The Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars podcast – Episode # 140 – MG’s plans for Australia, and the Zeekr outback roadtrip!

140 – MG’s plans for Australia, and the Zeekr outback roadtrip!

Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars
Date: 5 October 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long, Stephen Fenech
Guests: Tim (caller), Kevin Kou (MG Motor Australia)

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[00:00:01] VOICE OVER: This is Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars with Trevor Long and Stephen Fenech. Thanks to NRMA Insurance and Uniden.

[00:00:10] Trevor Long: Protecting what matters most. NRMA Insurance, helping Australians for 100 years or more, and they’re one of Australia’s largest insurers of electric vehicles. We’d just love you to give them a call or go online and get a quote so that next time you’re in the market for renewing your insurance or you bought a new car, absolutely give them a try, see what they end up with. And at the same time, when you’re hooking up a dashcam to your car, we’d encourage you to consider the Uniden Australian brand. They’ve been making dashcams for a long time, Stephen.

[00:00:34] Stephen Fenech: Award-winning, award-winning dashcams. And we highly recommend you get a front and a rear camera just so you got peace of mind. It’s your eyes and ears on the road.

[00:00:42] Trevor Long: Why not, folks? A little later in the show, we’re going to talk to Kevin Cowell, the product planning manager at MG. So we’re talking about the MGs on the road today, what’s coming and how the market’s going for them because they’ve been an absolute boom for the Australian motoring industry. And around the block later today, we will take the Kia EV6.

[00:01:01] Stephen Fenech: Stephen, very nice.

[00:01:01] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:01:03] Stephen Fenech: And I think you’re driving that one.

[00:01:05] Trevor Long: I’ll drive that one. You’re driving.

[00:01:07] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:01:07] Stephen Fenech: Will you drive?

Tim — Zeekr 7X outback road trip

[00:01:08] Trevor Long: This is— well, I’m the Kia man, so why not? This is a car that’s— it was Kia’s first electric car in Australia and it’s been around for a while now. So we’ve taken the refreshed version for a spin. So we’ll bring you that a little later. We’d love to hear from you, whatever your part of the electric car journey. 0477 657 657. And you can join us on the line via video as well as our next guest has. And that’s Tim. And he’s on the line right now. G’day, Tim. How you doing, mate?

[00:01:35] Tim: Hey, Reverend Stephen, how are you?

[00:01:37] Trevor Long: Mate, absolutely great. Great to have you on the show. You’ve had a bit of a journey, mate. You sent us a note about your Zica 7X, which has been a very popular car among owners on this show. And I won’t remember, to the YouTube commenters who bag me for not remembering to put photos up, I won’t remember. But you did send us a beautiful photo of your car on some rural regional road. It’s a beautiful photo. Kicking up the dust, mate. Tell us about the car. Tell us about the journey.

[00:02:07] Tim: Yeah, mate, our 7X took us out to Western Queensland and we had a ball the time. Yeah. So I was quite— look, I wanted to do it because first, like, we’ve all got EVs and we’re just so keen to drive them. And I thought, well, where can I go where I can get a decent drive?

[00:02:25] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:02:26] Tim: And, you know, Western Queensland seemed like a good idea. And secondly, you know, do you have family who say, oh yeah, well, your EV’s all right for the city, but you wouldn’t want be traveling too far with it.

[00:02:40] Trevor Long: You wanted to literally create the fodder, prove them wrong.

[00:02:44] Stephen Fenech: That’s what you wanted to do. And you did it by the sounds of it.

[00:02:48] Tim: Yeah. Yeah. Well, now, now I’ve got that response, mate. We’ve been out to Winton, so.

[00:02:53] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:02:53] Tim: Yeah. And, and mate, the car did great. It did great. It’s as hell as it’s so dusty out there. And I’ll say for the car is that, mate, the seals worked. None of that dust got inside. And I’m so glad of that.

[00:03:05] Trevor Long: I’m not sure that they’re testing those things in China, are they? A lot of dust.

[00:03:08] Tim: Yeah, I’ve tested I guess that it worked.

[00:03:11] Trevor Long: No, that’s a big endorsement. Can I ask, before you get into a little bit more detail about what brought you to that and what you learned on that trip, what led you to the ZEEKR 7X? Was it an instant decision? Was it obvious? Like, how was that part of the decision? How long have you had it?

[00:03:24] Stephen Fenech: Test drives.

[00:03:25] Tim: Yeah, we got it on the first day of delivery. So I’ve had it now for almost a year. And the truth is, it’s not mine, it’s the wife’s.

[00:03:34] Trevor Long: Of course. That’s the truth about everything I own. What are you talking about?

[00:03:39] Tim: I’ve been excited about buying an EV and it’s taken a long time to talk into it. And so I was dragging her to different places to try different EVs and we tried the XPeng and we tried a BYD and today we’re at Zeekr and I was talking about going off to MG the next week and I think she’d had enough and she’s driven.

[00:03:58] Stephen Fenech: Let’s just get this one.

[00:04:01] Tim: She drove the Zeekr X and said, oh, this one I like more than the others. I like this one, but And while I was outside, she went and spoke to the salesman and she said, I’d like something a bit bigger. I think something that could tow. And the salesman said, you know, there’s this car called the 7X coming and it’s really good. And even before preorders, I can put your name down for it. And then suddenly when I walked in, she was signing. This is a 7X.

[00:04:28] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:04:29] Stephen Fenech: There you go.

[00:04:30] Trevor Long: But that’s, you know, what’s really interesting about that is the X is a beautiful car. And you, I think there were the feeling you get from the X straight away is premium, well fit out. It feels well built. You get, you get a sense of a brand because it’s a brand new brand for you, right? And so you’re like, does this, is this, is this thing going to be okay? And I think it gives you that sense of this is going to be an okay brand. And so that faith to then take the dive on something you haven’t even seen is wild. But you were day one delivery.

[00:04:56] Tim: Trevor, I won’t lie, I was stressed. I was stressed for the first 226 because we had to wait, you know, for 4 or 5 months for this car that no one had heard of.

[00:05:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:05:05] Tim: So yeah, but it sounds like it’s proven turned out to be her best decision ever. Wow.

[00:05:09] Trevor Long: Oh, hey, hey. Apart from the obvious.

