The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 737 – First Impressions of Siri AI

TBTT #737 – First Impressions of Siri AI

Podcast: Two Blokes Talking Tech
Date: 18 June 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech

[00:00:00] Trevor Long: Look, we’ll unpack it in vast—

[00:00:04] Stephen Fenech: Fast.

[00:00:04] Trevor Long: So we’re rolling. Thanks for the heads up. In vast and immense detail in the private feed if you wanna explore this topic. But well done, the Socceroos.

[00:00:14] Stephen Fenech: No! Yeah, Socceroos, baby!

[00:00:17] Trevor Long: I’ll use that joke again on the private feed.

[00:00:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, mate, come up with something original.

[00:00:21] Trevor Long: Stephen, congratulations.

[00:00:23] Stephen Fenech: Thank you very much.

[00:00:23] Trevor Long: On behalf of all of our listeners, our loyal, determined listeners. Grandpa Steve is here. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment I’ve been waiting for for so long. Grandpa Steve.

[00:00:36] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, it’s official. I’m a grandpa. I think I’m gonna be called Pop. I think it’s gonna be my name, Pop.

[00:00:42] Trevor Long: Not here, you’re not.

[00:00:43] Stephen Fenech: Pop. But yeah, Jo’s Nanny and I’m Pop. Nanny and Pop.

[00:00:47] Trevor Long: But yeah, thanks for— how did you learn that part of the shebang?

[00:00:50] Stephen Fenech: Well, I don’t know.

[00:00:50] Trevor Long: They just— did Hayley say those words?

[00:00:53] Stephen Fenech: Well, I don’t know.

[00:00:53] Trevor Long: Me Pop? Like, did you see what happened?

[00:00:55] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think so. I don’t know.

[00:00:57] Trevor Long: You definitely don’t get to choose it, that’s for sure.

[00:00:59] Stephen Fenech: But I’m officially a grandfather, yes. But that’s, I’m very proud of that. And I’ve gotta say it was a very emotional time. It wasn’t us having our own child, it’s our child having a child, which is amazing. And you know what? You really take a greater appreciation in your position in the grand scheme of things.

[00:01:19] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:01:20] Stephen Fenech: You know what I mean?

[00:01:20] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:01:21] Stephen Fenech: You’ve raised your child to have their own child.

[00:01:23] Trevor Long: Yeah. You are an old, old man.

[00:01:26] Stephen Fenech: It is. She’s only 25, Hayley. She’s my youngest.

[00:01:29] Trevor Long: That doesn’t matter, mate.

[00:01:30] Stephen Fenech: So my youngest has had a baby.

[00:01:31] Trevor Long: I didn’t say anything about Hayley’s age. I didn’t say anything.

[00:01:34] Stephen Fenech: Well, you know what? It is what it is. Good on her. God bless her. She’s well. Baby’s well. Baby’s thriving. We’re very proud grandparents.

[00:01:43] Trevor Long: And she’s— hearing you say that is still blowing my mind.

[00:01:47] Stephen Fenech: She’s in a whole world of love. He’s in a whole— Welcome to the world. It’s a song by Client Liaison. Welcome to the world. ‘To the World of Our Love’ is what it is.

[00:01:58] Trevor Long: Did you play that on the way home?

[00:02:00] Stephen Fenech: No, I didn’t. But it resonated. There’s a lot of love for this little kid.

[00:02:05] Trevor Long: I know we’re distracted, but have a look at Pauline’s face. We’re recording during the press club. She looks so angry.

[00:02:11] Stephen Fenech: Why wouldn’t she? That press club address was riveting.

[00:02:15] Trevor Long: Anyway, little Jack.

[00:02:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, little Jack.

[00:02:18] Trevor Long: Welcome.

[00:02:19] Stephen Fenech: And by the time you’re hearing this, he’s a week old. He’s a week old.

[00:02:24] Trevor Long: Grandparents count weeks.

