The Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars podcast – Episode # 122 – The all-electric Ute? This landscaper owns one!

Episode: 122 – The all-electric Ute? This landscaper owns one!
Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars
Date: 31 May 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech

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[00:00:01] Trevor: This is Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars with Steven Fenech and Trevor Long. Thanks to NRMA Insurance and Uniden. Great to have your company, and shout out to NRMA Insurance in helping Australians protect what matters most for 100 years or more, and also one of Australia’s largest insurers of electric vehicles. And as we heard last week, massive spike in EV quotes, so certainly businesses booming in the EV world. And also thanks to our Uniden smart dashcams, very important that but when you’re driving along, you’ve got yourself a dashcam. Gary, who owns EV6, no, yeah, EV6. We’ve talked to him before. He started the EQV Owners Group and he also owns a Zica. Sent me a video of his dashcam driving along the road and a car overtaking lane occurred. Car pulls out very, very close. It wasn’t Dashcam Owners Australia worthy, but it was pretty scary stuff. But what he was listening to at the time in the audio was our chat from 3 weeks ago with the Zica representative Andrew. So yeah, shout out to Gary for that.

[00:01:07] Stephen: The dash cams, the Uniden have a great range. Make sure you get the one with the R, that’s the rear camera. Last week we discovered rear-end accidents are the most common accidents.

[00:01:16] Trevor: That is true according to NRMA. So don’t muck around, get yourself a dash cam, folks. 0477657657 is the number to text or WhatsApp. Send us a little WhatsApp or a text and we’ll get that and we’ll put you on the list. Lots of people to get to on the show, so we’re trying our best to get through all the calls. So be patient with us. But we’d love to hear from you. Thanks to Vodafone, you can just send us that text, we’ll get you on the show. Dean did just that and he’s on the line right now. G’day, Dean.

Dean — Leapmotor B10 owner, switched from Mazda after 5 cars

[00:01:43] Dean: How you doing, mate?

[00:01:44] Trevor: Really good. You’re a Leapmotor B10 owner, mate. Tell us about that decision.

[00:01:50] Dean: Well, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of a weird one. We had, uh, we were brand loyal. We had, uh, 5 new Mazdas in a row.

[00:02:00] Trevor: Oh, that’s very bad.

[00:02:01] Dean: And the last one that we had, the last one that we had was a CX-5, and we went went to get it serviced, which cost us, I don’t know, $2,000. And then they said it’s gonna need another $4,000 of bits and pieces to get fixed. It was a 2016 model, so it was like, it was long.

[00:02:22] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:02:24] Dean: And it was a diesel. So we went, oh, let’s just go and look at another Mazda, you know, upgrade, as we had done in previous years. And we went and had a look at the new CX-5 and were underwhelmed. Oh, so we kind of hopped back in our old one, which kind of went better and felt better. And then when the wife, the, you know, Minister of Finance, went and started looking at different cars and started looking at the EV range and then went, yeah, let’s go look at Elite Motor. And I said, well, what the hell’s that?

[00:03:08] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:03:09] Dean: And she said, you know, after looking at BYDs and Kias and all the other bits and pieces, there was a few criteria that the Minister of Finance wanted. And one of them, yeah, at the top of the list was price.

[00:03:24] Trevor: Yep.

[00:03:24] Dean: And then the second to that was range. So yeah, we went down to, I think it’s Northern Motors on Grimshaw Street.

[00:03:34] Dean: You know, we’re in Melbourne.

[00:03:35] Dean: Yep.

[00:03:35] Dean: So we went down there. And Brett, the dealer there, said, yeah, you can take it over the weekend if you want.

[00:03:45] Stephen: And that’s what you want to hear.

[00:03:47] Dean: That’s it.

[00:03:47] Stephen: How good is that?

[00:03:49] Dean: And well, we didn’t take it over the weekend. We just took it for a test drive. And both the wife and I were like blown away by the speed, the comfort, the quietness.

[00:04:01] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:04:03] Dean: You know, the big screen, everything.

[00:04:05] Trevor: Yeah. Everything that the Mazda didn’t have, basically. Definitely tick those boxes.

[00:04:11] Dean: Oh yes.

[00:04:12] Stephen: Yeah, a couple of observations.

[00:04:13] Dean: Even the new—

[00:04:14] Stephen: couple of observations. Sorry, Dean, uh, your wife sounds like she’s a very smart lady.

[00:04:20] Trevor: Very much so.

[00:04:21] Stephen: She married you anyway, so very smart lady. But also too, uh, I notice in your, your text to us, you sent us a picture. Yes, there’s a photo. Are they paddle boards in the back of your car?

[00:04:34] Dean: No, no, no, no, they’re surfboards.

[00:04:36] Stephen: Surfboards. Okay.

[00:04:37] Dean: So that, that, that was, that was part of my criteria for, for a car was to be able to, was be able to throw in surfboards. And I’m a photographer as well, so I wanted to be able to throw in, you know, 8-foot background rolls and, and stands and lights and all sorts of things.

[00:04:56] Stephen: So, so that’s, so that’s just with the back seats folded down. Yeah, that’s, and that’s enough room for all that.

[00:05:02] Trevor: Wow. Wow. That is generous space.

[00:05:05] Dean: Yes, it is. It’s very generous. We’ve got 2 adult kids that we’ve been driving regularly every weekend up to Shepparton, which is a 2-hour drive. And so, you know, at home we have the granny charger. I’m just going to, you know, quickly whip off all the bits and pieces that we got. Granny charger at home. And then we go up to Shepparton and hit the NRMA Supercharger up there. And that does— that pumps it up to like, you know, gives us another 50% in 20 minutes or something, or 15 minutes. I can’t remember exactly how fast it is, but it’s fantastic. So yeah, that’s—

[00:05:46] Trevor: so the experience has been a positive one because most people— yeah. And given your— how— just quickly, how long was that kind of research process from seeing the new CX-5 and going, it’s not for us, to buying the Leap Motor?

[00:06:01] Dean: To be honest, it was, it was Probably 3 days.

[00:06:04] Stephen: Whoa.

[00:06:05] Trevor: Wow, wow, wow.

[00:06:07] Stephen: Love someone who makes a decision.

[00:06:10] Trevor: The wife is— Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:14] Dean: Well, even to the point that we still have one Mazda. We have a CX— not a CX, we have a Mazda 2, a Ginkgo, which is the same year, like 2016.

[00:06:25] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:06:25] Dean: And that— and I— and because, you know, a friend of mine put me onto you guys and listening to, you know, some of the, some of the episodes of the Pickles guy getting on there talking about battery health on secondhand. We’re thinking of getting rid of the little petrol one that we’ve got and getting a little secondhand.