[00:05:12] Stephen Fenech: Marrying your wife. Yeah.

[00:05:14] Trevor Long: Choosing you. I reckon she’d think the car’s pretty cool.

[00:05:18] Stephen Fenech: Wow. All right, now let’s go. Let’s talk about this massive journey. And you did the— I liked your email and you said all the things you’ve learned and what was good about the trip, what was bad about the trip. Take us through what were your main lessons you learned from this long drive?

[00:05:36] Trevor Long: Yeah, let’s talk about charging infrastructure first.

[00:05:37] Trevor Long: What did you learn about that?

[00:05:39] Trevor Long: Because that’s obviously a pain point for a lot of people.

[00:05:42] Tim: Yeah, well, the good thing is like the previous Labor government in Queensland, it’s no longer with us, but it had pushed getting EVs out into Western Queensland for the towns out there. Right. Like the background is, you know, there’s an awful lot that happens out of Queensland. It’s like the Artesian Basin means there’s a lot of activity out there even though it’s quite remote. Right. And, you know, agriculture’s a hard game for them. And so they are now, the fact that they’ve got so many people from the south coming up visiting them on winters is, you know, keeping all those little towns going. So they’ve gone ahead and they’ve put EV chargers in most of the town and they’ve got a name for it called the Queensland Superhighway.

[00:06:23] Trevor Long: Okay, that’s fair.

[00:06:25] Tim: And so it does mean that, you know, I— before we were recording this, I was listening to the guy talking about his Ayers Rock experience and having to sleep in his car. Nothing like that.

[00:06:37] Trevor Long: No.

[00:06:39] Tim: They were like, those towns are a long way apart and you know, you do need a car with a decent bit of range, but you know, it’s definitely possible.

[00:06:47] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:06:48] Tim: So, you know, going around Charleville, Longreach, Winton, Barkaldine, Mount Isa, you can do it.

[00:06:55] Trevor Long: And what ratio would you say was working versus not working? Because that’s a bit of a gripe some people have on the network.

[00:07:02] Tim: Yes, yes. I was a little bit naive. I just assumed, okay, government infrastructure, structure, because I’ve been reading up on the webpage, the government webpages, about how good they are. And the first one I encountered out at Miles gave me a bit of a scare because the only time— what I’m going to say is they are so underutilized. I only encountered one person at the same time as me, and the locals like making comments about, oh, I haven’t seen anyone use these before. So, but the first time the locals often come and talk to you because they’ve never seen— they said, I’ve not seen someone charge an EV before.

[00:07:40] Trevor Long: And you’re like, here’s your taxes at work.

[00:07:43] Tim: Well, I didn’t. Yeah. So anyway, I got there and for the only time, here’s this Tesla charging at the DC and they say, oh, it doesn’t matter because this, the government infrastructure is all standard. They’ve got one CS2, one for the, what do you call it?

[00:07:58] Trevor Long: CHAdeMO.

[00:07:59] Tim: Yeah.

[00:08:00] Stephen Fenech: Nissan.

[00:08:01] Trevor Long: For the Nissan LEAFs.

[00:08:02] Tim: And then 2 AC type chargers available. So it’s pretty good. So I said, oh, that’s fine. I’ve never used an AC charger. I’m going to give that a go. And damn, it didn’t work. And when you’re new to it, you think it’s you at first, but then you suddenly realize, no, there’s something going on with the charger. Call the number and you know, they Sunday afternoon, they answer really promptly and say, oh yeah, hello, it’s this one. And oh, we can’t do anything for you.

[00:08:26] Trevor Long: Oh great.

[00:08:27] Tim: Thanks for that.

[00:08:29] Trevor Long: So, okay.

[00:08:31] Tim: Then the, the Tesla owner came back and he was a local, had had his car there for 3 years. He had done roughly the same journeys that I’d want to do. You told me, oh yeah, drove back from Mount Isa and he says, oh yeah, it’s going to be tough. They’re not always working, you know. And he was doing the story and he was starting to tell a story about having to one day being in a town and need to charge. And he hunted around at the local park to find one of the council outdoor PowerPoints to charge overnight on. So I didn’t want to do that. Yeah, but other than that, I found one other DC charger that was just low volt. Yeah, not many kilowatt hours. Yeah, the AC. But I was there for 2 weeks and there were only 2 incidents of— and at each time, because, you know, there’s 4 chargers at each of these sites, I always had something. Even at the 2 that I had problems with, there’s always an alternative.

[00:09:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right.

[00:09:25] Tim: Yeah. So yeah, look, I’m going to say mostly good. Yeah.

[00:09:29] Trevor Long: And look, I think the lesson there is these sites with one charger, even if it’s two plugs, is not enough anywhere in Australia. You need to have secondary, you need to have redundancy, you need to have some other options.

[00:09:42] Stephen Fenech: I think that also sounds like you did some planning too. That’s important as well. Plan, plan.

[00:09:47] Tim: Know what route planner. How good is that?

[00:09:49] Trevor Long: Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:49] Stephen Fenech: You know, we’ve recommended that often. You did bring up one point that we’ve spoken about on the show before and you said long flat stretches surprisingly bad for efficiency. We’ve often said that the opposite of a petrol car applies to an EV. EVs love stop and start, whereas the long stretches, if you push it, yeah, can you’ve experienced that.

[00:10:10] Tim: Yeah, Trevor, you know, when you get out there, I’m sorry. Well, you know, when you first get your EV, it’s all about the torque and you just love—

[00:10:17] Trevor Long: you just love what you’re getting out of the foot.

[00:10:18] Tim: You know, you don’t give a damn about efficiency. But having it for a while, I’ve become really interested in, you know, what gives us where, how, how to drive to get the best efficiency and therefore the best range. And I thought I knew it all until I went to Western Queensland, which proved I don’t. And the first thing we’d been getting, we’d been getting efficiencies pretty close to what ZEEKR says is, you know, what they recommend is around, I think, about 19 kilowatt hours per 100 km out there at places. I was recording 27 kilowatt hour places and the roads were as flat as anything. I could do 120. It can be very cold in the morning, close to 0 degrees, and gets quite hot by late afternoon. But 37, and you’d see the efficiency really bad at the morning and starts to improve over the day as it warms up.