[00:02:25] Stephen Fenech: 4,000 photos were taken on the first day. It’s just massive amounts of photos.

[00:02:29] Trevor Long: You think about it when— Apple got an alert that the iCloud needed upgrading. iCloud is full. They built a new data center.

[00:02:35] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well Google Photos in my case at the moment. But it’s funny when my kids were born, my Jacqueline’s 31 now, she was born in 1995. Okay, no phones, barely, we just got the internet connected at home. And yeah, her album is this big. And then Aaron came along 2 years later. His album was this big. And then Hayley came along in 2000. Her album was this big ’cause we had our phones and stuff. Well, not quite phones in 2000, but we had digital cameras.

[00:03:07] Trevor Long: Certainly digital. Yeah. You didn’t need to print every photo to be able to see them.

[00:03:11] Stephen Fenech: But now like this young kid is, you know, most photographed in our family by a mile at the moment. Yeah. Can’t complain, mate. Well, Jo’s still up there with him and helping him out, you know, helping Hayley. She’s back home now, sort of helping to get into the routine. And she sends me a couple of pics a day, you know, an update on our little grandkid. And I jokingly call her Grandma. Hey Grandma. And then she says, hey Poppy. Yeah, it’s nice. Yeah. But you know what it is? And I don’t wanna get too emotional here, but it’s also like I’m looking at Jo, like I’m thinking, hang on, this is a girl I met. And we got married and had our own kids. And now our kids have had kids. I’m just really proud of how far we’ve come together. That was another part of this, seeing that, look at the family we’ve raised and now they’re gonna be raising their own families.

[00:04:07] Trevor Long: Yeah. Pretty nice.

[00:04:09] Stephen Fenech: I can understand why people say that. Everyone was saying to me, guys, oh, wait, mate, being a grandparent, it’s great. And I can understand, I now understand what they’re talking about. You get it, I get it. Yeah, so thank you for everyone who’s already sent.

[00:04:20] Trevor Long: Have you done anything else in the last week?

[00:04:22] Stephen Fenech: You know, I had to come home and do, I’ve been working, I’ve been writing and doing my podcast and coming here with you, but the last—

[00:04:29] Trevor Long: Well, you’re halfway there, you should be popping up today.

[00:04:30] Stephen Fenech: 2 days, Thursday and Friday that I was there. I just sort of did the bare minimum on the site and then it was the weekend. So I was good, but then yeah, back and over.

[00:04:42] Trevor Long: I do the bare minimum every day and there’s no grandchild involved.

[00:04:44] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I saw you had a bit of time to engage with a few people on Threads. I’m thinking, because I don’t know why, but Threads always, whenever I refresh Threads, if you’ve put a story up or you’ve commented, you’re at the top of my bloody Threads, right?

[00:05:00] Trevor Long: As it should be, let’s go.

[00:05:01] Stephen Fenech: So I’m thinking, oh, hang on, who’s Trevor engaging with here? And yeah. I think we discussed it on the private feed, but let’s just say Trev’s back.

[00:05:09] Trevor Long: Trev is back.

[00:05:11] Stephen Fenech: So look out if you’re on Threads and you say something you don’t like, look out.

[00:05:15] Trevor Long: Well, isn’t it, not to get too political and we will get to the show. So stand by for the time code if you’re watching on YouTube, that’ll be down below in the comments. Isn’t it funny how, like I’ve been watching Hughesy, have you noticed Hughesy?

[00:05:30] Stephen Fenech: Like he’s just gone full— hasn’t his popularity exploded?

[00:05:33] Trevor Long: Full political.

[00:05:34] Stephen Fenech: Mate, and you know what? ‘Cause he knows, he’s seen the reaction, he’s gone viral with all that stuff. And mate, his popularity is just rocketing now. And I think it will. I think his comedy will take a political slant now too. He wasn’t really too political before. I reckon he’s found gold, mate.

