The Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars podcast – Episode # 144 – The booming second hand market for Electric Cars

144 – The booming second hand market for Electric Cars

Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars
Date: 2 November 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech
Guest: Brendon Green, General Manager of Automotive Solutions, Pickles
Callers: Seb, Annie

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[00:00:00] VOICE OVER: This is Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars with Stephen Fenech and Trevor Long. Thanks to NRMA Insurance and Uniden.

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[00:00:32] Stephen Fenech: Absolutely right. It’s not rocket science. Whether it’s an EV or any type of car, you should have a dash cam. And I recommend getting the, the Uniden model with the R at the end of the number. That means it’s got a rear camera too. Very important to see front and back. A lot of accidents happen from behind. So, and then obviously not your fault, but you need to prove that you can do that with a dash cam.

[00:00:51] Trevor Long: And it’s like someone else in your head telling you what happened and someone else might believe your story then, particularly your partner who might go, you did it, didn’t you? Anyway, thank you for joining us. Great to have your company. We’d love to hear from you on the show. 0477657657. You can send us a text or a WhatsApp message and we’ll try and get you on the show. A couple of calls to get to today, and we’re going to talk to Brendon Green from Pickles, Stephen. We mentioned this last week, we should get him on the show. It’s been a few months, they’ve got a new quarterly report come out.

[00:01:20] Stephen Fenech: He’s on the show as often as we are.

[00:01:22] Trevor Long: Careful, he might ask for a retainer. I mean,

[00:01:25] Stephen Fenech: well, where’s mine, mate? I haven’t got one either. What’s happening?

[00:01:27] Trevor Long: I’m pretty sure you’re looked after very well. Okay, folks, two blokes.

[00:01:32] Stephen Fenech: Sure thing.

Seb — EV ownership in Italy

[00:01:33] Trevor Long: Enough talking electric cars. Let’s go to your calls. And Seb is on the line. G’day, Seb.

[00:01:38] Seb: Hey, blokes. Thanks for having me.

[00:01:40] Trevor Long: I don’t think I’ve ever heard us addressed as blokes before. I like it.

[00:01:44] Stephen Fenech: We should mention at the top, Seb is joining us from Milan.

[00:01:49] Trevor Long: What time is it there, Seb?

[00:01:50] Stephen Fenech: Our international fan base is growing.

[00:01:53] Seb: It’s pretty early. It’s okay. I’ve got my Italian coffee here, so that’s keeping me going.

[00:01:58] Trevor Long: Well, you’ve picked a great week because we normally record much earlier in the day. So this has worked out very well for you, Seb. So you’ve obviously You obviously got some electric car stories to tell. What’s it like, the electric world in Europe? Are you an owner or you just dabble in them here and there?

[00:02:15] Seb: Oh no, I’m an owner for 2 years now and I was so happy with the experience that I recently bought a second electric car. So the ownership experience, at least in Italy, is fantastic. It’s like an electric car paradise. In that we’ve got massive charging infrastructure thanks to the European Union. But actually, EV ownership is pretty low in Italy, which means that there’s absolutely no issue in charging. And there are a lot of incentives as well for EV ownership.

[00:02:50] Stephen Fenech: Okay. So you mentioned—

[00:02:51] Seb: It’s a pity that the EV ownership is so low in Italy, but hopefully that’ll be changing.

[00:02:55] Stephen Fenech: So describe what you mean though with EV owner’s paradise. So how many chargers, where are they? What, what can, what can even Australians learn from what Italy set up?

[00:03:10] Seb: So what they’ve done really well is set up chargers every 50 km or so on the motorways, and they’re all mostly 350 kilowatt chargers. There’s some 400 kilowatt chargers as well. And what happens is you’re on the motorway, you fancy stopping somewhere, you can pretty much stop anywhere and there’ll be about 10 350-kilowatt chargers of which 22 are being used.

[00:03:38] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:03:38] Seb: Yeah.

[00:03:39] Stephen Fenech: Amazing.

[00:03:39] Trevor Long: It’s great. 10 and you got a 20% utilization. Come on, folks. What are we doing here?

[00:03:44] Stephen Fenech: What about, Seb, what about in urban areas? So say you’re in the, in the downtown. Are there plenty of chargers in those areas too?

[00:03:53] Seb: Yeah, more than you can wave a stick at. It’s full of AC chargers, 11-kilowatt and 22-kilowatt chargers and pretty much everywhere. So really there’s absolutely no issue charging here. Now, the EV ownership is only about 10% in Italy, so it’s really low at the moment.

[00:04:11] Trevor Long: It’s one of the lowest in the EU, I would have thought. You know, obviously it’s in Europe, it’s weighted towards places like Norway and Sweden where it’s pretty exceptional. But yeah, I was in Italy end of last year and it didn’t strike me as a solid EV country. And what do you put that down to?

[00:04:30] Seb: Maybe because you were in the south, because I’m up north and there the infrastructure is really good. I think when you get south of Rome, then things start getting a bit sketchy. Yeah, I think it’s mostly down to the EU because they’ve had this policy for a while and they’ve subsidized the installation of, of high voltage chargers. So I think that’s, that’s what’s really helped.

[00:04:56] Stephen Fenech: Doesn’t the EU— haven’t they got a bit of power power they wave around. Globally too, yeah. Not just in EVs, but phone technology and charging and everything like that.

[00:05:05] Trevor Long: I mean, I respect some of the clout they have in that sense, but then sometimes I think we could have our own independence. But anyway, they make their legislation. The question we have though for you, mate, is you had one for a couple of years, you just bought a second one. What’s in the driveway?

[00:05:19] Seb: So I’ve got a Porsche Macan 4, so that’s the one I leased 2 years ago. Nice. And, you know, I was pretty uncertain about EV, owning an EV, but my kids kind of put a bit of pressure on me. So I—

[00:05:32] Stephen Fenech: hang on, let’s twist your arm, Dad. Let’s buy a Porsche. Okay, then I’ll buy a Porsche.

[00:05:38] Seb: Yeah.

[00:05:39] Stephen Fenech: My kids would twist my arm.

[00:05:40] Trevor Long: How old are your kids, mate, with that influence?

[00:05:43] Seb: They’re old enough to want to drive it now.

[00:05:46] Trevor Long: Okay.

[00:05:47] Stephen Fenech: Right. There you go.

[00:05:47] Trevor Long: It’s all making sense now.

[00:05:49] Stephen Fenech: Now it makes sense. There you go.