[00:11:12] Stephen Fenech: Does the ZEEKR have a function, like an efficiency, like what do they call it in Tesla’s hypermiling? Does the ZEEKR have an eco mode that you can click into if you want to save the, make it more efficient?

[00:11:26] Tim: Yes, but I think you’d only put it on if you’re in real trouble.

[00:11:29] Trevor Long: Like, it’s for proper, right?

[00:11:31] Stephen Fenech: If you’re down to 2% or something, right? Okay. Yeah.

[00:11:35] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:11:35] Tim: I like, I was playing it safe all the time and I never came close to running out of power anyway. Yeah. Always. I always made sure that I had a second case example in case I did. But yeah, the, the long roads which you think are ICE vehicles, perfect conditions for them just running along 120. That they really hurt and you get undulating country and I don’t understand the physics of it, but I got better, better efficiency out of undulating country than I did over long straight.

[00:12:04] Trevor Long: It’s that pure regeneration, isn’t it? Which you can’t really account for. You don’t understand it, but it’s just there. It just works.

[00:12:10] Stephen Fenech: I do. I do love your list of what you took as well, Tim. Very smart of you to take a spare tire. A lot of people aren’t aware. Is there any EV that has a spare tire?

[00:12:20] Trevor Long: No. Let’s be clear. It’s not just EVs. Pretty much modern cars don’t have spare tires.

[00:12:23] Stephen Fenech: Really?

[00:12:23] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:12:25] Stephen Fenech: That’s not okay.

[00:12:25] Trevor Long: It’s, you know, it’s very rare to find a full-size spare in any car and even a space saver these days. Yeah, it’s very hard to find.

[00:12:32] Stephen Fenech: So you took a spare tyre and a tyre plug kit. Smart. Type 2 granny charger and heavy-duty extension lead. And you also had Telstra connection too. Telstra data connection.

[00:12:45] Tim: Yeah. Only Telstra cuts it out there.

[00:12:47] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:12:48] Trevor Long: No question.

[00:12:49] Tim: Yeah. Hey, look, with that spare tyre, this is my gripe. Why aren’t the importers offering a factory option that allows you to get, you know, a space saver or a tyre that can be engineered to be securely bolted into the car. I’ve got, I’ve got this wonderful space underneath my back, the back of my, my boot in the back of that. You lift it up and you store things. But I would, I would sacrifice that for you. I’d pay a couple of thousand dollars to have the car modified to have a spare tyre.

[00:13:18] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:13:20] Tim: I’d like that.

[00:13:21] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:13:21] Tim: The other thing.

[00:13:22] Trevor Long: Yep.

[00:13:22] Stephen Fenech: Sorry.

[00:13:22] Tim: The other thing I learned is, mate, you’re not visiting service stations. It’s as dusty as hell. You really need to take a window cleaning device or something while you’re sitting at the charger ’cause your cars get so dusty.

[00:13:34] Trevor Long: It’s a really good point because we sit at the charger sometimes and if it’s not right adjacent to a food outlet or something, you will sit in the car for 20 minutes, just, you know, chill, catch up a lot.

[00:13:44] Stephen Fenech: Squeegee.

[00:13:44] Trevor Long: It’s not a bad time to squeegee the window and stuff like that. But here’s the other thing, just finally that I want to hear from you ’cause you made some great observations about actually how the outback and regional towns, generally could attract EV travelers. And I think it’s a really smart thing to think about how it doesn’t take much to actually bring people to regional towns that people might not normally think about.

[00:14:06] Tim: When picking my hotels, I picked them that have destination chargers and that was— I could only find 3 that actually had that. And it was interesting seeing how they did it. Like, and their destination, they assume that people are coming in hybrids, but their destination chargers, like One of the, one of the hotels, they had that locked up. You pay them $10, they’ll give you the keys to open it and then you could charge all you want. And it’s $10 is like I’m putting 60 kilowatts an hour into it. That’s cheap and I can get through with as fast.

[00:14:34] Trevor Long: Exactly.

[00:14:35] Tim: That overnight. Great. Another one had a really good— they had two destination chargers and they had this like honor thing where they said if you charge during the day when our solar panels are active, it costs nothing. But if you want to use it overnight, then pay $10 and I was again turned up with 60 kilowatts and I thought, well, it’s only fair I pay $10.

[00:14:53] Trevor Long: Absolutely.

[00:14:54] Tim: Yeah.

[00:14:54] Stephen Fenech: Good move.

[00:14:55] Tim: Yeah. So I’d love to see hotels and the small businesses out there where EVs, EV drivers, we’re attracted like flies to an AC charger or somewhere.

[00:15:04] Trevor Long: Yeah. And you’ll be like, I’ll take a PowerPoint. Thanks anyway. Yeah.

[00:15:08] Stephen Fenech: And you’ll—

[00:15:08] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:15:08] Tim: If I’m going through those small towns, they’ve painted it up, they’re looking wonderful. They really want the tourists. Have a small AC charger. It doesn’t even have to be particularly fast, but I’ll stop there for coffee and cake and hunt around the shops. If you give me another 10 kilowatts an hour of power. Yeah. And I don’t even mind paying for it.

[00:15:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:15:26] Trevor Long: Yeah. Great advice for small business generally. Now, before we let you go, I want a couple of words from you on ZEEKR as a brand and as a car. You’re obviously impressed.

[00:15:36] Tim: Yeah, it’s pretty— it’s the best car I’ve ever had. I’m really pleased. Early adopters, we’re always— they’ve been learning some stuff, particularly with their automatic updates and a few things have improved. But I’m not sorry. I’m really impressed with the car. And I think the case is pretty much everyone else has bought one, has said, you know, to date, this company’s doing really well and these are great cars.

[00:15:59] Trevor Long: Mate, they are. They’re— we hear great things about it. And you should be very happy with what you’ve got, mate. Looks like an awesome road trip and I’m sure you’ll do many more, mate. Enjoy the car and congratulations to your wife on that outstanding—

[00:16:11] Stephen Fenech: great taste decision and taste.

[00:16:13] Trevor Long: Not just in cars.

[00:16:15] Tim: Of course, I’m keen for other EV drivers to go out there and give this a go. It’s like, it’s for you.

[00:16:21] Stephen Fenech: Let’s literally blaze the trail.

