:45] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I do. How do you know?

[00:29:47] Trevor Long: Exactly. Then, yeah, okay, okay. So Galaxy can do that. But what Galaxy can’t do is if I say Hey Google, hey Bixby, hey whatever, um, what time’s Empire of the Sun playing and, uh, and where can I get tickets? Yeah, yeah, that’s probably a bad example because it will just use the web for that. Yeah, right. Maybe this, maybe this, um, uh, hey Google, hey Galaxy, hey Bixby, um, what’s the, what’s the name of that band Stephen wants me to go and see? You know, like, that, that requires personal context, that, that requires understanding what that message was from Stephen. So in answer to your question, I think they’re ahead. If all this works as discussed and planned and demonstrated, right? Yeah, but that, that’s, that’s head-to-head with, with a device manufacturer, which is of course where you want to put them. But it’s in terms of—

[00:30:33] Stephen Fenech: yeah, I thought that too. I think they’ve, they’ve well and truly caught up here.

[00:30:36] Trevor Long: Yeah, well, in terms of AI generally though, I think, I think this is potentially the best example of AI that we will have in the market. Not the best use of AI, because, mate, I think it’s amazing that you could ask AI to write an app for you and it will code it for you, and you could basically build an app. That’s amazing. I think it’s amazing that you could ask AI to research, um, you know, all the species of whales in the world and generate a table of information that, that helps me understand, you know, how they rank from biggest to smallest. And don’t forget to include a geolocation. And a map that shows them on a map, right? That’s amazing. Like, that’s cool. But in terms of day-to-day use, once people— and this is going to take time— once people realize what they can ask Siri to do, yeah, that’s a game changer.

[00:31:29] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think— no, I agree. I think it’s going to be— and we’ll all use it differently. Like, you’ll use it different to me, and I’ll use it different to someone else. And I think it’s that— that’s that whole personalization and getting to know you better than, than anyone else through all the stuff on your phone. So yeah, I think, uh, yeah, a welcome, welcomed improvement here, and it’s about time, I’d say.

[00:31:51] Trevor Long: Spot on. It’s, uh, it’s about time. It’s, you know, it’s, it’s lucky that they spent that time last year admitting and acknowledging that this took time, and I think it was the right— no, I, I think what happened was Tim Cook went, right, ‘You got to get this done. I don’t care about new features.’ As I said earlier, ‘I want this done and has to be done.’ I’d say that’s spot on, mate.

[00:32:13] Stephen Fenech: They, they would have said, ‘Right, all hands to the pump. AI— sorry, Siri AI and Apple Intelligence—

[00:32:17] Trevor Long: they’re priority 1 and 1.5.’ You could almost say, wait, yeah, that the successful launch of Siri AI, should it come later this year, is a legacy of Tim Cook. Tim Cook’s legacy in the business, because it could have very, very long-term benefits.

[00:32:33] Stephen Fenech: And also, to get better, right? iOS 26.2 and 0.3 and 4 are going to be massive because maybe all the features they had on the back burner will finally be ready for updates. They won’t hold it over till 28. They’ll hopefully pump it out throughout the year.

[00:32:50] Trevor Long: No, I think, I think they, they tweak, they work, they, they nut away. And next year, in one year from now, they’ve got the ability to say we’ve got the best AI on a device and here’s a bunch of cool new things you’re going to do on your Apple Watch. And they’ll go back to the kind of ways of old in terms of presenting new products to, to us here at WWDC. But certainly a vastly different kind of approach and a real focus— that required focus on their, their AI direction. Yeah, yeah. You can, um, you can read about Apple’s AI innovations at techguide.com.au and eftm.com.

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Platform Performance — Liquid Glass, faster apps, and iOS legacy support

[00:36:05] Trevor Long: Now I want to spend a little bit of time talking parental controls, but before we do that, let’s just touch on the, the other part of this, which was the platform design and architecture and performance, which was very simple. But there’s a couple things Liquid Glass, brand new, very exciting last year. This year, basically, they’ve introduced a slider that says you don’t want it or you do want it. That’s the way I interpret it.

[00:36:26] Stephen Fenech: Degree of glass.

[00:36:27] Trevor Long: Yeah, yes, it’s, it’s not quite the opacity, but it’s, it’s the level to which you want to buy into the Liquid Glass evolution. And look, I think that’s a smart thing because some people just don’t love the way it looks. Others think it is spectacular and allows you to just kind of—

[00:36:42] Stephen Fenech: I’ve got new Pretty good.