[00:05:50] Trevor Long: What did you own before the Porsche? So what was your last non-electric car?

[00:05:54] Seb: I tell you, all I’ve owned all my life are Alfa Romeos. I was such a petrol head.

[00:05:59] Trevor Long: Yeah, of course. But you enjoyed going to the mechanic, did you, mate?

[00:06:02] Seb: Yeah, well, that’s the thing. I mean, I haven’t been to the mechanic now for 2 years. It’s incredible. Yeah, it really is incredible.

[00:06:10] Stephen Fenech: So Seb, were you— are you Italian? Were you born there? Did you move there? Tell us your background, mate.

[00:06:17] Seb: So I was born in Italy, but my parents are English, which is why I’ve got this unplaceable accent.

[00:06:22] Trevor Long: I was going to say, because I’m not feeling Italy vibes from you, mate. But you know, if you start, you know, rattling off the Italian, we’ll certainly understand what’s going on.

[00:06:33] Seb: But— Tranquillamente, tranquillamente. Se vuoi facciamo tutto in italiano adesso.

[00:06:36] Trevor Long: Ah, Laura.

[00:06:37] Stephen Fenech: We’re going to have to put some subtitles down, mate. That’s okay.

[00:06:40] Trevor Long: We’ll have to run that through translation, make sure he didn’t say anything negative about us.

[00:06:43] Seb: No, no, no, don’t worry.

[00:06:46] Trevor Long: So what was the second car you bought? What’s the new EV?

[00:06:49] Seb: Yeah, so I mean, the Porsche is incredible. It’s a beautiful car. It’s a lot of fun to drive and everything, but we needed a runaround and one that looks you know, a little less showy. So we got a Renault 4. Like, Renault are doing— are just knocking it out the park at the moment on the EVs. Really? Really. They really— I mean, like, the Europeans, in order to compete with the Chinese, have gone retro to try to leverage their heritage. And so now we got the Renault 5 and the Renault 4. So we got the Renault 4, and it’s a lot of fun. It’s a really cute car.

[00:07:22] Trevor Long: Yeah, I’m looking at it now because, see, sadly, Renault in Australia is like an imported brand. They’re here, but very, very small. So we just don’t have what you have. And that’s the hard part about being in Australia. It’s a gorgeous looking little thing, you know, real, as you say, there’s a retro vibe to it. What a fun little car. Is it common though? Like, or does it— is it a bit unique where you are?

[00:07:48] Seb: The Renault 4 is pretty unique. The Renault 5 though is selling like hotcakes.

[00:07:51] Trevor Long: Right.

[00:07:52] Seb: Especially in Canary Yellow. Look that up. It’s incredible.

[00:07:56] Stephen Fenech: Sounds good. What else are you seeing on the road, Seb? What other brands are popular EV brands brands are popular in Italy?

[00:08:03] Seb: Sure. OK, so there are a lot of BMWs, a lot of electric BMWs, a lot of X3s. Now I’m beginning to see a few iXs around. As I said, you’ve got the Renaults. You’ve got Fiats. So you’ve got the Topolino, which is like a little city car, and the Citroën Ami, which is popular as well. We got a few BYDs. They’ve, they’ve like in the last year or so, they’ve exploded.

[00:08:31] Trevor Long: Interesting. Really?

[00:08:33] Stephen Fenech: Wow. Because they’re huge here too in Australia. BYD doing massive business almost. So they’re neck and neck with Tesla in Australia. You see many Teslas in Italy?

[00:08:43] Seb: Yeah. No, you do. You see quite a few Teslas actually. I’d say probably they’re the most popular, but now the European carmakers are beginning to to claw back a little bit of market share. A lot of BMW, Volkswagen as well.

[00:08:58] Trevor Long: Yeah,

[00:09:00] Stephen Fenech: I noticed one brand conspicuous by its absence, mate, is you haven’t mentioned Mercedes. Are there any Mercedes around?

[00:09:06] Seb: No, there are Mercedes around. There are electric Mercedes, although not as many as you would think.

[00:09:12] Trevor Long: All right.

[00:09:12] Seb: I think like the Mercedes owners are still pretty fixated on, on petrol or diesel.

[00:09:18] Trevor Long: I think I see more G-Wagons in Australia than I do electric Mercedes. Like it’s just, yeah. Yeah, it’s just a classic.

[00:09:24] Seb: It’s just the new, the new electric G-Wagon looks very cool.

[00:09:28] Trevor Long: I think the electric G-Wagon is one of the greatest value Mercedes you can buy. It’s a $300,000 car, but it’s $150,000 cheaper than the petrol G-Wagon. So it makes no sense. But it’s because people buy G-Wagons because they want the throbbing V8 sound. They were, you know, they really want to hear that sound.

[00:09:43] Stephen Fenech: You drove that, eh? We’ve had the G-Wagon.

[00:09:45] Trevor Long: Yeah, we had the electric G-Wagon. Good friend of ours, Heidi, you know, she’s always been a Mercedes person. She’s got a throbbing V8 G-Wagon as well. She wouldn’t— no way she’d consider the electric vehicles.

[00:09:56] Stephen Fenech: She was a Mercedes.

[00:09:57] Trevor Long: Oh yeah, no, she’s had a— she’s always had like V8 Mercedes. Love. Any time she’s visited my office, I can hear her coming up the driveway. It is that loud. But, you know, it’s a fascinating market, really. And do you— I mean, obviously we appreciate you listening and watching the show, but do you listen to us and think, what’s going on over there? Like, what is happening in Australia? We feel a bit behind.

[00:10:21] Seb: No, not behind. In a way, you’re ahead, certainly with the Chinese cars. You refer to a lot of Chinese cars that I’ve never seen and never heard of, which is why I thought it would be interesting for you guys to get the European perspective to see what’s happening on the other side of the world. Have you? Or in a market that’s more protected than the Australian market.

[00:10:40] Stephen Fenech: True that. Have you ever been to Australia, Seb? Have you ever been down here?

[00:10:44] Seb: Yeah, I’ve been to Brisbane, but a long time ago.

[00:10:46] Trevor Long: Why would you choose Brisbane first? Not Sydney? Happy days. But

[00:10:50] Seb: I was on my way to the Solomon Islands.

[00:10:52] Stephen Fenech: That’s probably the right stopover. What’s your charging situation at home? I know that you say the public chargers are so good. Do you still have a charging setup at home?