[00:16:24] Trevor Long: Tim’s challenge is to hit the outback, folks.

[00:16:28] Tim: Can I say the last thing to worry about, mate?

[00:16:30] Stephen Fenech: Get out there.

[00:16:31] Tim: It’s ruse.

[00:16:32] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah, well, right.

[00:16:33] Tim: Okay. That’s the downside.

[00:16:34] Trevor Long: Eyes open on the roads, folks. Eyes open on the roads. How close did you come?

[00:16:37] Tim: Near misses.

[00:16:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:16:39] Tim: Wow. And near misses and I’m driving. This has happened midday because my policy was don’t, don’t drive at night or don’t drive. Yeah, yeah. So the place was full of roos.

[00:16:49] Stephen Fenech: Yours will be the only EV with a bull bar on it, a roo bar on it.

[00:16:53] Tim: Where’s the bull bar option?

[00:16:56] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think the weight and the aerodynamics might be problematic for your range. Just quietly. So yeah, that might be the reason.

[00:17:03] Tim: Problematic.

[00:17:03] Trevor Long: Lovely to hear from you, mate. Enjoy the car.

[00:17:06] Stephen Fenech: Thanks, Jim.

[00:17:06] Trevor Long: Okay, thank you. Cheers, mate. Good on you. Excellent stuff. Yeah, I mean, it’s a great journey and it is. It’s an incentive to get other people to do the same thing. Get out to see the regional towns. We’ve got to do it later this year. I think we’re going to try.

[00:17:16] Stephen Fenech: We’re going to try and get out to regional New South Wales. Yes. We’re in our own car or in the same car?

[00:17:20] Trevor Long: I think we’ll take it.

[00:17:21] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you want to take individual cars?

[00:17:22] Trevor Long: Oh, you want to drive separately again with two-way radios? He doesn’t want to be in the same car as me for a long period of time.

[00:17:27] Stephen Fenech: I think, you know, we can test more cars then.

[00:17:29] Trevor Long: Yeah, we can literally double the amount of cars we can test. All right, well, we’ll see what happens.

[00:17:34] Stephen Fenech: Plus then I can listen to whatever I want to listen to in the car and you’re not going He wants to listen to audiobook.

[00:17:39] Trevor Long: I want to listen to John Farnham. 0477 657 657. After the break, we’ll talk to product planning manager at MG. There he is, Stephen Fenech dancing for you at home.

[00:17:58] Stephen Fenech: The EV aerobics.

[00:17:59] Trevor Long: And for our next guest who’s joining us on Zoom. I love the fact that now we’re doing video calls. Now that we’re doing video calls.

[00:18:05] Stephen Fenech: Look at this idiot, you say. That’s what you say, is that right?

Kevin Kou — MG’s plans for Australia

[00:18:07] Trevor Long: 2 blokes talking electric cars. We’d love to hear from you, whatever your process of the journey, whether you’ve bought an electric car just recently, whether you’re in the market for electric car, whether you’ve owned one for years, or whether you just don’t understand the whole market. We just love to have a chat about it. We’re just mates who love electric cars and we happen to own them and we’ve had a passion for them for many years. So we thought we’d start talking about them and we talk about them with you at home. So you can send us a text anytime, 0477 657 657, we’ll get you on the show. We’ve been lucky enough to talk to a bunch of brands over the years. Stephen from BYD to BMW recently, stuff like that. But it’s great to hear from the brands themselves about where they’re at with the, with the Australian motoring market, let alone the electric vehicle market. And Kevin Coe is the product planning manager at MG Motor Australia. He spent nearly 4 years helping shape the brand’s vehicle strategy and growing electrified portfolio. So with a focus on EVs, and MG has a foot in every camp here, they’re selling a huge number of cars, one of the first. We thought we’d bring him, bring him on the line, and he’s with us now. Kevin Coe, get up.

[00:19:08] Kevin Kou: Good day, Trevor. Good day, Steve.

[00:19:10] Stephen Fenech: How you doing, mate?

[00:19:11] Trevor Long: Mate, it’s great to have you with us. I mean, the fact is that the electric last few months has been unbelievable. Has this been visible to you in every way, shape, or form given the fuel crisis? Has it been a phenomenal 6 months, basically?

[00:19:27] Kevin Kou: Yeah, it’s been a dramatic change in our portfolio to shift to electrified platforms. Now, at MG, we do cater for all sorts of platforms. Traditional ICEs as well as hybrids and electric powertrains. But I just want to just talk about MG. And it really— we’ve got a great portfolio of electrified vehicles now, which we’ve grown from the last few years. So as you might know, I’ve watched a few of your podcasts and you guys do fantastic work. And I really appreciate what you guys do in terms of helping Aussies along the electrified or EV journey because it’s such a, you know, at the beginning of the time it was kind of complex. But I think as we’re moving towards greater adoption, greater acceptance, I think it’s becoming easier for people.

[00:20:21] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:20:22] Kevin Kou: But in terms of MG, we’ve been in the country selling cars for about 10 years in our current iteration. But would you believe that 6 years of those we’ve actually had an EV in market.

[00:20:35] Trevor Long: Yeah, I was going to say, like, was it the ZS? The first. We drove that.

[00:20:39] Kevin Kou: Yeah, that’s right. We introduced the MG ZS EV, 43 kilowatt-hour version back in 2021 or thereabouts. So it’s really showing that MG’s got a strong history of EVs. But to answer your question, these last 6 months have been fairly busy and we’ve seen a fundamental change which has been Fantastic thing for the industry. It’s a— the key word is really transition. So a lot of this, because I’m in the industry, I follow a lot of things and you guys cover this really a lot as well. You know, we’ve had the federal grants from the government for the FBT and Novata Leasing. We’ve also had the Great Battery opportunity. So there’s a lot of carrots, but it really took the stick, so to speak.

[00:21:31] Trevor Long: That’s a really good way of putting it, isn’t it? You can give all the incentives in the world, and they were working, and Kevin and I, we’ve had so, I should probably ask our transcript supervisor Claude to tell me, but FBT would have been mentioned hundreds of times on this show, and even callers in the last week and a half have been talking about getting a no-vote at least, using FBT. People get it, and that carrot’s good, but gee whiz, that stick of a fuel crisis really made people realize Hang on a minute, we don’t have control over what our car is going to cost us to run. And electrification is that answer.