[00:36:44] Trevor Long: Yeah, same. I don’t really have an issue with it. Um, the— we mentioned a little bit about the, the performance, but essentially they’ve spent time making sure that— well, the way they describe it is, and this makes sense, right? And goes to our point earlier of take everyone off everything and just focus on these, these basic principles.

[00:37:00] Stephen Fenech: Make it fast.

[00:37:01] Trevor Long: Find bloated code, um, find everything within the iOS that is unnecessary and get rid of it so that it all happens faster. They say apps will launch up to 30% faster They say— and this is an interesting one, a lot of people hate this, but it never used to be this way— you take a photo, you go to the photo library, and the photo’s not there. They say it will be— it will appear in there 70% faster. Yeah.

[00:37:25] Stephen Fenech: And then AirDrop. Yeah, 80% faster. That’s a—

[00:37:28] Trevor Long: that’s—

[00:37:29] Stephen Fenech: it was fast already, it’s going to be even faster.

[00:37:31] Trevor Long: That’s awesome. Yeah. What I want is AirDrop to be 100% reliable.

[00:37:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I found it to be all right when I—

[00:37:37] Trevor Long: whenever I’m sending photos and documents, stuff from my iPhone, share via AirDrop on device that I’m sitting next to doesn’t appear on the list is frustrating.

[00:37:48] Stephen Fenech: I find that too when, like, if I want to send Jo— if I’m sending her a Face— uh, airdrop, I find that if you turn off, uh, contacts and allow everyone— go from contacts to everyone— then it appears. I don’t know why, even though I am in her contacts.

[00:38:06] Trevor Long: I, I know that. I was going to say, mate, I don’t want to break to you, that’s because you’re not in her contacts.

[00:38:09] Stephen Fenech: No, I’m there, mate, I’m there.

[00:38:11] Trevor Long: Uh, the other thing that is worth noting here is that because this is essentially iOS 26.7 or whatever we’ve agreed, yeah, this— the legacy support for this is the best they’ve ever had. It goes back to the iPhone 11. So 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, and we can assume the 18, or with the name, that’s 8 years, yeah, worth of devices that will support this latest.

[00:38:35] Stephen Fenech: Like you, like you just alluded then, it, it mustn’t be a massive, uh, upgrade in terms of the the compute required for it. So that’s why they’ve kept it.

[00:38:45] Trevor Long: Just think about it, actually. The stuff that we’ve just described is tidying up, right? So that makes sense that it would go back to the same place. The stuff that we just spent 20 minutes talking about, Siri, only works on iPhone 15 Pro and onwards. So that doesn’t— any changes to the, to the iOS for iOS for iPhone 11 doesn’t involve that. And so yeah, that’s basically— it makes sense that it would be this far legacy, which is fantastic. And there is a bit of connectivity smarts as well, which I think is really cool. So basically it’s, it’s smarter for it switching between Wi-Fi and cellular so that you avoid those kind of dead zones that happen when your phone’s going, no, no, I’ll connect to the Wi-Fi now, I want to be on the 4G. Yes, that’s cool.

[00:39:27] Stephen Fenech: It happens outside my house waiting for my Uber to arrive. It’s still on the home Wi-Fi, just clinging on. I’m thinking, I don’t want that, I have to turn Wi-Fi off.

[00:39:35] Trevor Long: Yeah, now they’ve made that a lot smarter, which is sensational.

[00:39:41] Stephen Fenech: I really like— did you see the, um, the maps, the fly— the flyover mode?

[00:39:45] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:39:46] Stephen Fenech: Wow, it looks like what you’re watching a movie. That’s impressive. That’s great.

[00:39:50] Trevor Long: Pretty impressive. So the other thing that, that they focused on— so their first pillar, let’s call it AI. Second pillar was the performance we just talked about and the basic platform changes. But the third pillar was trust and safety. Now this is fascinating because it was presented as— it felt like it was presented as something new, but I sat there going, what are you talking about? This is parental controls. I’ve had these for— I wish I knew when I first set it up. I wish I had a date for that, but yeah, it’s got to be, it’s got to be 7 or 8 years my kids have been in a family shared group, uh, with me having access to their um, their approvals. My kids can’t download an app unless I approve it. Even today, if Victoria wants a new app on her Mac or iPhone, she’s got to ask for approval, and that mom or dad have got to say yes.