[00:11:05] Seb: So I’ve got the trickle charger in my garage, which works fine because I just drive the car on weekends mostly. I was a bit worried to begin with because I saw a lot of videos on the internet of plugs that melted and the like, so I was a bit reluctant at the beginning, but I’ve been doing it for 2 years. I’ve had no issues and the plug’s new and it’s grounded and everything, so it seems to work fine. And then we’ve got a place in the country where we have a wall charger and solar panels and everything, and that’s nice.

[00:11:35] Trevor Long: Nice.

[00:11:36] Stephen Fenech: So Seb, are you that guy in Italy among your circle of friends that sort of is ahead of the curve in terms of EVs? Are you— do your friends also drive EVs? Are they still in the petrol cars?

[00:11:48] Seb: They’re still in the petrol cars and they still have got the range anxiety, which I really don’t understand. Which is crazy. I understand because I used to have one as well. But once you have one, it’s just not an issue.

[00:11:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:11:59] Seb: it really isn’t.

[00:12:00] Trevor Long: It’s a strange situation, isn’t it? And that’s mirrored across the world, basically. Yeah, true. You know what, Seb, the thing I’m taking away from our conversation is I Googled the Fiat Topolino. Is that what you called it?

[00:12:11] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:12:12] Trevor Long: And I’m— broadly in love. It’s a tiny little car with ropes for a door. It cannot be registered in Australia ’cause in Europe it’s apparently registered as a large quadricycle. So it just can’t be used in Australia, which is sad ’cause folks, I might even remember to put a photo up, okay? I might in my edit. But Google Fiat Topolino and you’ll be blown away by what is a funky little car.

[00:12:37] Stephen Fenech: I was lucky enough to be in your city a couple of years ago, mate. My wife and I did a great trip around Italy.

[00:12:41] Stephen Fenech: We started in Milan, Beautiful.

[00:12:44] Stephen Fenech: Well, we should. I’m keen to come back, as is my wife.

[00:12:48] Trevor Long: If his kids would stop having kids, he might be able to get back.

[00:12:52] Stephen Fenech: He might be able to get away. He might be able to get away one day.

[00:12:54] Trevor Long: We’ll look you up, mate, when we’re next in Italy, Seb.

[00:12:56] Seb: Yeah, please do. Love to meet you here.

[00:12:59] Trevor Long: Mate, awesome. Great to hear from you and for you to share your perspective. Thanks, mate.

[00:13:03] Seb: No worries. Thanks so much. Thanks, Paul.

[00:13:05] Trevor Long: Good on you, mate. Cheers. There you go. Wherever you’re listening from, anywhere in the world, get in touch. WhatsApp’s probably gonna be easiest in that sense. 0477 657657. Put a +61 in front and you’ll hook up. Hit us up on WhatsApp, no dramas at all. We’ll take more calls straight after this. All right, two blokes talking electric cars. So I did get a message during the week from someone who said— I felt like they said that you were letting yourself down on the, on the jingle dancing.

[00:13:38] Stephen Fenech: Oh, really?

[00:13:39] Trevor Long: You weren’t doing enough of it. They were disappointed.

[00:13:41] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so what? Not to my usual level.

[00:13:44] Trevor Long: Yes, just in general. The insinuation I took was you’d let your game down.

[00:13:49] Stephen Fenech: Oh, okay.

[00:13:49] Trevor Long: So I’m just saying.

[00:13:50] Stephen Fenech: All right. I’m glad someone’s watching at least.

[00:13:52] Trevor Long: That’s true. Yeah, that’s very true.

[00:13:54] Stephen Fenech: Can’t hear that on the audio show.

Annie — Towing a horse float with a plug-in hybrid

[00:13:56] Trevor Long: 0477 657 657. Get in touch and we’ll get you on the show. Annie’s on the line. G’day, Annie.

[00:14:03] Annie: Hey, fellas, how are you?

[00:14:04] Trevor Long: Really, really good. Tell us about the— why you’re listening and whether you’re in the market for an EV or you own one.

[00:14:11] Annie: Well, I am in the market for a plug-in hybrid, as I don’t think I really have much of a choice because I need something that can tow. So it’s pretty limited out there.

[00:14:22] Trevor Long: It is. It is. What are we towing on the regular?

[00:14:25] Annie: I’ve got a horse. I’ve got a horse float. So not super heavy, but— How are horses not heavy?

[00:14:31] Trevor Long: What are you talking about? Aren’t they enormous?

[00:14:33] Annie: Yeah, well, they are about 500 kilos each. So I’ve got 2 horses in the float and the float’s about 1,000. So that’s pretty heavy. About 10,000.

[00:14:42] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, it’s not a— it’s not a— what you’re saying is not one of those massive caravans or even more than that. So what do you drive now? How do you tow it now?

[00:14:51] Annie: Okay, I’ve got a Nissan Pathfinder. So I was a big Nissan Patrol— no, big Nissan Patrol lover. And I sold mine quite a while ago just because it was just drinking fuel.

[00:15:03] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:15:04] Annie: And I just couldn’t warrant spending the money on it. So I wanted to go get a an Audi Q7.

[00:15:12] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:15:13] Annie: But then looking after that and the maintenance was ridiculous. So I saw the Nissan Pathfinder, very similar looking car, tows I think 2,700. So I got that. I was sort of, I love it, but I really do miss my big four-wheel drive. So I’ve decided it needs upgrading and decided I want to get something like electric.

[00:15:37] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:15:38] Annie: Because now I’ve discovered the Tank 500, which I think you guys drove.

[00:15:43] Stephen Fenech: GWM. Yeah, I think I drove that one. You did? Yeah. Yeah, that’s it. That’s it. Yeah, that’s a big car. A lot of power in that one. So how are you finding that?

[00:15:50] Annie: Not big enough.

[00:15:52] Stephen Fenech: You’ve test-driven it, but you haven’t bought it yet, have you? You’ve test-driven it?

[00:15:55] Annie: No, very close to buying it, but I think I might have the record for test driving.

[00:16:01] Trevor Long: Hang on a minute. Test driving the single car?

[00:16:04] Annie: A single car.

[00:16:06] Stephen Fenech: Right. Okay. So what happened there? They let you have the car for a few days, did they?

[00:16:12] Annie: Which really— yeah, it surprised me. I went down to a dealership just down the road, asked to take one out for a test drive. I don’t know whether it’s because I’m a female or they don’t trust me, but my test drive was them driving it. Oh, that’s not very good. So pop in, you’re a passenger. They took me down a quiet street and then they allowed me to to do a 10-minute drive.