[00:22:06] Kevin Kou: It really is. I mean, you guys have— I was watching some previous podcasts of you guys, and you guys got really switched-on listeners. And the conversation you guys have is really fantastic. And I’m not sure if you remember this guy called Pete, but he was really asking a lot of great questions. But it’s really about that ecosystem. System which exists now, which is ripe for the opportunity that we have. And the— in terms of sales, we’ve— we introduced the MG4 EV Urban back in April, and that’s been doing really well for us. It’s a great true hatchback size. Yes, compatible with, with many popular brands, but it gives great efficiency. It’s also got the great fun-to-drive experience that you have with MG’s rear-wheel drives, but we’ve translated this into a front-wheel drive vehicle. So the MG4 EV Urban is one which we’ve seen good pickup in the last few months.

[00:23:04] Stephen Fenech: So in terms of the MG portfolio, Kevin, what’s— so you mentioned the MG, the Urban is doing well. So, but we’re still very much like SUVs are still very popular in all forms of vehicles. Is that still the case with MG as well? Like you got a few really popular EV SUVs as well, haven’t you?

[00:23:24] Kevin Kou: Yeah. So last year we introduced the MG S5 EV. So that’s a small SUV. It’s a great EV, which is built on the rear-wheel drive platform, the MG4. So back in 2023, we introduced the MG4 and we introduced it in a number of different batteries. So we actually had 3 batteries, 51, 64, and 77, and that gives a really broad range of driving range, which was one of the key considerations for people back in 2023. Oh, will it get me to where I need to be, etc., etc.? And we introduced a really broad category of batteries. So in 2024, 6 now, we’ve actually reduced the MG4 variant range and introduced more SUVs to cater for that. So last month or thereabouts, we introduced the MG S6, which had the 77 kilowatt-hour battery. And would you believe, Trevor and Steve, that, that, that car back in on the MG4 smaller hatchback form did 530 kilometers of WLTP? This MG ZS6 midsize SUV, also in 77 kilowatt-hour battery, does the same 530 kilometers.

[00:24:37] Trevor Long: But a bigger car, bigger, heavier, more space. So what does that go to? Does that go to how you’re building efficiency into the powertrains? Is that— how do you— how do you achieve that?

[00:24:48] Stephen Fenech: Battery chemistry. Yeah.

[00:24:50] Kevin Kou: Yeah. So we do a lot of work. Well, I don’t, but the team in terms of the engineering and the artists, they do— the designers, they do a lot of work in terms of drag coefficient, energy efficiency. So the body shape really determines the— as you guys know, over 80 kilometers per hour, you begin to get a drag coefficient which slows down, which increases the energy usage. However, with the body shape as well as the inclusion of things such as heat pump, that allows us to have a really efficient drivetrain for for this vehicle. So really it’s amazing, 530 for both an MG4 77 and much larger S6 EV.

[00:25:32] Trevor Long: There was a point not long ago where MG was tipping straight into being very clearly a top 10 car manufacturer in Australia, which is remarkable given where the market has shifted. And it’s a clear sign of the transition of brands, let alone transition of drivetrains. And obviously that’s not and that’s not entirely thanks to EVs. You’ve had a strong growth in your petrol vehicles as well. But now that there’s so much competition in Australia, you’ve responded, I think, very well to just, to what is this upstart market, a lot of new brands coming in, and you’ve been able to say, well, we’ve got this great little hatchback version, now we can bring it to an SUV. And now I feel like you’ve responded to what was coming in the pipeline from others like Geely and BYD and say the Urban really responds to that and says that We’ve got the entry-level car, we’ve got a $30,000 electric car, which I don’t know, Kevin, 4 years ago you couldn’t have imagined that, surely?

[00:26:31] Kevin Kou: No, it’s exactly— we really in our plans, we’re really talking with the factory in terms of what can we bring to the market is what’s suitable for the market. You know, a lot of the talk back then, it seems like a long time ago, but really it’s only 2.5 or 3 years ago. But a lot of it was because the talk was EVs aren’t at price parity. They’re a lot more. But, you know, with the MG4 EV Urban, we’re not at price parity. That’s true. We’re actually below price parity. The same car, the same car segment of the same, you know, petrol car. Yeah, we are less expensive to purchase. And the running costs that you guys cover all the time significantly cheaper.

[00:27:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right, Kevin. Now, part of your title is product planning, and feel free if you want to just tell us all your secrets, but we do want to, we do want to know, like, where are we heading into? Like, what’s the market telling you? Are there gaps in the market? Like, I think recently we spoke about how large SUVs, there’s not many choices. So where do you think customers are going, and how is MG going to respond to that.

[00:27:47] Kevin Kou: So the MG brand of families or SAIC Motors, we actually have another brand which is called IM. I’m not sure if you guys have—

[00:27:58] Trevor Long: Yeah, we’ve driven the, the IM 5 and 6. Yeah. Very impressive. Stunning cars, mate. Stunning.

[00:28:02] Stephen Fenech: Very nice.

[00:28:03] Kevin Kou: Great, great. Thank you. So IM really is our premium luxury performance brand. And as you know, it’s close to 5 meters in length. And that’s where we have those larger vehicles, both the IM6 and the IM5. But, you know, we, we know we’re not, we’re not sitting on our laurels here. We are planning for future, future vehicles. And I know that one of your podcasts previously you did talk about the larger segments. And, you know, at MG, we are always keeping an eye on things. I can’t reveal too much about the larger segments. But back in July, do you guys follow Goodwood at all?

[00:28:47] Trevor Long: Yeah, I livestream as much as I can. Love seeing some cars go up a hill and into hay bales.

[00:28:53] Kevin Kou: Fantastic. So in Goodwood, they revealed two concept cars, one which was a, you know, a larger one. But there’s also one which they called the MG GO, which is a talk show car, which is even slightly smaller than the MG4. Yep.

[00:29:11] Trevor Long: Little sporty hot hatch. It looks like, mate, I’m just looking at photos of it now. If people just Google MG Concept Goodwood, you’ll see them. So a little sporty hatch and a little bit more of a little of a sporty SUV there as well.