Trust & Safety — Parental controls, Ask to Browse, and screen time improvements

[00:40:39] Stephen Fenech: So let me ask you then, you’re in a great position to, to see this. So what percentage of features unveiled today are brand, brand new? Like, are these just better old features that they’ve improved, or are they brand new ones that are that have come up? I know they’ve created different time allowances and the different categories for apps and stuff like that, but what else is new?

[00:41:00] Trevor Long: My— I, I’ve been saying today broadly, I think that most of what they— if you look at every word they spoke about parental controls, I think probably 80% of it was existing knowledge.

[00:41:11] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:41:11] Trevor Long: And Stephen, you know this better than anyone, when you receive a press release from Apple about the new iPad, right? Yeah. And it goes, here’s what it can do, it can, it can process images this way, mate. Last year’s version could do that. But they don’t, they don’t tell you that it’s not new, they just tell you what it can do. That’s right. So what they do is they say, here’s our trust and safety framework for protecting kids, and they list it all. And unless you’ve used it or got kids, you don’t know that this is not all new. This is all very similar. But, but I’m, I’m supportive of this because what it does is it makes more people talk about it, understand it, and hear about it. But what’s new What’s primarily new is Ask to Browse. So your 9-year-old will have a very strict set of websites that they can visit. If they want to visit another one, like if one of their mates sends them a text with a link, or they just type in the address, it just blocks the website and says you got to ask permission to view this. And then it sends that in a text message to the parents, and the parents go yes or no.

[00:42:12] Stephen Fenech: So your, your cheeky mate from school can’t send you a link to a porn site, but you’ll get busted. It’ll, it’ll block it. Is that what you’re saying? Correct.

[00:42:20] Trevor Long: Yeah. And if your cheeky mate from school gives your iCloud— so let’s say you’ve got an iPad with Wi-Fi only, you don’t have a cellular account, you don’t have a mobile number, so you’ve got an iCloud email address— and your mate Jimmy tells that thug Billy your iCloud account and he sends you a message, that message, it’ll say, you know, billythethug@icloud.com. Yeah, um, but the message itself, whether it’s a written text, whatever it is, does not appear. You have to ask permission to add that person as a contact. Yeah, now that’s fantastic.

[00:42:54] Stephen Fenech: That’s fair. Yeah, that’s great. Of course, sort of stop a lot of the bullying and everything going on.

[00:42:59] Trevor Long: Yes, and the parent can preview that message before they approve it. The kid can provide context by saying, oh, this is the bully, I’m happy to add him. You know, they can— the kid can say that if they want. But the other part of this, and this is again desperately underplayed is they can detect when a child is receiving or likely sending an image that is nudity, violence, or gore.

[00:43:23] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah.

[00:43:23] Trevor Long: And block that image until it’s approved.

[00:43:26] Stephen Fenech: And does the parent then get a little heads up or no? Remember, we— they, they said they know that this, this thing’s happening.

[00:43:33] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:43:33] Stephen Fenech: So basically trying to send a photo, or they’re gonna— someone’s trying to send it to them.

[00:43:37] Trevor Long: If they’re— if they really want to send the photo, they have to get the parents’ permission. Right, you can assume that might happen if, let’s say, okay, a real world example, um, you’ve got a, you’ve got a teenage daughter who is at the beach with her friends and she wants to send a selfie at the beach to one of her other friends. Now let’s say Apple’s AI looks at that photo and goes, gee whiz, not wearing a lot of clothes, you know, she’s in a bikini. It may block that. Now I’m not saying that’s exactly what will happen Okay, but maybe the bikini is skin color and so thinks she’s nude. Who knows, right? I don’t know, I’m trying to think of an example where it’s, it’s, it’s okay.

[00:44:13] Stephen Fenech: I think it’s going to be very conservative. It’s going to err on the side of—

[00:44:17] Trevor Long: you would hope so, right? Yeah, yeah. And you know, the girl might say, hey, Mum, can you approve this? I’m just sending a photo to, to Jill. You know, like, it’s cool. Yeah. Um, but, but what it does, it creates those conversations with—

[00:44:28] Stephen Fenech: absolutely—

[00:44:28] Trevor Long: with, with parents and kids.