[00:16:36] Trevor Long: You’re not on your L plates, eh? That’s not your L plates. Honestly.

[00:16:40] Annie: That’s why I just don’t know. Do they do that to guys? I just— I found that very interesting.

[00:16:44] Trevor Long: I’m going to call that sexist. I’m going to call that sexist.

[00:16:47] Stephen Fenech: That’s unusual.

[00:16:48] Trevor Long: I’ve never heard— I mean, I’ve heard of, you know, the dealer coming along for the ride. Yeah. And sometimes I’m cool with that. Whatever. That’s— of course, that could be a trust thing.

[00:16:55] Annie: I went with them. I test drove an Everest about a year earlier and the same thing. They got me to be the passenger and they took me somewhere quiet. Yeah. Have you been flagged? I know it’s very odd.

[00:17:09] Stephen Fenech: So you’ve got L plates around your neck or nothing, have you? They know you can drive.

[00:17:13] Annie: You know what? I’m a driving instructor, so

[00:17:17] Stephen Fenech: that’s

[00:17:18] Annie: even stranger. So yeah, it’s— yeah, anyway,

[00:17:23] Stephen Fenech: you can

[00:17:23] Annie: teach.

[00:17:23] Trevor Long: So you love the tank. What’s the cost? What are you looking at parting with there?

[00:17:27] Annie: Well, I don’t really want to buy brand new only because I know that any car depreciates quite a bit straight away. So I like the idea of the demo.

[00:17:36] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:17:37] Annie: So I did find one up in Brisbane, which is about an hour’s— I’m on the coast, so that’s about an hour’s drive away. So they said, come up, have a look. Took it out for a test drive with my sister. We pulled into a quiet street, went through every button, sat in the back seats, you know, went right through it. Really liked it. When I took it back, he said, look, I don’t think a half an hour drive is long enough to really know if this is going to fit into your life. Why don’t you take it for a few days?

[00:18:06] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:18:06] Annie: And you went Really?

[00:18:08] Stephen Fenech: Sure.

[00:18:09] Trevor Long: So they went from, they went from not trusting you to drive without them in the car on a quiet street to handing the keys.

[00:18:14] Stephen Fenech: Different dealer. Different dealer.

[00:18:16] Trevor Long: Yeah, but that’s the experience.

[00:18:18] Annie: Different dealer.

[00:18:18] Trevor Long: Between two dealers. Isn’t that remarkable how a brand can— because can I ask you this? If that dealer had kept treating you like that, would you have bought?

[00:18:30] Annie: What, the first one?

[00:18:31] Trevor Long: The first one?

[00:18:32] Annie: Yeah. No.

[00:18:33] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’s really interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:35] Annie: No. So, so this was on a Wednesday and I brought the car back on a Saturday.

[00:18:41] Stephen Fenech: Wow. And

[00:18:43] Annie: he just said, take it as long as you want. He, he said that the car that I was looking at, he has basically put all the kilometers on it. It was about 2,000 K’s on it. He said, I’ve had it from scratch, but of course we need to move it on because we’ll get another one in as they do rotate them.

[00:19:00] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:19:02] Annie: Yeah. So in a way it was quite clever because I fell in love with it. I got to drive it up our very steep driveway. I drove it around, really got to know the car.

[00:19:11] Stephen Fenech: Did you tow the horses in it?

[00:19:13] Annie: No, well, it didn’t have a tow bar. Ah, car. So, you know. Yeah. They left out the tow package.

[00:19:18] Trevor Long: Sounds like you made your mind up. But can I ask you this? Obviously you’re getting it, a dealer demo, so it’s going to be a bit cheaper. But have you looked at something like the Denza? Denza, which is BYD’s premium brand. Honestly, I know what sort of car person you are. That Nissan Patrol, that, that big 4-wheel drive, the Denza. When I see them on the road, I go, that’s, that’s the thing that’s going to get people away from Land Cruisers.

[00:19:40] Stephen Fenech: Yeah,

[00:19:42] Annie: I really like the look. Well, yeah, look, I’ve seen the Denzas around. They haven’t been around very long, so there’s no demos. There’s nowhere down here on the coast that has them that I can take it for a test drive. When I get a second in my life, I will go back up to Brisbane. I’d like to take it for a test drive. But

[00:19:59] Stephen Fenech: yeah, what’s the price of Denza?

[00:20:01] Trevor Long: Denza’s gonna look like $80,000. Oh really? It’s probably $15,000 more than what you’re gonna spend, isn’t it?

[00:20:05] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s a bit—

[00:20:06] Annie: I think they’re more than that. I thought I saw one around $103,000.

[00:20:10] Trevor Long: Oh, so they’ve got a couple. Look at the B5. So it’s not— it’s so think of it like Land Cruiser and Land Cruiser Prado. Now the B5’s a big car, 3,000 kilogram towing.

[00:20:21] Annie: Yeah, but it’s the Denza’s got 7 seats.

[00:20:25] Trevor Long: Oh, you want the one, the one higher. You want the D8 or whatever it’s called.

[00:20:28] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so you want the 7-seater, is that what you’re after?

[00:20:31] Trevor Long: Yeah. Righty-o.

[00:20:32] Annie: Well, I’m— all my cars have been 7-seaters. I do know the tank plug-in doesn’t have the 7 seats because of the large battery on the back. I can live without that.

[00:20:42] Trevor Long: Well, hang on. You’ve just said you can’t live without 7 seats and then you said you’re going to buy a 7-seater, a 5-seater.

[00:20:48] Annie: No, the Denta 5 is a lot shorter, isn’t it? It’s a smaller car like the Tank 300.

[00:20:54] Trevor Long: Sure, but it’s a beautiful car and well regarded by pretty much every owner. I’m just saying I think you should drive one.

[00:21:01] Stephen Fenech: I think based on everything I’ve heard, everything we’ve heard. Yeah, I think the demo GWM is yours is the go.

[00:21:09] Trevor Long: Yeah. What are we even talking?

[00:21:10] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:21:10] Trevor Long: Why are you not there buying it?

[00:21:12] Stephen Fenech: Grab it. Put it in deposit.