[00:05:53] Trevor Long: No, I don’t think it needs to affect his show. I think it’s just, do you know what I think? And I get this really weirdly positive reaction if I, and I don’t do it a lot. But if I do a video like an Instagram reel or even just a story where I swear, because I’m so passionate about something. Like I’m like, you know, that, you know?

[00:06:12] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:06:12] Trevor Long: It normally goes really well because you know why? Because people want authenticity. They wanna know that you don’t just think this.

[00:06:22] Stephen Fenech: You’re passionate about it.

[00:06:22] Trevor Long: You’re passionate about it. Yeah, right, right.

[00:06:25] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. I can understand the algorithm digging into that.

[00:06:27] Trevor Long: Yeah, I think people go, that’s real. He’s into that. It’s funny ’cause I did one once, years ago. I can’t remember. I think it was when there was a TikTok trend going around about, remember when you can tap to share with Apple and you share your—

[00:06:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:06:41] Trevor Long: And there was people on the internet saying that that was a huge security risk. And I just sat in my car ’cause I’d seen it for the 1,500th time. And I went, listen, we have to stop this BS. And I was using the F word and just going— the TikTok went, hello.

[00:06:56] Stephen Fenech: Stupid, right?

[00:06:57] Trevor Long: What are you doing? And I remember putting it up and even the boss of the Today Show was like, mate, great content. I’m not gonna do that content on air. But you know what?

[00:07:08] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, if you wanna hear the blokes loose, you have to listen to the private feed.

[00:07:12] Trevor Long: I think people resonate with Trevor saying the F word on the private feed.

[00:07:17] Stephen Fenech: Many more times.

[00:07:17] Trevor Long: Not so much from me. Yeah, I know. We’ve done the numbers.

[00:07:19] Stephen Fenech: Trevor’s more the potty mouth.

[00:07:21] Trevor Long: I’m the potty mouth.

[00:07:22] Stephen Fenech: Potty mouth or passionate? Passionate.

[00:07:24] Trevor Long: I’m potty mouth.

[00:07:24] Stephen Fenech: What was the recent thing you had that went well where you swore? What was that? Or are you talking about the other one?

[00:07:28] Trevor Long: No, I was thinking of the other one.

[00:07:30] Stephen Fenech: But so you’re gonna drop the few F-bombs now in your content, is that what you’re saying or what?

[00:07:34] Trevor Long: Thinking about it, yeah. No, I don’t know. It’s, you know, it’s different type of content. If I’m passionate about something, I will.

[00:07:40] Stephen Fenech: So will, and you won’t get taken down, eh? Because it’s not like adult content. Swearing is allowed on.

[00:07:46] Trevor Long: The only, like, especially on TikTok, if you—

[00:07:48] Stephen Fenech: You won’t get a tap on the shoulder.

[00:07:49] Trevor Long: Call someone a name in the comments.

[00:07:51] Stephen Fenech: Oh, they’ll pull you up.

[00:07:53] Trevor Long: Oh, I’ve been banned from TikTok.

[00:07:55] Stephen Fenech: There you go. In the past.

[00:07:56] Trevor Long: I’ve had to make some serious phone calls to get my account back.

[00:07:58] Stephen Fenech: Shame Threads haven’t got the same standards, eh?

[00:08:00] Trevor Long: No, no, but I don’t think I’ve been abusive. I’ve just been talking down to people going like, get a life, what are you talking about, you idiot?

[00:08:08] Stephen Fenech: How much time have you had to do that? It’s just a time suck, don’t you reckon?

[00:08:13] Trevor Long: I don’t read books like you do.

[00:08:16] Stephen Fenech: Did you have a few casual days this week? I’m thinking I was tempted to text you and say, mate, not much on at EFTM today, hey? Because doesn’t it take time?

[00:08:25] Trevor Long: It takes— it doesn’t, mate. It’s 2 seconds.