[00:06:47] Trevor: Ah, nice for the runabout, mate. Well, it’s a very smart friend as well. So in essence, with it, with such a rapid switch, has there been anything that shocked you about owning an EV or has the adjustment been completely reasonable.

[00:07:06] Dean: Now, there— well, I thought I would have anxiety, uh, range anxiety, but, um, you know, plugging it in and doing that, like, like you said, like, you know, a million times, that, like, your phone, it’s kind of just tops it up enough. Like, the wife, when she does go, she uses it regularly, uh, more regularly than I do, and when she goes to work, it’s only about 3 kilometers away. So it’s not like it’s going to draw on any, any battery power. So, but, and the trickle charge, you know, we have it set midnight to 6 o’clock, you know, the cheapest kind of rate. Can’t remember exactly what it is, but, you know, it’s, it hasn’t affected our, our bills too much.

[00:07:49] Trevor: So yeah, well, it’s a winner.

[00:07:51] Dean: It’s, it’s what a great— we got it about 3, 3 weeks before the fuel crisis. So, oh, You know, going up to Shepparton regularly would have been about a $200 return, whereas now it’s a $30 return.

[00:08:05] Stephen: So, mate, there you go. You just ticked all the boxes. You’ve landed on your feet. You’ve got a great mate who recommended a great—

[00:08:12] Trevor: What about the people that Dean is surrounded by?

[00:08:14] Stephen: Surrounded by good people.

[00:08:16] Trevor: Yeah, well played. What’s your mate’s name? Give him a shout out.

[00:08:20] Dean: Uh, he’s not— Well, he’s gone and bought a Geely, but his name is Alex Briggs.

[00:08:30] Trevor: Oh, it’s all name. Okay, cool name. We’ll look it up.

[00:08:33] Stephen: We’ll Google it.

[00:08:34] Trevor: Briggsy! Well played.

[00:08:36] Dean: He used to be Valentino Rossi’s mechanic.

[00:08:40] Trevor: Hey, righty-o.

[00:08:41] Stephen: Let’s just pick up that name you just dropped.

[00:08:44] Trevor: Can you get Briggsy to send us a text, mate? We get him on the show.

[00:08:47] Stephen: Let’s get him on.

[00:08:48] Trevor: I want to hear about his EX5.

[00:08:50] Dean: He’s also the one who put me on to you guys, so he’ll be listening to this. So maybe he’ll—

[00:08:55] Stephen: Good on you, Briggsy.

[00:08:56] Dean: Get up enough, enough courage to give you guys a call.

[00:09:00] Trevor: If you can put up with Valentino Rossi, you can put up with the two blokes. Okay. Hashtag 46. Let’s go. You know, we can be on board. I want to hear about Briggsy. I want to hear about your Geely, mate. All right. And also then you can spill the beans on Dino and his missus because she’s obviously— She’s obviously the brain to the outbreak by the sounds of it.

[00:09:18] Stephen: Yeah, that’s right. Good on you, Dino.

[00:09:21] Trevor: Mate, lovely to hear from you, mate. Well done and good luck with the electric future, mate.

[00:09:25] Stephen: Good on you, mate.

[00:09:26] Dean: Not a problem. Thank you.

[00:09:28] Trevor: Awesome. Great stuff. Good to hear from you. That’s awesome. What a great story.

[00:09:31] Stephen: Hey, you know what? You are—

[00:09:33] Trevor: I didn’t get his wife’s name.

[00:09:34] Stephen: You got good people around you. And you know, it sounds like she’s pretty savvy. She’s not, you know, not scared to make a decision.

[00:09:41] Trevor: No. 3 days.

[00:09:42] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:09:43] Trevor: What about that?

[00:09:44] Dean: Boom.

[00:09:44] Trevor: Also, my new motto, be like Briggsy. Tell your mates, okay? If you got friends that are like, oh, what’s an EV? Yeah. Just send them a link Get them on the show. Come on, send them a link.

[00:09:55] Stephen: Get them to recommend the show to them.

[00:09:57] Trevor: If you’re listening on Spotify, you don’t have to send them a Spotify link. Go to YouTube, find our show, and just send them a link to that.

[00:10:03] Stephen: Do that.

[00:10:04] Trevor: Be like Briggsy, okay? If it’s good enough for Valentino Rossi, word of mouth, that’s good enough for the two blokes, all right? Two blokes talking electric cars. We’d love to hear from you. Now, there was a comment in the EFGM Man Cave from, I think it was Danny Webb. Shout out Danny, who’s a long-time listener. If it wasn’t Danny, credit to you anyway, Danny. He was listening a couple of weeks ago when we were talking to— oh my goodness, what was her name? How many weeks ago was that? Emma. It was Emma on the Central Coast. She was a teacher, if I recall right.

[00:10:37] Stephen: Not sure about that. Okay.

[00:10:40] Trevor: But anyway, she bought a BYD and loved the experience of BYD Tigra.

[00:10:44] Stephen: And Danny goes, just out of curiosity, and then we asked to give him the bloke’s shout out.

[00:10:48] Trevor: His name was Nick. His name was Nick. And Danny said, out of curiosity, I’m pretty sure I remember someone else saying something positive about BYD Tugra. So I went to our good friend Claude for a transcript and I said, can you just check, does BYD Tugra get more than one mention on this show? And Claude comes back with episode 105. So if you want to fact-check us, episode 105, which was titled What Tesla Does Best and the IONIQ V review. Caller Greg from the Central Coast had dropped into BYD Tugra and this was at the height of the everything’s bad at BYD. Lots of callers saying it was negative. So Greg had obviously come on and go, mate, It’s actually not all negative. He went to BYD Tugra without a booking and the staff told him just to take a car and drive wherever he wanted to. No set route, no conditions. And he didn’t have a test drive that day, but they offered it anyway. And we didn’t get a name. But then obviously a couple of weeks ago, Emma called out Nick at BYD Tugra. So I think massive shout out to BYD Tugra.

[00:11:44] Trevor: Not just for handling Emma, but also Greg. That’s two massive stories. And in a— we’re just a little, little podcast here. Yeah. Across the— the wider breadth of things, that’s a big shout out to BYD, Tugra. So that’s the way you got to do it. We sent a, like we did a little compile of all the kind of caller conversations over the first 4 months of this year. And the number 1 topic was dealer conversion and the dealer experience.

[00:12:09] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:12:10] Trevor: We sent that to all the car companies this week and said, listen, just so you know, guys, this is what people are saying. This is what real people—

[00:12:16] Stephen: what the customers are talking about.

[00:12:17] Trevor: That’s right.

[00:12:17] Stephen: It’s what your potential customers are talking about.