[00:21:13] Annie: Well, I went when I took the Tank back, I was, I was pretty close to going. Bugger it, I’m just going to buy it. And then I did think about, okay, plugging it in, charging it up. And I’ve decided to put my money now into upgrading our solar system. So, okay, that’s all been locked away. We’re going to be putting more panels on the roof in November and I’m getting a SIG Energy battery into the house, which I think is about a 27 kilowatt. And that was a question I had for you guys that I think the Tank 500, the battery’s like 36 It wouldn’t be much.

[00:21:51] Trevor Long: No. Yeah, but, but you’re not going to charge the whole thing from the battery every time.

[00:21:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:21:55] Annie: No, that’s true.

[00:21:56] Trevor Long: Do you have daytime charging or are you going to be out during the day? Like, how do you hope to charge when?

[00:22:01] Annie: Well, I’m sort of all over the place. I’m a bus driver, so I do all sorts of different times and I’m not that far from the depot, so it’s not far to drive. So I could really plug it in any time, whether I’d even take the car to work. I tend to ride the e-bike down there. To work. So,

[00:22:22] Stephen Fenech: okay. But yeah, I love driving those big vehicles. Are you bus driver?

[00:22:27] Annie: Yeah, she’s a bus driver.

[00:22:28] Trevor Long: Going to buy a tank.

[00:22:29] Annie: I do. Nothing’s really big enough.

[00:22:34] Trevor Long: So she’s trying to emulate her day job with towing horses.

[00:22:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s right.

[00:22:39] Trevor Long: Look, Stephen drove the tank and there was, there was a real respect for the kind of luxury of the interior.

[00:22:44] Stephen Fenech: Very nice. And this was the one that had the— was this one where the, the little ledges, what do you call that? The side side the— yeah, the shin busters, I called them.

[00:22:55] Annie: Yeah, okay. I’m quite— my whole family’s tall, we don’t really need them, so I would have them tucked away and not using them. But if I’m taking my mother-in-law or my mum, who are— they’re both only 5 foot, I would definitely turn them back on.

[00:23:12] Stephen Fenech: I had them on for my mum, helped her get in the car. My mum Doris got in the car with the— this, what do you call them, the, the steps The Staggers, whatever you call it.

[00:23:22] Trevor Long: The Shinbusters.

[00:23:23] Stephen Fenech: The Shinbusters, helped my mum out.

[00:23:25] Trevor Long: Yeah, amazing. So, and I think you gotta remember the battery size on that vehicle is, as you said, it’s about 90

[00:23:31] Stephen Fenech: kilometre range. 90 kilometre range.

[00:23:33] Trevor Long: But you know, that thing’s gonna trickle charge. So you might also wanna consider looking for some sort of EV plan, even just for overnight trickle charging when there isn’t enough solar or you wanna take more advantage of the battery. Because when you’ve got the solar on and you put that battery in, you’re gonna start to see, forget the car for a minute, you’re gonna start to see those big benefits on your bill, you know, from everything you’re doing in the home. So the car is actually the least of your problems in terms of making savings in your home. So think about maybe looking for an EV plan that gives you the ability to trickle charge the car overnight. You don’t need a special charger, just plug it into the standard power point and you go from there, Annie.

[00:24:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:24:10] Annie: Okay. Yeah. And you never know. I’m definitely looking for that.

[00:24:12] Stephen Fenech: You never know, Annie, your next car might be a full EV.

[00:24:15] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:24:16] Stephen Fenech: And that way you’re ready. Yeah. As well.

[00:24:17] Annie: Yeah, well, look, if there was something that could tow that wasn’t a ute, because I’m not a big ute fan, I would definitely be looking at full EV.

[00:24:27] Stephen Fenech: I’d say they’re coming. They’re coming for sure. I think the next couple of years.

[00:24:30] Trevor Long: I think it’s a generation. Like, we’ve definitely got some utes and things now. I don’t think the first generation of full SUV electrics for towing, you know, like, call it— think of my EV9 for towing, which it’s not, but it can do. But, you know, I guess mainstreaming that, I think it’s still a generation away. So I think you’re in the right space to go get the tank now, get 5 to 7 years out of it, and then the world will be a very different place and the car options will be very, very different then too.

[00:24:57] Annie: Yeah. Even in one year, you know, the things are changing so quickly. So I do have a question for you guys, which I’m a little bit confused with, is the Tesla chargers.

[00:25:08] Trevor Long: Yep. Yep.

[00:25:09] Annie: So when I got the tank, I brought it down here. I had no way of charging it because they didn’t give me a granny charger with the car. So I thought, well, this gives me an opportunity looking to try, you know, public chargers anyway. And there was a Tesla charger at a shopping center near where I am, and I’ve got the PlugShare app, and it was basically telling me that there was no charge for it, like it was free. So I know there’s a few free ones out there. So

[00:25:36] Stephen Fenech: Tesla,

[00:25:37] Trevor Long: were these proper Superchargers, like the

[00:25:41] Annie: bays? It was just a little thing on the wall

[00:25:43] Stephen Fenech: charger. Charger. Yeah, that wouldn’t— that would— that probably would have only been able to charge a Tesla, those old wall chargers. Yeah, a

[00:25:48] Trevor Long: lot of the old ones.

[00:25:50] Annie: Yeah, I did plug it in and it came up green. It said it was doing something. So I went into the shopping center for an hour and a half, and at the time I plugged it in, the battery was on about 25%. Yeah, plugged it in, um, about an hour and a half later, hopped in the car, drove off, the battery was at 16%.

[00:26:09] Stephen Fenech: Maybe you fit into the establishment.

[00:26:12] Annie: You just powered the place. They pulled power from me. So my sister thought that maybe the Tesla chargers are only for Tesla cars.

[00:26:20] Trevor Long: So, so any, any of those little ones that are just, you know, they used to call them destination chargers. I think they still do. Yeah. But honestly, I wouldn’t be looking at those for other brands just unless you’re deep in it. There’ll be people watching and listening going, no, they’re fine. Just for the average newbie into this space, it is a bit risky. But look, what you want to do is go to the dealer And before you go to the dealer, find a local charger near the dealer, like a Plugshare, an EV, or, you know, something else that’s there, Chargefox, something like that, NRMA, Ampol, whatever you’ve got. And just, just so I just want to do one more thing before I buy it, and that is just go and charge it. Just want to understand how it works. Totally charging, yeah. Use the app and get that happening.