[00:44:29] Stephen Fenech: And look, it’s come along at the right time with the social media ban and all these discussions going on about, you know, what’s appropriate and what’s not. It’s, uh interesting how it is working. The timing of it couldn’t have been better. And I think what— even though a lot of these features are brand new, I think what it emphasized though, it just seems that Apple have nailed it in their ecosystem. It’s a— it’s— I think it’s a bit easier. Of all the parental controls available, theirs appears to be— and I’ve never had to use it, thank God, because my kids are older now— but it appears to me to be easier to manage.

[00:45:01] Trevor Long: Is it? Would that be right? Question. There’s no question. Apple has the gold standard for parental controls. And that starts, by the way, you got to remember, that starts with the Apple Watch, uh, and the now called Apple Watch for Kids, which is also now available through Telstra, which is not available 5 years, 6 years ago when this launched. So you can buy an Apple Watch for your kids, you can set it up on your phone as their device and limit certain things like who they can contact. And you know, but you can track them with Find My and all that kind of stuff. And so for $20 a month on a Telstra plan You can now add a Telstra SIM plan to that, to that watch, which is awesome. And then they, then they progress. So they’re part of your family, then they progress to a phone or a tablet, and they progress. So they keep getting devices and you keep upgrading their, their access to things. And as they age, they automatically get their privileges. But as a parent, you can manipulate that and say, no, no, I’m— you know what, this kid is 14 and I’m okay with him seeing this, that, and the other, right? So you can determine their age group.

[00:45:59] Stephen Fenech: So is Jacko now free and clear, mate, or what? Is he on his own now, or what’s the go?

[00:46:02] Trevor Long: So, so it’s fascinating, right? Jackson is now absolutely an adult, so has no restrictions on his access. He’s still absolutely part of our family, right? So in our Apple family, he’s still listed there because the smart thing there is anything I buy, he owns, you know, because you’re in the family, right?

[00:46:21] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:46:22] Trevor Long: Yeah, the family, you know, your family. Um, and so yeah, he, he’d be mad to leave because he’ll have to subscribe to Apple Music and he’ll have to buy his own apps and all that.

[00:46:32] Stephen Fenech: Of course, mate, he wants the old man to pay for that stuff.

[00:46:35] Trevor Long: Yeah, he’s not an idiot. Um, and so the other thing that’s really interesting is the addition of these— and you, you, uh, alluded to it— these kind of time frame settings. So you’ve always been able to limit when your kids see apps, but what we can do now is you can say, listen, um, every Friday afternoon from 4 till 6, carte blanche. That’s, you know, end of week, you’ve earned it, right? And everything’s available for unlimited time. You could say, listen, on Saturday mornings between 9 AM and 11 AM, no one gets to use any apps except phone and messages because we’re all meant to be watching, you know, your sister play netball, right? So we should be present as a family.

[00:47:17] Stephen Fenech: You’ve got chores to do, you’ve got your jobs to do.

[00:47:20] Trevor Long: Yeah, but you can allocate the— you can allocate apps across groups as well. You can say, so these apps are social, these apps are learning, these apps are— and you can enable time limits based on those groups. Which is really, really cool. But the other thing is that the— in the, um, in the basic settings of Screen Time, there are now really simple, uh, buttons— excuse me— for pause all or free time, do your best. So there’s a button that says pause device use and you just go boom and it just stops the device from being used, or allow unlimited use.

[00:47:54] Stephen Fenech: It’s got the kill switch on it.

[00:47:55] Trevor Long: Yeah, so it’s like your kids having a sick day from school, click unlimited use because all the rules are out of play.

[00:48:03] Stephen Fenech: But I like how they’ve got the allowed— they’ve got categories now. So you can say, okay, gaming, you can play that on weekends, but after between 4 and 6, you’ve got to be doing your homework, can’t access them, can’t access social media, you know. And, and the times of the day too. So like if they’re at school and they need to— you also, as though they don’t let them use their phones at school much, but if there’s education apps, I suppose they could— you can allow them to use them all the time. Social media, some of the time.

[00:48:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, it’s very smart stuff. It is. It plays— and look, the thing here is, my concern with this is this is not new. Parents have had access to these things for 7+ years. If you— if parents haven’t been using them, why are they going to start using them now? This is the let parents be parents question. It should be the case that if parents want to be parents and they want to use screen time, that they, they should be allowed to activate that for their kids. But if you choose to not implement these, these, these things, if you choose to give your kid an iPad with your iCloud account on it, you’re an idiot. And, and look, in one of the— I went to a demo with the team that work on this today, and They go, here’s little Timothy’s just given a brand new iPad. And you know, you’ve got the hello screen, you swipe up, you click to set up, right? And, and the, the example was you click, click, click, and then it goes, are we setting this up for an adult, a child, a teen, or a child, right? You click child, and then from there on you need a parent to do the thing. Just that very demonstration proved that if a parent hands a kid an iPad and says set it up, what chance that they’re going to click child and not adult. Yeah, right, of course. So a parent really needs to be engaged from the absolute unboxing, and if you’re not, then you are relinquishing control of your child’s digital experience. And I think that’s the challenge that we’ve got.