[00:12:19] Trevor: I think I was a bit of a narc. I think that’s what I—

[00:12:22] Trevor: I think what I What I said to the car companies was rather than just listening to motoring journos writing their own reviews, we’re talking to real people.

[00:12:32] Stephen: We’re talking to people who buy your products.

[00:12:33] Trevor: And this is what they’re saying.

[00:12:34] Stephen: That’s it, mate. That’s it.

[00:12:35] Trevor: So dealership experience matters. And if you’ve got an experience, especially positive ones, but it doesn’t matter whether they’re negative or positive across any company, we don’t care. We’d love to hear from you. We want to hear about every car, every experience to understand the market in Australia. So we’d love to hear from you. Be like Briggsy, save our number, 0477 657 657. Send us a text or a WhatsApp. What’s App will get you on the show. Ah, there he is, Stephen Fenech, folks. It’s like watching an aerobics class, isn’t it?

[00:13:12] Stephen: Do you ever watch— did you remember watching that show when you were a kid?

[00:13:14] Trevor: Can I just tell you, I did watch Aerobics Austral— I mean, sorry, I flicked past it. What I just witnessed was nothing like Aerobics Austral, just to be clear.

[00:13:24] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:13:25] Trevor: We’d love to hear from you. 0477 657 657. Now, our next caller is Simon. He’s on the line now. Simon, great to have you on the show, mate. You made a comment on YouTube, which is why I said, mate, send us a text.

Simon — EV charging infrastructure and who bears responsibility

[00:13:38] Simon: Yeah, I was looking at the current discussions around the demand almost from people to say, hey, why aren’t these EV manufacturers putting in to build the infrastructure. And I thought, well, really, I’ve never been to a Ford Motor Company petrol station or never driven a Shell car. Why is it up to those?

[00:14:05] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:14:06] Simon: So I feel like the arguments are sometimes a bit silly.

[00:14:08] Stephen: That’s a good point. And I think we’ll see. You know what? It all started though with Tesla.

[00:14:13] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:14:13] Stephen: The first— one of the first EVs that was available in Australia was a Tesla. Well, first mass-market EV, of course.

[00:14:20] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:14:20] Stephen: And what did they do? They had a whole network of chargers. So it was kind of the— it was the Field of Dreams approach, you know, if you build it, they’ll come. So if they built all these chargers, you see Tesla everywhere, and that had an effect on people, and they bought Teslas.

[00:14:34] Trevor: And I look at it, Simon, and think to myself, I hear you 100%, I think it’s almost insane. And you see stories in the papers— sorry, in the online and stuff— where BYD’s launched some super fast charging process and they’re going to roll out X number of chargers in China. I can’t imagine that happening here. But I think one of the reasons— while your point is 100% valid— one of the reasons is firstly, we’re kind of— we’re— Tesla has ruined it for us by creating that conversation. But also someone’s got to do it. And if BYD, for example, Geely, Zeekr, Leap Motor, whoever you want to talk about. If they want to sell cars, they have to give some sense of surety to the buyers, don’t they? And so, I don’t know, cart before the horse, chicken and egg. I just feel like, you know, my concern today is that we’re selling so many EVs that the number of EVs on the road is not keeping up with the number of available chargers at peak times. Because governments can hand out money to charging companies, even NRMA Motoring Group and EV EV and Tesla, they all get funding from the governments to do different sites. But the fact is, those extra plugs, I don’t think, are keeping up with the demand for cars. And that, Simon, is why I think the debate is more about— I don’t think that BYD should build charging stations, but I think that there should be some responsibility around how quickly the market’s growing, maybe.

[00:16:04] Simon: Yeah, I think that’s absolutely true. I feel that if you look at the per capita numbers, and I haven’t got them with me, but, um, but for EVs versus businesses overseas, we are well behind in that way and we’ve got a lot more landmass to cover. And I feel like that, that really screams that we need to be doing something. I would think a lot of the petrol companies already have infrastructure in place on highways and have the locations well planned for that. They obviously have got to have to future-proof themselves anyway. And I think Ampol to some degree is already doing some of that.

[00:16:40] Trevor: BP as well.

[00:16:41] Simon: But yeah.

[00:16:42] Trevor: Well, if you go down the Hume Highway, for example, the the lamp pole at Pheasants Nest is a pretty shining light of how a service station of the future could look. ‘Cause it’s a, they knocked down, it used to be a Caltex, it was a 7-Eleven, they knocked it down and both sides of the highway, just brand new, the whole thing. So it’s a big, more like the old traditional roadhouse. You know, there’s a Hungry Jack’s in there, there’s a Nando’s or something and Krispy Kreme. And then there’s a service station, you know, your convenience store, but out the front, lots of bowsers. And I’m gonna say 6 EV parking spots. Whereas down the road at BP at Maroondah, one, you know, it’s a traditional old service station with one charger thrown in. I think the new build is interesting. I think BP is normally putting in two chargers with four plugs these days in their sites. I think in a metro area, so I’ve seen them at Artarmon, I see them up in North Rocks, that’s great. Two boxes with four plugs is good in a metro area. But then in a BP in Young out in New South Wales, same thing. 2 boxes, 2 plugs. Put more in. Why isn’t— why on the highway you should be putting 6 or 8 of the bloody things?

[00:17:48] Stephen: They’re going to phase it. They’ll phase that across, won’t they? They’ll sort of modify.

[00:17:52] Trevor: I’ve said a lot of times, and I don’t know if you’ve heard it, Simon, I’ve said a lot of times in the show, this— that’s Elon’s biggest asset is the scale of that network is worth so much money. Imagine splitting that out and doing its own IPO. It’d be worth some.

[00:18:04] Stephen: How many cars did he sell just for that that.

[00:18:07] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:18:07] Stephen: How many cars did they just sell? Yeah, but from people seeing the brand as a Charger.

[00:18:12] Trevor: I’m assuming, Simon, you’re an EV owner, mate.

[00:18:15] Simon: I’m soon to be. Currently awaiting my order from— I bought it in February.

[00:18:21] Stephen: So what did you get?

[00:18:22] Simon: The price spike. Zeekr 7X.

[00:18:24] Stephen: Oh, hey, another one.

[00:18:26] Trevor: Hey, what color? So popular.

[00:18:28] Simon: I’ve got the forest green interior.

[00:18:30] Trevor: I was— because I was gonna say, I don’t mind the black, but there’s, uh, in the channel I’m building I think it’s in a Microsoft parking spot. So shout out to the Microsoft employee who has parking. So they’re probably a manager.

[00:18:41] Stephen: And creepy Trevor stalking your car.