[00:26:59] Annie: Well, I did do that down at the airport near where I live. There is a— Oh, cool. And it works? Yeah, I plugged it in, took about half an hour to fill it up. So I just sort of sat in the car and that’s where I discovered that if you’re sitting in the car and the car is turned off, after about 10 minutes the whole thing goes off. Like the horn starts beeping because I think it’s— It thinks you’re a security risk. Yeah, the doors are closed. The doors are closed. So they think there’s, you know, like leaving a child in the car or a pet. Or someone’s broken in, basically.

[00:27:33] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:27:34] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:27:34] Annie: So you’ve got to turn that off in the car if you’re going to sit in the car. While it’s charging. Yeah, quite alarming. Yes, I did read on the Facebook site a guy took his wife to the drive-in cinema and the same thing, you know, watching the movie, the whole car just every 10 minutes kept on, you know, lights and yeah, yeah.

[00:27:59] Trevor Long: So way to make friends and influence people right there at the drive-in.

[00:28:02] Stephen Fenech: There’ll be a software update to fix that, no doubt.

[00:28:04] Trevor Long: Oh, no, it’s an option you can turn off. You just got to know to turn it off, don’t you? Well, you know, now you can

[00:28:09] Annie: say, yeah, I’ve gone right through every button. Button there possibly is on the car. I’ve gone down the rabbit hole well and truly.

[00:28:15] Trevor Long: So.

[00:28:15] Stephen Fenech: All right, well, sounds to me like you’re on the verge of pulling the trigger here, Annie. You

[00:28:19] Trevor Long: better do it quickly before that demo goes.

[00:28:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:28:22] Annie: Oh, there’s always demos. There’ll always be something. That’s a 2025. So I’m thinking if I buy next year, hopefully I can pick up a 2026. So, you know.

[00:28:33] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:28:33] Annie: Yeah.

[00:28:34] Trevor Long: All right, Annie. Well, as a Patrol-loving, bus-driving—

[00:28:39] Stephen Fenech: Driving instructor.

[00:28:41] Trevor Long: —skeptically Test driving, Annie.

[00:28:44] Annie: I love driving.

[00:28:45] Trevor Long: Yeah, well, you might want to tell the dealers that.

[00:28:47] Stephen Fenech: I’ve got to— before we go, Annie, I just got to ask, the horses, are you— do you race them or you just ride them? Equestrian? What are we doing?

[00:28:55] Trevor Long: Dressage?

[00:28:56] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:28:57] Annie: I used to breed Australian stock horses, so I’ve done a lot of competition. Now it’s just enjoying the days, going out for a quiet ride. So yeah, love it. They’re just a pet. But I’d also say the dealer that was was brilliant with me. He did only offer me $500 as a trade-in on my Pathfinder, which—

[00:29:18] Trevor Long: Tell him he’s dreaming. Tell him he’s dreaming.

[00:29:21] Annie: So I think I’m going to have to sell that privately because I think I can get more than $500.

[00:29:25] Trevor Long: I think you can. Yeah, I think you can. Okay, well, enjoy, Annie, and lovely to hear from you. Enjoy the tank when you get it.

[00:29:31] Annie: Thank you. And you guys have been a great help. I really enjoy listening to you, so thank you very much.

[00:29:37] Trevor Long: Thank you, Annie. That means a lot. Good on you. We hope to hear from you soon again once you’re far down that electric vehicle journey. And we’d love to hear from you at any point. You’d love to join us, 0477 657 657. After this, we’ll talk secondhand electric vehicles, get an update from Brendon Green at Pickles. That’s it, that’s it, he’s getting into it again. Ah, see, the fans have missed that, Stephen. They’ve really missed it.

[00:30:04] Stephen Fenech: Lifting the energy levels, mate.

[00:30:06] Trevor Long: Lifting? What are you suggesting?

[00:30:07] Stephen Fenech: No, no, I’m just saying, I thought my energy levels were fine before, but if they reckon they’re not, well—

Brendon Green, Pickles — Q3 used EV market report

[00:30:12] Trevor Long: Oh, I don’t remember who texted me, but someone sent a text and said, you know, what’s doing? 0477 657 657. We’d love to hear from you wherever you’re at in your electric vehicle journey. But one man who we are nervous is going to want to retain, he’s been on the show that often, is from Pickles. He’s Brendon Green, General Manager of Automotive Solutions at Pickles, and he joins us again now. G’day Brendon, how you doing?

[00:30:35] Brendon Green: Might—

[00:30:36] Trevor Long: again, yeah, mate, great to have your company. Um, you’ve brought out your quarterly report, uh, which you, which you obviously do quarterly. Um, but this is fascinating to us because it does give us a lot of insight. It gives the, gives the industry a lot of insight into what’s happening, not just in the automotive world but in the EV world specifically. And there’s one interesting thing that came out of this initially that we want to talk about, and that is the, the regional growth in electric vehicle purchases, because that indicates a couple of things to me. That if there’s a bit of a move regionally, that indicates indicates that there’s maybe less concern around that regional charging infrastructure. What did we learn in this report?

[00:31:12] Brendon Green: Yeah, it was, it was good. We were able to have a look at how many vehicles we’d sold to regional Australia in 2020, financial year 2026 compared to financial year 2025. And we saw regional buyers grow to 32%. Yeah, I think it was 32% of our overall sales and that was up from around 26% the year prior. So really good indication that regional buyers are getting more comfortable with charging and possibly even range anxiety. I guess some of those other things that have been anecdotal, you know, questions that have been out there for a while. And so some real exciting. And we also saw that the dealers actually went from buying sort of 27% of vehicles in regional Australia to around, I think it was 26%. Themselves. So both direct sales to our consumers but also to dealers on the whole. And that’s just two really good signs that there is certainly more appetite out there in regional Australia to move forward with EVs.

[00:32:14] Stephen Fenech: Another thing I see in the report is that used EV volumes are growing and they in fact reached a record high. That’s a good sign for the, for the category.

[00:32:25] Brendon Green: Yeah. So biggest month on record, September, we sold over 200 used EVs for the first— Wow. In a month. Fantastic. And I think we sold over 400 for the quarter as well. And that was another record. It actually beat the record we had in Q2, which was, you know, sorry, Q1, I think it was, which was on the back of that early fuel crisis. And March went bananas and we had 100% clearance rates and all those really exciting things. Q2 was a little bit softer. I think people held on to their they’ve used, used EVs and selling them, you know, as an organisation, you might hold on to that because if you’re going to buy cars, it’s going to cost you more in petrol. And then Q3, I think there was a lot of vehicle replacement as we saw record new car sales in the space, and that meant more used EVs in the marketplace. So some really strong numbers that we’ve seen over the last quarter in particular.