[00:29:24] Kevin Kou: Well, yeah, that’s right. So, you know, we’re always planning future, future vehicles and models. These are concept cars. So it’s just really a taste of what we, the designers are thinking and maybe the engineers are thinking. So So, you know, stay tuned.

[00:29:40] Trevor Long: Yeah. The Cyberster is a fascinating vehicle because it’s like your, it’s like your, you know, your, your tentpole vehicle for what you can do. Like, it’s not really about selling too many Cybersters because it’s a $100,000 car, right? But it’s about saying we can do stunning design. Plus, if there’s something MG’s known for, it’s a two-seat convertible. You know, that’s— I went down to Canberra and spoke to the MG Club down there a few months ago. And, you know, these are MG MG purists from way back with their beautiful old MGBs and things. And one of them was an owner of an MG Stybuster. And I was, I was actually a little bit surprised by that because I thought an old school MG person might, might shun this concept. But that’s a stunning vehicle with those zip doors and things.

[00:30:23] Stephen Fenech: Head turner, that one for sure.

[00:30:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, absolutely. And like that, that’s a really, I think it’s an important part of the market for you to be able to show what you can do as well.

[00:30:29] Stephen Fenech: Got some range. That’s it.

[00:30:31] Kevin Kou: Absolutely. It’s, it’s really, I’d say a unicorn in the market because I don’t think there’s anything like it. Nothing like it in the market. And, you know, back in 2024, that was our 100th year anniversary. So in terms of the brand, 100 years of keeping the MG brand alive. And just to give you a bit of story behind it, the chief designer, Karl Gotham, he was really his brainchild back 2024 minus— so back in 2020, um, uh, 2019 actually, where he actually birthed the, the concept of the MG Cyberster. And he brought that to life, and he really fought for, fought for that to really be that halo car. And as you say, Trevor, it’s not really, uh, an affordable car for everyday, uh, everyday people, but really it’s the aspirational vehicle that we can look back and say it’s a blend of the great legacy that MG has while looking towards the future. And that’s essentially why it’s called the Cyberster, the electrified roadster.

[00:31:33] Trevor Long: So can I ask you almost finally, that makes sense of the name Cyberster. It’s about the future.

[00:31:38] Stephen Fenech: Electrified roadster. We get it now.

[00:31:40] Trevor Long: There it is. We get it. We get it. Are you trying to build a brand among owners that is more than just a car? So if we look at the lineup right now, you know, you onboard someone into the MG brand through even a petrol car like an MG3, but, you know, MG4 urban, right? Beautiful, affordable electric vehicle. Is it the long-term goal that they, when they grow up and they get families and that they buy bigger cars and they stay in the MG family? Is that how you plan the roadmap for vehicles over time?

[00:32:10] Kevin Kou: Absolutely. For me, that’s the conversations I’m having internally. These are the type of things that, you know, as I mentioned, we’ve got a 100-year legacy in terms of our brand. We want to be pushing that to the next 100 if possible. 10 years in Australia for MG in its current ownership. And I’m not sure if you guys know, we actually had a— the old MG actually had a factory back in Rozelle, Alexandria, building MG Bs. Yeah, absolutely. Look it up. We’ve actually got a history. Not only from the brand, but also locally in Australia. And we really want to be having that story where people enjoying the, for example, you know, the MG GO, if they, if that comes, and then living through the, the experiences of and growing up with the cars. It’s making a strong brand history and a strong brand relationship is what, what we have. And to talk specifically about that, we do have the 10-year warranty that we did give for our cars as well. So yeah, it’s really the assuredness that we’ve got you covered.

[00:33:17] Trevor Long: It really stood out to me when I—

[00:33:19] Stephen Fenech: hacking your product. That’s great.

[00:33:20] Trevor Long: A month or so ago when I had the BYD Atto 1, the MG4 Urban, and the Geely EX2 in the Today Show studio, and I was— you know what, it was a tough thing. They wanted me to put on the screen like pros and cons, like they’re all great cars, right? But then I looked and I went, hang on a minute, 10-year warranty. That is a, that is a big selling point for people these days, especially if they’ve got any concerns about where a car is made or how a brand, you know, has any ownership in Australia. But you talk about it from that sense, you’ve got a 10-year 10 years in Australia, you’ve got a 10-year warranty, you can really build some faith in people. And one thing, Kevin, I’d say to you from our point of view is we talk to real people every week and I can’t remember too many negative experiences from an MG point of view, from a dealership point of view. You’ve got 10 years ahead of all these new upstarts who are frankly struggling to meet demand, but also train staff and have a dealership experience that matches what should be the ownership experience. You’ve got that leg up. Do you notice that? Do you spend time in, not you, but other people in the business ensuring that you maintain that dealership experience as well?

[00:34:23] Kevin Kou: Absolutely. It’s something that we always trying to pay attention to and also ensure the relationships between us and the dealerships and us and the customers, or dealerships and the customers is very solid.

[00:34:36] Trevor Long: All right, mate. Well, lovely to speak to you.

[00:34:38] Stephen Fenech: I’d love to, that you sponsor the South Sydney Rabbitohs team, mate. I’m a Rabbitoh fan. As an Abidós fan, I thought I’d say, yeah, well, good, good taste. You got great taste in—

[00:34:45] Trevor Long: Great taste in sporting teams.

[00:34:48] Kevin Kou: Thank you so much. And thank you for your brother’s service to the team. So I really appreciate it.

[00:34:52] Stephen Fenech: Of course. Thanks, mate. I played too, mate. You probably don’t remember that, but that’s all good. That’s fine.

[00:34:57] Trevor Long: He threw, he ran a couple of times out there. Kevin, lovely to meet you. Lovely to speak to you. And we’ll talk again soon, I’m sure.

[00:35:04] Kevin Kou: Thank you, Trevor. Thank you, Steve. See ya.

[00:35:06] Trevor Long: Thank you so much. There you go. From MG Australia, Kevin Koh, a product planning manager. And yeah, We’d love to know what other brands you’d like to speak to. We’ll talk to anyone if they’ll talk to us, folks, anytime. Absolutely. Here on Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars is what we do.

[00:35:19] Stephen Fenech: Great portfolio, MG. Well done.

[00:35:21] Trevor Long: Love that MG4 Urban. It’s a great value vehicle at $30,000.

[00:35:25] Stephen Fenech: What are we talking about? One of the first brands to be offering EVs in Australia. That ZS among the very first.