[00:49:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, but I think the good news is though, like, I know there’d be a lot of parents and kids— most kids, you’d agree, would all want iPhones, and not many are sort of hassling their parents for Androids.

[00:50:05] Trevor Long: For Androids, no.

[00:50:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, so if they’re— if you’re in if they’re in the ecosystem, the parents would naturally have an iPhone as well. At least that peace— it’ll give them some sort of peace of mind knowing that it’s not too hard to set up and manage. Yeah, then that’s what’s deterred parents, I think, from getting involved because they think, oh, it’s all too hard.

[00:50:23] Trevor Long: Yeah, and look, I think the timing of this does relate definitely to the wider conversation politically around restrictions and apps and all this kind of stuff. It’s Apple showing that they’re willing to play a strong role in you know, controlling what happens and where. They’re putting a lot of emphasis on developers putting the right, um, guardrails around what age groups should be and shouldn’t be using their apps and all that kind of stuff, right? They’re doing all the right things because the conversation is happening globally around the same things that happen in Australia, and that is restricting things in a great way. And you know, that doesn’t really, uh, that doesn’t really work well for Apple.

[00:50:59] Stephen Fenech: So yeah, I think it’s a shame the government didn’t see all the control the parents have. Like with all this stuff. Well, they don’t get it, all the controls that are available, right?

[00:51:09] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’s exactly the problem is, yeah, government didn’t know that these controls exist, and the government should have said, these controls exist, folks, what are you doing?

[00:51:17] Stephen Fenech: Use them. Yeah, yes, yeah, let parents be parents.

[00:51:21] Trevor Long: Hey, that is our motto. So look, a bunch of great changes. I think if you’re a parent of a young child anywhere between 0 and kind of 12, 13, this is the kind of space you absolutely need to be in if you’re in the Apple ecosystem and plan to be there with your kids as well. And I think it’s, it’s credit to Apple, the work they’ve put into this. It is beyond anything anyone else is doing. And I know that Google have screen time and parental controls built in, excellent, but I don’t think they’re anywhere near the granular nature that Apple’s able to deliver through, through iOS. And well done to them on that. Yeah, good stuff. Um, that’s pretty much everything from Dub Dub. And, um, you know, the details are all at our websites, techguy.com.au and eftm.com. I know it’s a lot of Apple talk, sorry Bruce, but, um, it is, it is what it is.

[00:52:04] Stephen Fenech: It is their day, isn’t it? WWDC is their day, mate.

[00:52:07] Trevor Long: You know what, uh, Samsung will have their day. We, we expect an Unpacked event to be announced in, in June, in July sometime. Um, no, no confirmation of that yet, but we expect it to be announced somewhere in July. Uh, and of course we will, we’ll dominate a show with, uh, with those announcements. No doubt, Stephen.

[00:52:24] Stephen Fenech: Of course.

[00:52:26] Trevor Long: All right, who are the Rabbitohs playing this weekend?

[00:52:28] Stephen Fenech: Uh, Broncos on Thursday night, so, uh, I’ll be out there. Yeah, although all the, all the State of Origin players are not playing for Brisbane, so we couldn’t have picked a better time to play them.

[00:52:40] Trevor Long: Great news. Yes, you know, the Queenslanders are very, very good players.

[00:52:46] Stephen Fenech: That’s it, mate, that’s it. Well, Payne has played for New South Wales anyway, he plays for Brisbane and Tony Staggs plays for New South Wales as well, so two Broncos won’t be there. They’re New South Wales players.

[00:52:56] Trevor Long: All right, well, they’re ready.

[00:52:57] Stephen Fenech: They’re not the best, just so you know, in their representative colors.

[00:53:00] Trevor Long: Um, all right, mate, uh, thank you. And, uh, yeah, let’s do it all again next week.

[00:53:07] Stephen Fenech: We’ll be back in person in the studio next week.

[00:53:10] VOICE OVER: Bring it on! This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Stephen Fenech.