[00:33:16] Stephen Fenech: You mentioned the fuel crisis. One of the other things that you’re tracking tracking, and it’s great data to look at. I love a good graph. But you know, you’re tracking the fuel types and you say that basically we’ve started to stabilise. So we’ve had that peak, which is what you just talked about. But do you get the sense that that is the steady point now? Like we were trying to work out all this hype around, you know, new car sales. It’ll be the same. The knock-on is similar in used cars. Have we stabilised now where the market’s at, do you think? Think?

[00:33:48] Brendon Green: Yeah, I still think there’s some, some room to grow from a used EV standpoint. You know, we’re quite optimistic about the future of them. I think as you see, you know, when it would have been out, 25% of all new cars are sold are EVs. Yeah. So the used market is a bit of a fast follower behind that. And so we’re not expecting to necessarily get to that even that sort of volume within our business. You know, we’ve got we only sell 3% of the 70,000 cars we sell are EVs at this point. So we’ve got a fair bit of room to grow in that space. But we can certainly see more and more buyers coming to us and it’s probably less of an environmental driver these days, more from a, hey, I can get into a used EV at 30%, 40%, 50% discount from new, tap into all the fuel savings, tap into all the maintenance savings. Yes. So it’s a real cost driver, right? Cost of living is out of control in Australia at the moment. Just fuel, interest rates, everything else. So people are actively moving in that direction to save a few bucks is our read on it.

[00:34:49] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:34:49] Stephen Fenech: Is it fair to say, Brendon, that the— what you describe as the battery transparency, so the people seeing that the battery is actually still in pretty good health, has that been a factor in those boosts in the used car EV sales? Sales?

[00:35:05] Brendon Green: Big time. You know, as an example, so transparency, confidence, all of those kind of things we think we helped solve for when we started putting battery health certificates on vehicles. And that started back in July. So we’ve been over a full 12, 15 months now. And as an example, we had dealers buying about 30% of our vehicles prior to that point. Now they buy around 50%. So for the dealers in particular, it gave them a lot more confidence. They’re gonna buy something, they’re gonna be able to— That’s a really good point.

[00:35:35] Trevor Long: And when we talk to you, we normally talk about the used market as being, you know, mums and dads buying a car, but a huge part of your business is selling vehicles to car dealers to put on their used car lot to make money off. So they’re trying to get them at a good price to obviously make money off, but they’re not gonna do that if they don’t understand the market, which probably a lot don’t, let’s be honest. And so you’re giving them that confidence with that transparency.

[00:35:59] Brendon Green: Transparency. There was a lot of used EV buyers are very well-educated. They were asking all these questions about the health of the battery and they literally couldn’t answer them. Yeah. Now they can with the battery health certificate. So it’s given them a great platform to be able to sell from. We’ve seen over 250 dealers buy their first EV from Pickles since we bought in the battery health certificate. So there’s always dealers that have been quite resistive. Now there’s more transparency. And they’re well-educated so that they’re actively buying these cars. And we talk to dealers now and they’re saying, hey, in this, in this fuel crisis, I’m just not getting phone calls if I don’t have used EVs on my lot to sell. So it’s, it’s really encouraged them to, to broaden their, their sale of the typical ICE cars that they would typically, they used to chase. Now they’re including EVs and we’re not talking tens and 20s and 30s and 40s, but they’re starting to get in the game and they need to do do that because a lot of them were just rusted onto ICE vehicles and that’s all you would sell. So it’s great to see some more diversity coming through from them.

[00:37:02] Stephen Fenech: And are we— the boost in the used car, used EVs, are you seeing a pattern in terms of like what brands are people looking at? Is there any brand in particular that sticks out or are they all doing pretty well?

[00:37:18] Brendon Green: Look, they’re all doing fairly well. Like, you know, we’re just seeing more BYD because there’s more BYD on on the road. Tesla is still the number one brand. You know, it’s roughly about 30% of what we sell. BYD has grown. Hyundai’s probably shrunk a little bit because, you know, from what they were, they used to have quite a number. They used to have a lot with the governments. And now that’s— yeah, that’s true. Now there’s new brands.

[00:37:41] Stephen Fenech: They got the early run on the governments in a lot of places.

[00:37:43] Brendon Green: Yeah, correct. And then now there’s just, you know, we’re seeing lots of different vehicles come through on a regular basis, but they do take a little bit of time. You know, a brand new A car doesn’t typically get to us, you know, the average age is 3 years, 3 years of age. So it’s got to take a little bit of time for the Z cars to start flowing through and other brands. But we are starting to see more and more vehicles come through. We actually sell some on behalf of BYD Australia. They’re actively pushing vehicles through us as well to push sales results so that the fleet managers that are buying them, they get access to a lot of our data and that’s building credibility. Ability with the fleet managers around residual value setting and the prices we’re getting. So some strategic moves by some of the OEMs out there to push product in the market and, and influence residual value risk along the way in those fleet circles, which are a big buyer ultimately of, of electric vehicles.

[00:38:35] Trevor Long: Of course. Yeah. One interesting one which I probably have never thought about, and we’ve spoken a lot about the lifecycle and the industry around EVs in our main insurance, one of our Sponsors have talked a lot about needing to upskill service centers and repair centers and all those kind of things. But you’ve got some data about salvage values now, not in, not an area I’m even understanding. But the basic point that I took from the Q3 report for

[00:38:58] Trevor Long: 2026 was that you’re seeing a different trend, a different curve, the way salvage values operate with EVs versus essentially petrol or diesel cars. What is that and why?

[00:39:10] Brendon Green: Yeah. So if you think the average salvage vehicle we sell, so that’s a vehicle that’s been written off and the insurance company says it’s too expensive for me to repair this to put back on the road, therefore I’ll write it off and I’ll sell it through Pickles. We sell about 170,000 written-off vehicles every year. But so it’s a big number. But those cars are typically sold for parts generally, or they can be rectified and put back on the road. Depends on there’s a repairable write-off status that can be put back on the road and there’s a stat write-off when— so they can’t be from a statutory perspective, can never be repaired. With ICE vehicles as they age, all that’s salvageable typically is the parts that are in it. With an EV, you’ve got the battery plus the parts. So there’s already a big part of an asset that is becoming as these vehicles age. So we looked at 7 to 12-year-old cars that had done, you know, sorry, that were less than sort of $40,000 in value, we could see some, you know, in the 16% uplifts and over 50% uplifts in some of the segments we sell. So really, really interesting dynamic. And those buyers are not your typical used EV buyer. They are people that are looking to do something with that battery, whether that’s into repurposing that battery for an industrial warehouse setup or potentially a home home setup and the like, solar guys that are starting to do different things, electricians that are starting to do different things. I deal— and then there’s the recycling industry off the back of that as well. So there’s new markets opening and that will really play out probably more in about another 10 years when the first of, say, the 2019 Model 3s on the first en masse vehicle for Australia, when they start to expire and those batteries are a little bit tired and they need to be replaced potentially, that’s when you’ll see those industries more stand up. But they want to start playing now and they’re playing and all I can get is the salvage ones, the ones that have been written off. Yeah, right. So they’re pulling out those batteries and doing different things with them. So exciting times.