[00:18:43] Trevor: Oh, it’s on the way out when I’m driving out of the car park. There’s a, there’s a forest green one and it’s there. They must work early days because I’m gone by 8:00. So I saw it this morning. I thought, that’s, that’s nice. It’s a good looking car. If you ordered it in February, why is it taking so long?

[00:19:01] Simon: It’s part of it. It’s here. Part of it is because I was a little bit silly and ordered to get get the wheels.

[00:19:11] Trevor: Oh, we’ve lost you. Hang on, hang on. You’re back. We lost you there. You ordered something on the wheels.

[00:19:17] Simon: I powder coated the wheels black to make those orange brake calipers pop a little bit. And I thought, that sounds awesome.

[00:19:24] Trevor: At the dealer you ordered the powder coating? Yeah.

[00:19:27] Simon: Yeah. It’s the first time they’ve ever done it. They said that they stuffed up a little bit and massively underquoted me, so I’ve got away with a little—

[00:19:35] Stephen: Well, that’s their problem, mate. Well played.

[00:19:37] Simon: Well played. Honored their, they’ve honored their quote and to their credit. So yeah, but I’ve had to patiently drum my fingers.

[00:19:47] Trevor: You must be days away from pickup.

[00:19:48] Stephen: You must be hanging out for that one, eh mate? So pretty soon. That’s very good.

[00:19:53] Trevor: What drew you to the 7X, mate?

[00:19:56] Simon: Oh, look, I had a look at all sorts of cars. My Carnival was running. I look, going back to September last year, I was 49 and had a life-changing event where I’d had a stroke. And, you know, it could have been the end. It could have been a permanent disability. Thankfully, I’m actually pretty much very good. But with that, I sort of looked at where I’m going in life, where my family’s going, and I didn’t wanna leave my family with a car that is now more than 10 years old and getting more and more pricey to run. What future is there? And that sort of stuff. So I looked at the house, keeping the cost down for them if I was to go suddenly.

[00:20:39] Trevor: Wow.

[00:20:40] Simon: You know, what would be right for them? So I get solar batteries and all that sort of stuff, got those installed, and then logically came to the fact that, oh, maybe the car needs to be looked at as well. And I looked at the Novated Leasing offers and that made a lot of sense to go EV from that point of view. I’ve always been a bit of a car enthusiast, so I, you know, see that these things are pretty quick and that sort of thing. But Yeah, look, I hadn’t really, you know, I’d always been a bit of a bogan, so I sort of said stuff like, you know, if there’s going to be a fuel crisis, I wanted to get every little last bit of it as I can with the thirstiest car around. But now I’m sort of a little bit more older and more mature.

[00:21:27] Trevor: Okay.

[00:21:27] Simon: It’s, it’s—

[00:21:29] Stephen: And how is your health, Simon? How are you today? You’re on the way on the improve?

[00:21:35] Simon: I had to have a heart operation as well, just because that was the cause. I had a hole in my heart that I didn’t know about. And so that’s had its own little recovery period as well.

[00:21:48] Simon: And sort of a bit of a midlife crisis. I hit my 50 and ordered the—

[00:21:54] Trevor: Well, I mean, look, Simon, super glad to hear that you’re doing well and that your health is on the improve. What an amazing, strange experience to have that happen and then refocus yourself on everything. I assume it’s just given you a different perspective on life and what you’re doing, how you do it, and who you’re doing it for. Yeah, yeah.

[00:22:18] Simon: I’ve lost 30 kilos. I’m just eating healthier and smarter and hopefully setting my family up for a better future too.

[00:22:26] Trevor: Good on you, mate.

[00:22:27] Simon: And you’re driving smarter too.

[00:22:28] Stephen: You’ll be driving, mate. Go get that car.

[00:22:29] Trevor: Have they given you an update on the car? What are they saying? When are we getting it?

[00:22:35] Simon: I think, I think they’re sick of me, to be honest. But I’m sure they want to get their sales figures up and get out as soon as they’ve got it back in their hands. So it’s all on the powder coaters at the moment.

[00:22:49] Trevor: Well, mate, can you do us a favor and send us a photo of the powder coated wheels when they’re done? It’s going to look sick. You’re right about the calipers. It’ll really make them pop, mate. Lovely to hear from you. Appreciate you watching on YouTube and leaving comments because It just makes us feel great that there’s really people watching and engaging and that’s why we love it. And I hope you don’t mind me saying to you, mate, get in touch because it’s a great point about the charging networks. You know, it’s not on BYD, Kia or anyone else, but I just think there’s a balance between the responsibility of selling so many cars and then having customers going, “Hey, I can’t charge somebody there.” At least contribute.

[00:23:24] Simon: It’s in their interest.

[00:23:25] Stephen: Yeah, totally.

[00:23:26] Simon: And certainly for companies like Tesla or BYD where they’ve got their own stations batteries that they make and that sort of translates across. They’ve already got some sort of building infrastructure for it, whereas Ford Motor Company, they would know nothing about building chargers. So they have to be buying stuff at, you know, and then on selling it.

[00:23:47] Trevor: Let’s be honest, I’m not stopping at a Ford charger, mate. I’ll wait for a Holden one. You know what I’m saying?

[00:23:54] Simon: Well, that’s what I’ll buy from you, mate.

[00:23:56] Trevor: Hey, Simon, great to hear from you, mate.

[00:23:57] Stephen: Great.

[00:23:58] Simon: Appreciate it.

[00:23:59] Stephen: Thank you, mate.

[00:24:00] Trevor: Excellent stuff. It’s fascinating because, you know, we have that conversation. But the other thing, do you remember early days? I remember going to like Mercedes and Audi car launches where they were launching their EVs and things, and they used to come with like 12 months charge box or 12 months. Yeah, they kind of, they were throwing in charging because they wanted to take that not just the anxiety, but the philosophy of it costing money to charge away. And it also made it so much cheaper to run. Like, remember, you’re free of supercharging. So the whole conversation around charging and owning or selling a car and charging is kind of disconnected, apart from the fact that now some will either throw in or incentivize the purchase of a home charger and things like that. Other than that, the public charger thing is pretty much separated from the, from the retail buyer network.

[00:24:46] Stephen: He made a good point that, you know, they’re selling a lot more EVs, so they have— they do have some responsibility to help with the, the improvement and and the new, having new infrastructure, at least contributing to the thought process of getting it moving.

[00:25:03] Trevor: I’ve said it so many times that I think that the person that, the company that invests in EV charging will benefit long-term. And if I’m the boss of Ampol or BP, I’m trying to use all of our capital to build the best charging network along the main highways.

[00:25:18] Stephen: That’s for the future.