[00:35:30] Trevor Long: Yeah, it was a petrol platform that had been converted, but it was an electric car here in Australia. There you go. We’d love to hear from you. 0477 655 555. 657, 657. Welcome back to Two Blokes Talking Electric Cars. We’ll get back to your calls next week. 0477 657 657. But Stephen, we are in the Kia EV6, uh, Air. So this is the entry-level, uh, 2026 model. Not a lot has changed since this car came to Australia other than obvious, you know, basic software improvements and things like this. But this car, the EV6, was the first fully electric car for Kia. Yeah. And you consider now how big their range is.

[00:36:14] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, right.

[00:36:15] Stephen Fenech: The different style though in here, because all your gears and your on/start button is down in the console. On other Kias, it’s up in the— every other Kia, it’s up in the stalk.

[00:36:27] Trevor Long: Yes, it’s a big—

[00:36:28] Stephen Fenech: but this is all here in front of you. You rather than being up there.

[00:36:31] Trevor Long: Look, I don’t— I mean, it’s not the end of the world, uh, because we’re not really comparing it in that sense. But here’s some simple little things, um, and we actually— I’m pretty sure, were we in this car together at some point and we were trying to change something? Um, I was trying to change— yeah, you were trying to set a radio. Was it us trying to listen to the radio?

[00:36:48] Stephen Fenech: Listen to the radio.

[00:36:49] Trevor Long: And I only just found out there’s this button here which changes these touch-sensitive area to be—

[00:36:54] Stephen Fenech: I knew that— the mid.

[00:36:55] Trevor Long: So that’s where you’d find the go home and media controls and stuff like that.

[00:36:58] Stephen Fenech: Then you got your AC controls.

[00:36:59] Trevor Long: AC controls.

[00:37:00] Stephen Fenech: I’m like, oh, that would have been good to know, cuz they were on the other models.

[00:37:03] Trevor Long: It’s up in the screen. Exactly, it’s up a bit higher.

[00:37:05] Stephen Fenech: And just on the screen, it goes from the driver, the cluster, all the way to the middle. So it’s one screen.

[00:37:10] Trevor Long: Now look this up, folks. Have a look at this online, cuz I’m not putting vision of it up for you. Um, we’re not going to that level. Okay. Um, if we did use the 360, I could— anyway, let’s not do that. Um, but see, now here’s my point about the CLA the other day. Yeah, right. Yeah, that, that has 3 screens. They look like 3 independent computer monitors, whereas what Kia’s done is they’ve worked it so that the screens don’t have a clear edge. You know, the driver infotainment has a black background and items on it, and so you don’t notice that they’re not actually one screen, it’s 2 screens. Yeah, in fact, in the EV9, there’s another little screen in the middle which is not a full LCD. It’s just your kind of climate control info. I just like the fact that it looks like it could well be one big screen. Yeah, but it’s actually absolutely not. Yes, but it’s a really nice layout. It’s a nice design.

[00:37:58] Stephen Fenech: You know what gives it a lot of space? So see how the center console here— you can’t see this, right? So the center console, there’s a gap, so it doesn’t run up into the dashboard. It does give the car a sense of space.

[00:38:11] Trevor Long: Yeah, I agree, I agree. But Mate, my number one hate is the door handle. The door handle.

[00:38:17] Stephen Fenech: I remember the— remember when I got this last week and you, and you were saying unlock the door, and I said it’s unlocked, mate. You got to—

[00:38:23] Trevor Long: cuz again, on nearly every other key, and nearly every other key, they pop out. Yes, and not this one. Look, I just don’t like the idea of— I don’t like it in a Tesla either. You got to push one side of it to get it out, and come on, what are we doing here? It’s just a silly mechanism that I’m not a fan of.

[00:38:38] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I don’t mind, like, the finish of it. It is a little plastic in the car, um, and the seats are sort of leather-like, but, um, not, not a bad design, not a bad look. I like that this is kind of a less— more like a Tesla, like less is more.

[00:38:52] Trevor Long: Yeah, true. This is the sporty Kia, right? This is the Kia that you can get the GT line. So this is a $78,000 on-road car entry level, right?

[00:39:00] Stephen Fenech: Really? How much?

[00:39:01] Trevor Long: $78,000? $78,000.

[00:39:04] Stephen Fenech: All right, okay.

[00:39:04] Trevor Long: Now you can spend $109,000 EV9 and get the GT model. I’ve got to tell you, that thing goes like the clappers. It’s got great handling, it’s got performance. This has other modes, this has a sport mode, and it’ll have a bit of a get up and go, but nothing like the GT line model. But this is about— this is for people who want that, that sporty style, sporty performance, sporty look. This is not meant to be a family car like an EV3 or an EV5 or an EV9. This is kind of a second set of EVs.

[00:39:28] Stephen Fenech: How would you class this? Is it, is it, is it SUV, hatchback, or what would you class it?

[00:39:32] Trevor Long: I would think it’s a— they probably call it a shooting brake, but it’s a hatch. Yeah, it’s got a big hatch at the back.

[00:39:37] Stephen Fenech: It does have a nice shape. I do quite like the shape of it.

[00:39:40] Trevor Long: I’m a big fan. But the thing is, it, it’s like what we said last week about the BYD. There’s two different designers at Kia. One that did the EV5, EV9, EV3, you know, that kind of square look. And then there’s the, the person that’s designing this one with this sharp-angled sporty look. Okay, I don’t mind either.

[00:39:55] Stephen Fenech: Customers variety. Because like the other Kias, the more modern Kias, you know, the higher the number you go up, obviously the better the model, but they do look samey. They’re meant to be that like that.

[00:40:09] Trevor Long: They are meant to be a family of family EVs.

[00:40:13] Stephen Fenech: But this gives you, it gives us, yeah, it’s pretty heavy.

[00:40:15] Trevor Long: You probably hear that on our mics, to be honest.

[00:40:17] Stephen Fenech: It is, but this I think is like a different, its own little, you know how Mercedes have their AMG.

[00:40:24] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:40:24] Stephen Fenech: This is kind of— it feels like Kia’s version of their own.