[00:08:27] Stephen Fenech: Back in the day when I used to engage with dickheads on social media, I’m thinking it used to suck hours out of my day.

[00:08:34] Trevor Long: Well, here’s the strength of my resolve is this.

[00:08:40] Trevor Long: I went over to Paul Murray’s on Saturday night to watch the Formula 1. He was just watching it by the fire. So I took a portable TV around and we watched it on KO on a portable TV and had a good night. And for some reason during the chat, he said, I’m thinking about going back on Twitter. ‘Cause he abandoned it as well. And I said, mate, I’ll be honest with you. Once a fortnight, I think about that. Once a fortnight, I think I should go back there.

[00:09:02] Stephen Fenech: So is your account still there?

[00:09:06] Trevor Long: Message just pinned. It says, if you’re looking for me, here’s all my—

[00:09:07] Stephen Fenech: You just haven’t engaged. Yeah, because I’m still on it. I still share my stories, everything. I don’t engage with people unless it’s something—

[00:09:13] Trevor Long: Trevor Long account doesn’t have anything new, but the EFTM just, it’s just automatic. I don’t use it.

[00:09:19] Stephen Fenech: Well, same with me. I’m just re—

[00:09:20] Trevor Long: I haven’t replied to someone on Twitter.

[00:09:24] Stephen Fenech: They sent out a search party for you. For years.

[00:09:27] Trevor Long: They went looking for you. And then I went, you know what, Threads. I love Threads because it’s a little bit more sanitized, but it does get their algorithmic work has been pretty strong lately. So I am seeing a lot of like—

[00:09:37] Stephen Fenech: Twitter’s become a lot more adult as well. And in every way that you think you can think of, including porn, all that crap is on X, it’s just gone crazy.

[00:09:49] Trevor Long: Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well anyway, my resolve is I’m not going back on it. I don’t need that in my life. For the 3 minutes that I’m on Threads, it’s not—

[00:09:56] Stephen Fenech: Not this week with 3 minutes.

[00:09:58] Trevor Long: It might’ve been 6.

[00:10:01] Stephen Fenech: But what does that— you just feel like you need to get involved.

[00:10:03] Trevor Long: I put a message out, I don’t stay waiting for the responses.

[00:10:07] Trevor Long: Like I’ll come back 2 days later and go, “Oh, whoops, that went,” you know? ‘Cause then you get the odd person who’s like, “Well, you’re an idiot.” I’m like, “Well, so are you, whatever.” Takes one to know one.

[00:10:16] Stephen Fenech: Trev just loves getting involved. Yeah, you love just getting in. You can’t sit on the sideline.

[00:10:21] Trevor Long: You know what? If I was running for government, I would go back to the Aaron Mullen, Scott Morrison policy of saying everyone needs to prove their identity.

[00:10:31] Stephen Fenech: Can’t be anonymous.

[00:10:32] Trevor Long: You can be anonymous publicly.

[00:10:34] Stephen Fenech: To a point, yeah.

[00:10:35] Trevor Long: But if you say some stuff.

[00:10:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, then you should be liable for it. Well, look what happened. Didn’t Mark Latham get found guilty— he’s gotta pay the guy like $140K or something.

[00:10:47] Trevor Long: As is probably right.

[00:10:49] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. ‘Cause what he said was pretty disgusting. The law applies to social media too. Like if that was in the paper, he would have been found guilty, no dramas at all. But because it was on social media, it was dragged out a little bit longer.

[00:11:03] Trevor Long: Dude, the things people say on social media.

[00:11:05] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, they think it’s kind of a free zone where they can get away with stuff.

[00:11:10] Trevor Long: Some of my favorite TikTok accounts are the ones where, and they’re often just really smart women. And they’ll, like someone says something in the comments, and what they do is they do a deep dive and they find that person.

[00:11:20] Stephen Fenech: They find that person.

[00:11:20] Trevor Long: They find that person, they find their wife. And it’s just— such good content. I found one the other day where she found his house on Google Street View. I was like, I know you live here.