[00:25:19] Trevor: Absolutely. But the problem is, It’s the— and I sound like an anti-capitalist, but it’s the way Wall Street works. You know, you can’t, you can’t spend $1 billion on something that has no visible return for 10 years.

[00:25:32] Stephen: Yeah, you just can’t.

[00:25:33] Trevor: But that’s what needs to happen. But yeah, BP needs to go, we’ve got, we’ve got the best chargers, we’ve got a great app. You know, they need to back themselves and go, you know what, no matter where you drive, if you see a BP, we’ve got you covered. Yeah, that’s the approach.

[00:25:46] Stephen: What a great approach. Absolutely. And you know what, it’s, it’s I think it’s more complicated because everyone thinks, oh, let’s just put a charger here. But you know, how are you going to power it? They’re going to—

[00:25:56] Trevor: Oh, no, let’s be clear.

[00:25:57] Stephen: It’s not as easy as just putting one in.

[00:25:58] Trevor: That’s right.

[00:25:59] Stephen: And a lot of them are just solar powered. Like how— that would be probably the simplest solution is to have a big grid of solar panels and then that sort of distributing to—

[00:26:08] Trevor: The problem is that they’re green powered, but they’re not directly solar powered. You still need to put in the grid and the wiring that says, We can deliver 300 kilowatts of power to this little box.

[00:26:18] Stephen: That will top it up though, won’t it? Having solar, like so many Tesla massive charging stations in the US have all got solar.

[00:26:26] Trevor: I think you’ll find they’re there for visual pleasure. Yes, they’re charging the batteries and things on site. But in the end, there’s no way those panels are charging all those cars. But what they do is they represent green energy. And so if you go to— I don’t think there’s a charger I’ve been to that doesn’t say they’re using green energy, but the green energy doesn’t need to be there. It just means that when they go, Like, like you at home can go, I can tick a box and go, I want to use green energy only and I’ll pay a higher rate. The charging companies are choosing to buy green energy only, which is why they can say that it’s powered by green energy. Whole other debate around the regional rural chargers that are powered by diesel because they need to be because there’s no other power anywhere there. Leaving that aside, we’d love to hear from you, especially if you’re watching on YouTube. Leave a comment below. We love that.

[00:27:11] Stephen: Yeah, but then leave a comment below. We may reach out.

[00:27:14] Trevor: Get in touch.

[00:27:15] Stephen: That’s a good comment. You’re on the show.

[00:27:17] Trevor: I think it’s worth a conversation.

[00:27:17] Stephen: That’s what happened with Simon.

[00:27:19] Trevor: That’s how Simon got on the show. He was nervous, but we got him there. 0477 657 657. It’s your responsibility to lead. You’re the, you’re the troop leader.

[00:27:37] Stephen: All right.

[00:27:37] Trevor: All right.

[00:27:38] Stephen: I’ll try my best.

[00:27:38] Trevor: You’re the leader of the dance troupe.

[00:27:40] Stephen: I’ll try my best.

[00:27:41] Trevor: Never thought you’d hear that turn, did you?

[00:27:43] Stephen: No, never in a million years.

[00:27:44] Trevor: Let’s keep going with the calls. Jeremy’s on the line. G’day, Jeremy.

Jeremy — KGM Musso EV ute, landscaping business owner

[00:27:48] Jeremy: G’day.

[00:27:49] Trevor: How you doing, mate? You got a, you got a ute, you got an all-electric ute.

[00:27:52] Jeremy: I do.

[00:27:54] Trevor: Talk me through it. I mean, I think LDV had one that sold in very small numbers and it was like $90,000. But you’ve got the KGM, the Musso.

[00:28:03] Jeremy: Yeah, the EV Musso, the all-wheel drive version. And I’m just currently waiting for the tow pack and the hard lid to come in. So I’m still using the old D-MAX during the week.

[00:28:20] Trevor: So this is a business car for you. You’re a tradie of some sort. They’re all drivers of 380-kilometer range. How much research did you do into your own driving? I think is critical here. How much work did you do to go, how much do I drive every day to work out that 380 and probably less with load is going to be enough for you?

[00:28:41] Jeremy: Yeah, basically having a gardening business, having a pretty decent trailer, a tandem trailer. So maybe 1,000 kilos of towing. And then when you’ve got your ride on as well.

[00:28:58] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:28:58] Jeremy: So you may be sitting at 1,300 kilos. So basically I don’t think I’d do more than 100 a day on the day that I might have to go out to Smythesdale with the the ride on and then other days might be as low as 40 or 50. So it was definitely doable for even if you say 380, half that range, you’ve still got 190 and that’s plenty, plenty.

[00:29:31] Stephen: So what, what, what drew you to making the decision to go to an EV and in an area where EVs are only just starting to become more popular in the ute space? So what was the thing that triggered you to think, well, you know what, I want to look for an EV?

[00:29:48] Jeremy: So back in 2016, I actually put a deposit down for the Model 3. Oh, that was after the worldwide launch.

[00:29:58] Trevor: I think I did the same thing.

[00:30:00] Stephen: Trev did too and lost it.

[00:30:01] Jeremy: Yeah, I just went—

[00:30:02] Trevor: gave it away.

[00:30:02] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:30:03] Jeremy: Yeah. And then my son came along in 2017, so then basically had to change tack and get the deposit back. But yeah, just there hasn’t, there wasn’t many EVs on for the ute. And then I was surprised that going, oh, there’s an actual AGM model that’s all electric. And when you’re paying $140 a week, it was just, yeah, I need to do something. And with the security of the diesel not being available. And when July 1st comes, the excise is going to be whacked back on and a lot more pain. And whether or not we’ve got the fuel coming, it’s going to be a bit of a shock for the whole industry.

[00:31:07] Stephen: Can I ask, was the BYD Shark ever in consideration? And if so, why?

[00:31:14] Trevor: No.

[00:31:14] Stephen: So why not?

[00:31:17] Jeremy: I had a look. My brother-in-law’s got the Shark, but yeah, the— to run it in EV mode is like about 100 kilometers of range. But yeah, to then actually tow, it was quite astronomical. Some people were getting 15, 21 liters that kind of. And the hybrid was just never going to be an option. You either go—

[00:31:46] Trevor: you’re all in or nothing.

[00:31:49] Jeremy: Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:50] Trevor: The Musso KGM, it’s a bloody good looking vehicle. It does. It kind of looks more traditional Aussie style. You kind of low at the front end, but still dual cab. It’s a very good looking car. I actually, I’m flicking on the website, flicking through the colors. You know, it changes color when you change. What color did you get, mate?

[00:32:09] Stephen: Did you get— please tell us you got blazing gold.

[00:32:13] Trevor: You would have— you’re in landscaping. Did you get Amazonian Green?