[00:41:08] Stephen Fenech: And what about looking ahead, mate? We’ve for Q4, so the report for Q3 is out. So what can we expect? Are these similar trajectory in all those areas? We spoke about?

[00:41:20] Brendon Green: Yeah, we’re seeing growth, I guess, volume growth across the board. We expect, you know, novated leases will start to churn a little bit more often as well. So we’ve seen some growth in our novated space, somewhat in the EVs, but just novated overall. But we do expect, you know, moving forward, more novated volumes coming through. We’ve got a particular service where we actively target novated lease vehicles. Vehicles. We can pay out balloons and sell them, etc. So we expect more growth in that space. And let’s face it, I think 80% of novated settlements these days are EVs. Yes. So more and more of that market is going to continue to flow through. Another reason why we think used EV market will strengthen is there’s obviously some, some FBT exemptions that are going to start to get wound back from sort of April next year. People will still want to move into EVs and they may they have to buy a used EV instead of going and getting all the FBT exemptions. So we think that’s gonna, again, if you’ve got a used EV, there’s gonna be an appetite for people getting into them with cost of living crunch and they’re gonna look to, if they can’t get a new one, they’ll look to get into a used one. So we see some really strong drivers for building used EV values in the future.

[00:42:29] Trevor Long: Now, Brendon, before we let you go, we had a caller 2 weeks ago, Dean, I think his name was, who was tossing up a couple of cars, MG, 6, I think it was, and another one. And one of the things he seemed so adamant about his car decision, but he was, he was a bit tossed and turned with the battery chemistry. So he’s talking about the LFP batteries versus the essentially traditional lithium-ion batteries that we have in these cars. And because some of the companies, I think BYD is probably doing the best job, is really marketing this different style of battery as being better in many ways. His question and concern was, what does it look like back in 5 years and 10 years and what is the lifecycle?

[00:43:04] Stephen Fenech: Now, you’re not a battery chemist, I get that. But are you— is there anything that you’ve seen or that your partner who does the testing has seen that might indicate that one choice of battery over another is remarkably better than the other?

[00:43:19] Brendon Green: So we’ve done a little bit of work in this space, but, but not a lot, to be honest. But what we can see is there’s very little difference between the LFP LFP and the NMC batteries. So there’s a 1% difference. So I don’t think like, like we’ve, we’ve previously reported that most OEM batteries are healthy from a, from a state of health perspective. And again, we can’t see a lot in the, in the, in the chemistry of the batteries. I think some are nuanced around you use NMC if it’s, I think it’s for long range and, and some other drivers, whereas LFP is more for standard ranges and, and non-high performance. But so far it’s about a 1% difference. So I think there’s nothing really exciting to say other than I think all batteries are seemingly very healthy, which

[00:44:08] Trevor Long: I think is the perfect thing to be saying to people is I respect that there are better chemistries and better technologies, but it shouldn’t be the thing I think that sways your decision in the same way that we’ve talked, Brendon, about things like charge rates and your ability to charge public chargers only. Whatever. Like, basically what we’ve learned from you over the many years of talking to you thus far is, look, if you’re doing 300-kilowatt charging every single week, that might have an impact. But generally, if you’re using public chargers on and off, home charging on and off and everything like that, the state of health of these batteries is phenomenal compared to the mindset that existed around it. There’s really no marker in the, in the, in the industry that says it was going to be one way or the other. But the fact that we’re getting data still and continually seeing data that validates the fact that, hey, batteries are good

[00:44:52] Stephen Fenech: in used cars. And you can go to reputable places, dealerships now, and ask for that certificate, because that’s a really critical thing I’d say, Brendon, is people should ask a dealer about their used cars and whether they’ve got that certificate, because if they got that used car off the lot, like through Pickles or somewhere, then it should have that. It should come with that. We should insist upon that as owners and buyers.

[00:45:13] Brendon Green: Yeah, I agree. It’s, you know, if a used car dealer doesn’t have one, I think that’s what you should be looking for, that they can get them, they can ring people that will come to them and diagnose those batteries on their, on their lots these days without having to have a full subscription like we do because we’re doing lots of volume. So there’s those options out there for dealers as well. I just don’t know why you would probably look to contemplate buying used EV without that. Days. That said, you know, you’ve still got an 8-year, 160,000-kilometer warranty, which is a big, big nice to have if you’re buying a used EV. So I can understand why people just take the punt and deal with the OEM. And we’ve tested 2,750 cars, more than that actually these days. We found 3 that needed to go back to the OEM and be repaired under manufacturer warranty. So again, another little bit of evidence that there’s not much wrong with these batteries.

[00:46:06] Trevor Long: Exactly.

[00:46:07] Brendon Green: And you can you can put your house on it, that it’s going to be fairly, fairly healthy at the end of the, at the end of the use.

[00:46:12] Trevor Long: Nothing speaks better than raw statistics. And there’s no one that has more raw statistics on used car electric vehicle batteries than Brendon Green from Pickles, mate. We appreciate your time as always, mate.

[00:46:23] Stephen Fenech: Thanks, Brendon.

[00:46:23] Brendon Green: Thanks, gents. Great to chat.

[00:46:25] Trevor Long: Cheers, mate. And we’ll do it all again, I’m sure, when Brendon has more data for us here on Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars. Steve, we’ll do it all again next week. And next week we’re going to drive the Chery e5. 5, which is a full electric Chery that is out in the driveway. So we’ll take that around the block next week. But in the meantime, we’d love to hear from you. 0477 657 657. Come and join us on the show, tell us about your EV journey, and we’ll, we’ll share it with the world. Stephen, see you next week, mate.

[00:46:49] Stephen Fenech: I will be here.