[00:40:28] Trevor Long: You know, the way Hyundai puts the N line on different things, this is without putting any badge on it, this is essentially in that range for Kia. But I think what’s interesting is there’s no real competitor to this. Yeah, like obviously if you just took the inner capsule, the passenger capsule, you’d go, oh, like a BYD Seal. Yeah, like there’s all the sedans this might feel like. Yep. But it’s really about that big boot sporty look. There is, by the way, there’s a frunk for a couple of pairs of shoes.

[00:40:56] Stephen Fenech: Does the BYD Silver Line 7 have a frunk?

[00:40:58] Trevor Long: No, no frunk. Oh, I didn’t— I don’t think it has a frunk. Don’t quote me. Yeah, but this definitely has a frunk shoebox for a couple of pairs of shoes. Not even in a box. I don’t think they can be in the box. Okay. It’s, you know, it’s cable storage. Okay. Like, I wish the EV9 had a huge amount of frunk storage, but I’m just glad it has cable cable storage. So all my cables are in there.

[00:41:16] Stephen Fenech: That’s important, eh?

[00:41:17] Trevor Long: So they’re not cluttering up the boot.

[00:41:18] Stephen Fenech: Because they’ve got to be with you, the cables.

[00:41:20] Trevor Long: How many cars do you get in? Like hatches, you get in and you pop the hatch and there’s a huge cable there which is essentially taking up space.

[00:41:27] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s true, that’s true. So at least you can put that in the front.

[00:41:30] Trevor Long: Correct. Don’t sacrifice the back.

[00:41:31] Stephen Fenech: Now what about, what’s the range on this baby?

[00:41:34] Trevor Long: That’s a great question, Stephen. 585 km.

[00:41:37] Stephen Fenech: Wow, that’s decent.

[00:41:38] Trevor Long: 582, I looked at my—

[00:41:40] Stephen Fenech: That’s decent.

[00:41:41] Trevor Long: So I wrote it on my hand, folks. I got a lot, I got a lot of information to keep in. Well, we’re at 59% now. Yeah, and it’s 342. That’s good.

[00:41:50] Stephen Fenech: That’s heaps.

[00:41:50] Trevor Long: That’s very generous range. And I’d suggest that that has increased since they first released this car. I suggest that they’ve worked on battery efficiency and batteries.

[00:42:00] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:42:01] Trevor Long: And that’s, that’s improved because that’s a lot of range for a car that’s been in the market for a long time. I think, well, a competitor Otherwise, maybe this is a Model Y competitor to some people, because Model Y people talk about, you know, performance, and, you know, Teslas generally, they talk about how they have that punch off the line, all those different things.

[00:42:17] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I’d say for space, this would easily match the Model Y. Yeah, not a problem.

[00:42:22] Trevor Long: I’m a big fan.

[00:42:23] Stephen Fenech: I’m a tall guy, I’ve got my feet fully stretched out, and I’m still—

[00:42:27] Trevor Long: I can’t touch the floor. Oh, so, uh, he’s not hitting the firewall.

[00:42:30] Stephen Fenech: Trevor told me to put seat down. I was a bit high before.

[00:42:33] Trevor Long: I saw—

[00:42:33] Trevor Long: I’m just trying to—

[00:42:34] Stephen Fenech: I’ve lowered, lowered it to make you look comfortable. Yeah, I am comfortable. This is really good.

[00:42:39] Trevor Long: You know, it’s a good car. This is, uh, I love it. It’s a great drive. It’s, uh, it’s a good feeling on the road. It’s just expensive. Like, for me, yeah, there’s a lot in this. What is it, 70? It’s 78. But so if you think of—

[00:42:51] Stephen Fenech: wow—

[00:42:51] Trevor Long: EVs between 65 and 85, right? A lot of choices. It’s a big range. There’s a lot in that space, a lot. And I think that’s the challenge for this car, is it’s an older model. Yep. But it’s got the sporty punch. So you’re buying this because you want something that looks different, a sporty punch, and is refined. Because frankly, this is— this has been on the road for years. It’s reliable. This is a reliable purchase for people, which some people— and dealerships everywhere, right?

[00:43:19] Stephen Fenech: That’s a good point. So Kia’s company been around for a while. You know that if you buy an EV, you’re going to get after-sales support and servicing and, well, anything you need. But, uh, I just want to comment, the back seat is pretty generous. Oh yeah, it’s legroom for days back there. Yeah, and, uh, and plenty of boot space too.

[00:43:36] Trevor Long: So I don’t think anyone would be disappointed.

[00:43:37] Stephen Fenech: Will they pass the golf club test?

[00:43:39] Trevor Long: Uh, yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don’t— you might need— you might not put golf, golf cart and buggy, your bag and buggy, right? But I don’t think you get that in many cars. Yeah, might have to do a split, split rear seat, split rear fold All right, if you’re interested in a Kia, we can hook you up with a deal because our man Aaron can do that for you. We can get a great deal for you. If you’re in the market, just send us an SMS, 0477 776 57657. We’ll try and make sure you get at least the best deal, um, you can see. And then if you want to haggle elsewhere, do your best, folks.

[00:44:07] Stephen Fenech: And by the way, we don’t make a cent out of that.

[00:44:09] Trevor Long: It’s just to help you guys. That’s right. Um, next week I think we’ll do the Cadillac Vistiq. I cannot wait.

[00:44:17] Stephen Fenech: Hello.

[00:44:18] Trevor Long: For you to see that car.

[00:44:19] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[00:44:20] Trevor Long: Let alone drive that car. Now, my preview, this is like the—

[00:44:22] Stephen Fenech: for the full 2 weeks or—

[00:44:23] Trevor Long: no, you’re not, because I love that car. I, I could have easily bought the Vistic instead of the EV9. Really? I’ll tell you why.

[00:44:31] Stephen Fenech: Why do you like it so much?

[00:44:32] Trevor Long: You know what I love about America? Yeah, the Cadillac Escalade. You know, like big, you know, those— it’s your Hollywood, the VIP car, right? Yes, mate. The Cadillac Vistic. I don’t know what color press car is, but in black. It is a baller car. So that’s next week, we’ll do that next week, and after that the Ioniq 6N. So some sporty performance coming your way, all that in ahead. And, uh, we’ll be back next week with your calls. If you want to get in touch, 0477 657 657.

[00:44:57] Stephen Fenech: See you, mate. Ciao.