[00:32:18] Jeremy: I sure did get the Amazonian Green.

[00:32:21] Stephen: Yeah, picked it, picked it in one. Yeah, that’s nice too. That looks like almost like what a British—

[00:32:25] Trevor: all-wheel drive, $65,000 or so. It’s actually bloody good value too.

[00:32:32] Jeremy: Well, I’m a Collingwood member, so I actually got— you get ABN pricing anyway, but Yeah, being a Collingwood member, I got that extra bit off as well. So happy days.

[00:32:45] Stephen: So how is Collingwood? Are they sponsoring Collingwood or something? What’s the—

[00:32:49] Jeremy: Yeah, they’re a major sponsor.

[00:32:52] Trevor: Oh yeah, mate.

[00:32:53] Stephen: What would I get a discount on an MG? I’m a Rabbitohs member too. Would I get an MG discount?

[00:32:57] Trevor: I don’t think so. That’s a, that’s a really good point about a partnership. Are you—

[00:33:03] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:33:04] Trevor: I mean, is that what drove ‘Cause I gotta be honest, I think a lot of people wouldn’t have heard of KGM. They might’ve heard it more so from its old SsangYong days, but like, is that how you heard about it? Or did your research lead you to it because you’re in that trade?

[00:33:16] Jeremy: Yeah, well, I used to actually be a factory electrician in the BorgWarner automatic transmission factory in Lavington. And we produced the transmissions for SsangYong back then and the Fords, so. I knew about the Rextons and so yeah, always knew about that brand and I didn’t realize that the name changed. So that was a bit surprising.

[00:33:45] Trevor: So yeah, there you go. Well, there you go. Loyalty to your team. Now a part of your business. You got a little discount for being loyal to your team. It’s a great outcome, mate. So look, it’s a great looking car. Car. Are you getting questions from peers, you know, people that you know and driving Hiluxes and the like?

[00:34:07] Jeremy: So my brother-in-law actually got the Cupra like maybe 2 weeks earlier.

[00:34:13] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:34:14] Jeremy: And yeah, he took me in that and that’s just a rocket.

[00:34:20] Trevor: Yeah, sick. That’s very—

[00:34:21] Stephen: just ask Trevor’s son. He drives it.

[00:34:23] Trevor: Yeah, I know.

[00:34:29] Stephen: So what’s it— tell us your Charger. Charging, your charging situation.

[00:34:29] Jeremy: Yeah, uh, so installed the, the Otel charger.

[00:34:36] Jeremy: And we’re with OVO, so we get that 4.5 cents a kilowatt overnight charging.

[00:34:41] Stephen: Me too. Yeah, that’s good, good call.

[00:34:44] Trevor: Very nice. You’re going—

[00:34:46] Jeremy: the mother-in-law’s now looking for an electric. Well, they were looking at a new vehicle and they were looking at the hybrids that said, ah, go straight to electric. You’re only doing 50 to 100. And yeah, so they’re looking at the, the KGM Torres as the SUV.

[00:35:05] Stephen: You’ve got them on brand there, mate, or what? Is that what you got here?

[00:35:09] Trevor: Using your membership again to get them a discount?

[00:35:12] Jeremy: I said if you’re a Collingwood member, you get the discount. So it’s a small investment to get a—

[00:35:19] Stephen: pays itself off.

[00:35:20] Trevor: You get KO, you get cheaper cars. There’s a lot of reasons to be a football club member, it sounds like.

[00:35:25] Stephen: Fantastic.

[00:35:25] Jeremy: It sure is.

[00:35:26] Trevor: Good on you, Jeremy, mate. Congrats on the car. Enjoy the electric life, and hopefully you inspire plenty of other tradies/landscapers, whatever your business is. As I said, it all depends on your range. Obviously, Jeremy did the research, knows what he’s driving is, and it fits perfectly. If you’re driving more than that, it’s not for you. Cool. But that’s the point, is you can do the research and make it work, mate. Good on you, and good luck with the car. Car.

[00:35:52] Jeremy: Thank you very much, guys.

[00:35:53] Trevor: Good to hear from you. There you go. Yeah, I mean, there is a—

[00:35:55] Stephen: you know what, they’re getting—

[00:35:56] Trevor: it’s a good looking car.

[00:35:57] Stephen: It’s just going to get better too, you know.

[00:35:58] Trevor: It’s a good looking car.

[00:35:59] Stephen: That is really nice. I would have gone the Blazing— was it Blazing Gold?

[00:36:02] Trevor: Blazing Gold.

[00:36:03] Stephen: What is it? Yeah, Blazing Gold. That would have been me all day. Looks like C-3PO.

[00:36:08] Trevor: Yeah, you would too. You put Star Wars on the side of it and everything. Before we get back to one more call for this show, I wanted to read out a note we got from Bernie who couldn’t come on the show. He was asking a simple question really, because he keeps hearing about the BYD Shark shark and keas, and he lives in Perth’s outer suburbs in the hills and talks about having to go up and down the infamous Greenmount Hill. So range is important. And I think it’s a really simple and easy, easy question. You just mentioned the shark with Jeremy. When it comes to utes and SUVs, look, I think it’s a very narrow field right now with utes. Yeah, Jeremy’s a great example of that. He did the research. The range was perfect for him, but most of them are going to struggle in that sense. I think the BYD Shark, if you look into ute, is going to solve all the problems of range anxiety. It’s going to nail those kind of situations. When it comes to SUVs, pretty much every car these days is a bloody SUV. Yeah, even the Skodas we talked about last week. I think when you talk about big SUVs like my Kia, and there’s really not many of them out there, the Hyundai Ioniq 9, they’ll handle a hill, no dramas. You just got to remember that it’s the opposite fuel economy. You’re going to use lots and lots of battery going up the hill. Hill, but you’re probably going to use bugger all, if any, going down because you’ll actually regenerate on the way down. So learning about hills and range is a really important thing to understand. If your first journey out is up a hill, don’t stress. The journey home might be vastly different.

[00:37:30] Stephen: Brings up a good point. So where you live could affect, you know, what your battery usage and stuff. So if you live at the top of a hill, then coming home you’re going to use more juice than you than when you leave home.

[00:37:41] Trevor: Yeah, you’re gonna get to work thinking this thing only used 5% and then you’re gonna come home using 20% going, what happened?

[00:37:46] Stephen: What happened there?

[00:37:47] Trevor: Well, now you know. There’s a reason.

[00:37:49] Stephen: Now you know.

[00:37:49] Trevor: We’d love to hear from you, 0477 657 657. Lovely stuff. Superlikes talking electric cars. Thanks to NRMA Insurance. Insurance and Uniden Smart Dash Cams. Oliver’s on the line. G’day, Oliver. Hi, Oliver. You had a fascinating question which I’d not contemplated around charging cables. Go, go ahead, mate. I want to have this conversation.

Oliver — Charging liability for street parkers with no off-street parking

[00:38:21] Oliver: Right, so around insurance. So I’m, I’m curious about buying an electric car, basically, and I have no off-street parking where I live. So I live in Sydney’s inner west like millions of other people, I’ve got no garage, no way to charge at home.

[00:38:39] Trevor: Sure.

[00:38:39] Oliver: And there’s not that many chargers locally and so on. So I’ve made a lot of inquiries with the council and so on. There’s a sort of a trial where you can run an extension lead across footpaths.

[00:38:51] Oliver: If you do it, do so safely sort of thing. But I applied for this and I asked a question. I said, what happens if somebody trips over it and kills themselves or something?

[00:39:02] Trevor: It’s a dramatic change.

[00:39:03] Oliver: Or whatever.

[00:39:03] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:39:04] Oliver: A pretty dramatic thing. But look, it happens, right? And it will happen, particularly if everybody starts doing this. And so they said, oh no, you know, we’ll approve this for you, but you have to do it at your own risk. And I thought, oh, okay, that’s a bit odd. Would have thought the council liability insurance covers that kind of thing. And so I just also went to NRMA on the chat there and a few other insurers. And I just said, oh, hi, I’m planning to buy an electric car. Is there anything different about the insurance? What happens if I do this? And would, you know, when I also said, would the car insurance cover this kind of thing? And they said no. And I also said, would my home insurance cover this kind of thing? And they said no, because it’s not on your property, of course. So it’s this kind of limbo in between. It’s so— and look, I also sort of said to the NRMA, I said, so what happens I charge the electric car at a public charger, and they said that that’s not actually covered by the car insurance either. So my assumption is that public chargers, you know, these sorts of things are covered by insurance to the charger operators. But I did ask that— sorry, just to finish the story— I did ask the council, I said, well, what about the public chargers that you installed on the street. And they sort of, the answer was no there as well. Nobody really seemed to know. So I was like, well, this is all interesting, bit of a mess.

[00:40:33] Stephen: Yeah, well, you know what, it’s a really interesting point because you living in the inner west, no off-street parking, you wanna run a cable that’ll be across the footpath where people are walking. So is it a case where, do you leave it or do you sort of stand there and supervise it?

[00:40:49] Trevor: Do you put someone to know? Approved cable management systems you can get for these things. If you want to see one, Sarah Aubrey, that’s her name, Electrify This on TikTok. She’s very, very good at talking EVs, very passionate. She has shown her— she’s got an approved council fold hole thing that goes— she just puts it out and it runs out to the car. Now it’s quite wide. It goes wider than the footpath itself, but essentially it’s just a bump on the footpath. I’ve also seen some really cool installations where the the channel essentially for the cable is actually dug into the footpath. And so you’re building in a channel with like a rubber top on it so the cable goes in it. So it’s actually level with the footpath. But again, all of these things are great initiatives, but they don’t answer your burning question of who’s liable. Because you’re right, it’s not car insurance, it’s nothing to do with the car, it’s not home insurance, it’s on public property. But who’s— I wonder, and look, let’s be Let’s be clear, we’re not lawyers. We can’t answer the question, but we can continue the conversation and see whether anyone listening has done further investigations than you. But I would argue if the council’s approved the cross-pathway charging, then they’re accepting that it’s on their property and it’s their liability, wouldn’t you reckon?

[00:42:08] Oliver: In the same way that a public charger like an Ampol—

[00:42:12] Trevor: Ampol, you know, if I charge my car at Ampol and someone’s stupid enough to walk between my car and the charger charger where the cable’s hanging and trips over, that’s on Ampol’s property, not mine.

[00:42:22] Oliver: Yeah, you’d hope that common sense kind of prevails. Although it was interesting because the conversation I had with the council, who was—

[00:42:30] Oliver: look, not to be unfair, I think I really threw this on them. And in the discussion they said, oh yes, it would cover. And I said, well, that’s great, could you just email that later? And of course the email came saying the opposite thing. And, you know, it’s a— it’s more about the proposition for people with no off-street parking. How does that all work?

[00:42:53] Trevor: Yeah, it’s the biggest gap in the EV market right now. Without any question, it’s the biggest gap, Oliver, because if you’ve only got street parking, you’re, you’re kind of destined to be in public chargers. Now, there’s great work being done by councils and by state governments in, you know, trying to provide pole charging, different solutions.

[00:43:16] Stephen: I’ve seen a few of those. That would solve your issue. No one’s going to trip over that.

[00:43:20] Trevor: No, but Oliver’s point is still, if I’m exclusively publicly charging on a power pole near my house or at a local library with parkers at the front, who’s responsible if someone trips over my cable? You don’t want to be that person, Oliver. That’s essentially what you’re saying.

[00:43:36] Stephen: Absolutely.

[00:43:36] Oliver: Yeah, well, look, it’s got to be clear that it’s somebody’s thing to take over and whatever. But yeah, there’s got to be some—

[00:43:46] Trevor: yeah, it’s a good chat—

[00:43:46] Oliver: general purpose definition of that.

[00:43:49] Trevor: Yeah, you’ve raised an interesting—

[00:43:51] Oliver: even the public charges on the street are interesting too, because again, parking’s an issue where I live. Like, you, if you come back after 6 PM, you’ll never get a park anywhere. So even if they were to introduce the charges on the poles are the public ones.

[00:44:07] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:44:08] Oliver: You know, you can’t— you can either never get a park here. Somebody said, and if somebody’s there, it could actually also be empty all the time because you can’t park there unless you’re charging, which means—

[00:44:22] Trevor: which reduces the number of spots on the street. Yeah.

[00:44:25] Oliver: So even I said to my neighbor who’s got a Tesla, I said, should we try and lobby to get one of these? And we’re like, well, it’ll actually make life more difficult because the spot out the front of the house would be— Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:44:39] Trevor: Mate, fascinating. And it’s not— look, obviously, you know, we come from a position of privilege where we both have driveways and charging, and that’s our personal approach, which is why it’s so good to hear these kind of stories and these ideas. The problem is I don’t know where— I don’t know anyone’s going to send you that email that you want to read, Oliver, which says we accept responsibility. No, I So I think so.

[00:45:01] Oliver: I think it’s just kind of—

[00:45:03] Stephen: So just, just in wrapping up, Oliver, are you waiting to have some sort of clarification on this issue before you actually buy an EV, or are you still going to go ahead?

[00:45:15] Oliver: You know what? I’ll say yes. There’s actually some other issues for the EVs. The P-plate driver restriction is going to be a problem for us and our family too. And I’m also told the council said that there’s some sort of consultant doing a report into specifically this matter. Like this whole off-street, no off-street parking situation. And that’s coming out in July or something like that. So I think I’ll wait and see.

[00:45:42] Trevor: What sort of car are you looking at that the P-plate provision is an issue for you, mate?

[00:45:47] Oliver: Well, pretty much every electric car is banned for P-plates.

[00:45:50] Trevor: No, I think, I think you should do a search because like I’ve got a Cupra. I wouldn’t even call it a hot hatch, but completely fine under the, under the regulations.

[00:45:58] Oliver: Well, it’s interesting. I was looking at a Volvo for any anything, a slightly newer one which will come out later this year, an EX60. Yeah, nice. Which is definitely— looks like a really nice car, obviously, but it’s definitely banned. The Volvo EX30, even the single motor tiny one, was banned, I found on the New South Wales website. So in fact, I noticed there’s cars banned on the website. There’s a search, I don’t know if you guys are aware of that, where you can go— yeah, I’m looking at it Actually, that was broken a couple of weeks back when I was looking. But you go in there and there’s cars that even lower than that power output limitation, which obviously is a bit historical. So really that rule needs updating too.

[00:46:46] Trevor: Mate, don’t get me started on rules that need updating. Okay, I’ll tell you the P-plate. I’ll tell you the P-plate rule that needs to be updated, and I’m pretty strong on this. It’s not related to electric cars, is the use of CarPlay and Android order. I think it’s dangerous that P-platers can’t have a map running to see where they’re going because the rule— I think the rules should be updated that P-platers can’t touch the screen while they’re driving, but they should be allowed to while parked set a navigation and drive and follow the map. Because otherwise, what are they doing? Looking at a Refidex? Putting a street directory on their lap? It’s stupid.

[00:47:19] Oliver: Look, I didn’t even know that one. I was teaching my daughter to drive the other day and I said, oh, let’s go to the— let’s drive to the place. I said, I’ll plug the thing in, let’s navigate. She said, no, no, I’m not allowed. I was like, what?

[00:47:32] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:47:34] Oliver: The interesting thing is, yeah, you can still teach them on the electric car.

[00:47:39] Trevor: On your L’s, you’re allowed to. Yes.

[00:47:42] Oliver: Yeah. But by the time, you know, the car’s an expensive thing, especially a Volvo, let’s say. By the time my second daughter reaches her P’s, she’s 13, so a couple of years, I hope the car— I’ve still got that car. And I’m basically just taking a punt that they’re going to change the rules because, because it just doesn’t make any sense anyway. Like, if you want to— yes, the cars are powerful, but there’s many solutions to that problem.

[00:48:11] Trevor: Yeah, look, a quick look, we were talking last week about the Skodas that we were driving and Steven had the fancy Enyaq. There is a couple of models of the Enyaq that are banned. They’re obviously the sport models like the RS model.

[00:48:26] Oliver: But the funny thing is I didn’t even want a fast car. I didn’t want any of this power. It’s just kind of there.

[00:48:32] Trevor: My Kia EV9 is very fast off the line, very fast if you put it in sport mode and it’s allowed. So I’ll check again.

[00:48:40] Stephen: So They need to update that list, I’d say.

[00:48:43] Trevor: No, I just think, I just think, you know, yeah, I don’t mind it because in the end what this does is stops kids having access to a lot of power under the throttle, which, you know, kids are, kids are dangerous on the roads unfortunately.

[00:48:55] Stephen: All P-Platers or just red P-Platers?

[00:48:57] Trevor: All P-Platers, yeah. Wow.

[00:48:58] Oliver: All P-Platers. You can do it with software too. You can, I mean, the car manufacturers could very easily just control that.

[00:49:05] Trevor: Oh, and that goes to my point about CarPlay as well. It should be like, as a parent, it should be, I’m putting it in P-Plate mode, or this key is a P-Plater. So CarPlay works, but you can’t touch the screen while it’s driving and throttle is limited to, you know, X%. It’s not rocket science.

[00:49:18] Stephen: That’s not hard to do.

[00:49:19] Trevor: That’s not going to happen though, Oliver. Mate, thank you for your insight and your questions, mate. Very, very good and good thoughts to put in our minds, mate. Thank you.

[00:49:28] Oliver: Great.

[00:49:29] Trevor: Good on you. Great to chat. Yeah. Not stuff I’d considered and probably not you either. No. Yeah.

[00:49:35] Stephen: So, well, yeah, food for thought, mate. You know, I think unless you bring it up up and it becomes a discussion, it’s never solved. So this is right though.

[00:49:44] Trevor: Imagine being at the other end of the phone at council and they go, wait, what are you asking? What? And, and it’s like, and then someone else has gone, oh no, that’s a very good point.

[00:49:54] Stephen: Exactly.

[00:49:54] Trevor: Do not tell them it’s okay. It’s like, you know, they probably have to proving it.

[00:49:59] Stephen: I’ll ask you this question, right? Councils, they’re responsible for the footpaths and all the things, right?

[00:50:05] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:50:05] Stephen: So if I trip tripped on the crack in the footpath.

[00:50:08] Trevor: They’re responsible.

[00:50:09] Stephen: That’s their responsibility.

[00:50:10] Oliver: Yes.

[00:50:10] Stephen: So if someone’s got a cable and that’s not protected or covered.

[00:50:14] Trevor: That’s on you. No, that’s on the person that put the cable there.

[00:50:18] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:50:19] Trevor: But if the cable is protected properly, and as I said, check Sarah Aubrey’s stuff, it’s excellent work.

[00:50:23] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:50:23] Trevor: She shows the cable management thing, which is approved.

[00:50:26] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:50:26] Trevor: And you wouldn’t trip, that’s just simple.

[00:50:28] Stephen: Well, maybe can the council have a little caveat to say, well, you can unless if you are using one of these approved cable covers.

[00:50:34] Trevor: Oh, they only, councils only allow it if you’re using the approved cover. But what Oliver’s saying is even under those circumstances, the council will not say that it’s covered by their insurance. Wow. That’s the problem. Oh God. There we go, eh? Good times. If you’ve got any insight on that, we’d love to hear it. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:50:54] Stephen: Please, if you’re a lawyer, give us a call.

[00:50:56] Trevor: Let’s not go too deep into it because as we all know, the criminal justice system is made up of two separate— Still watch it.

[00:51:03] Stephen: Too much Lord Oliver.

[00:51:04] Trevor: It’s still on the screen. Doom doom. Thanks for listening, folks, and get in touch. 0477 657 657. See you next week, Steven. Ciao.