[00:11:30] Stephen Fenech: I saw a similar one too. There was one woman who someone found where she works and dobbed her in. They had their own little business and exposed it. Here’s her business and good luck. They shut the business down.

[00:11:52] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:11:53] Stephen Fenech: And I do love that guy on Insta, I think he is, who calls out all the influencers.

[00:11:59] Trevor Long: I think his dad stacks all of them. Oh my God. Oh my God, you guys.

[00:12:04] Stephen Fenech: That guy. Yeah, mate. He’s a genius. I wanna meet him. He’s the one who’s lying down.

[00:12:10] Trevor Long: He’s lying down.

[00:12:11] Stephen Fenech: He’s always lying down. We spoke about it earlier.

[00:12:12] Trevor Long: It’s great content.

[00:12:13] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. But he calls them out big time. Like there was one woman influencer who went to India and was complaining about, “Oh, there’s all these Indians here and all they serve is curry.” Here in India.

[00:12:26] Trevor Long: I came across, there’s a lady, sorry, we’re getting to the show. It’s gonna be a long one, sorry. I came across a lady who was just smashing someone in America. She’s an Australian woman for how they made fairy bread. And it was just a series. So she gets tagged in all these things. And then today she was commenting on someone’s video, this woman in the UK or in America, whose partner went to a concert and she went with him but stayed in the hotel and she booked a fancy hotel. She was complaining about the kids being noisy and everyone in the comments is like, it’s literally a family hotel. And this woman just smashed her.

[00:12:59] Stephen Fenech: So good. Love it.

[00:13:00] Trevor Long: I love the internet.

[00:13:01] Stephen Fenech: Love it.

[00:13:01] Trevor Long: That’s why everyone should have social media, kids included. We should talk about that either this week or next Tuesday. UK’s following Australia. And Canada too. Anyway, enough of that and more of this.

[00:13:16] Stephen Fenech: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:13:19] Trevor Long: Not a bad price.

[00:13:19] Stephen Fenech: With Trevor Long from eftm.com. Really handy device. And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au.

[00:13:27] Trevor Long: Great to have your company for episode 737. It’s the Boeing episode. This is the—

[00:13:33] Stephen Fenech: 737. Well, my Souths number’s 767. My first grade number’s 767.

[00:13:37] Trevor Long: Oh, you’re 767.

[00:13:38] Stephen Fenech: Oh yeah.

[00:13:38] Trevor Long: So this is the Max 8. The software update, so it won’t crash. Don’t worry. Yeah, it’s turned off. Everyone, we’re okay. Relax. Anyway, episode 737. Thanks to the great people at Netgear and Arlo for your home networking and home security. All we ask is that you give them consideration when you’re down at the shops or you’re online thinking about buying security cameras or Wi-Fi. Just please consider those companies because they’ve been supporting us for a very long time and we appreciate it and we hope that you support them too. Do you wanna touch on England and Canada? Because my wife sent me a video.

[00:14:13] Stephen Fenech: Well, social media.

[00:14:14] Trevor Long: Yeah, my wife sent me a video of a, she must be Canadian, and she said she’s a teacher. And she did this long video about the social media ban, how it wouldn’t work. And she was reading notes, it was very, very good.

[00:14:25] Stephen Fenech: She’s a Canadian teacher.

[00:14:26] Trevor Long: Yeah, she’s got a strong social media presence. So she’s coming at it from the right place. And she said all the right things. It’s like, it’s not gonna work, how you gonna do this and how you gonna do that? And then I found out they’re talking about it in the UK as well.

[00:14:38] Stephen Fenech: And name-dropping Australia too as the one, the country that went first.

[00:14:42] Trevor Long: Yeah, ’cause the thing is, and someone asked me about it on the radio this week, and I go, guys, it’s just politics. Because it works. It’s a great vote-getter. Because as we’ve said a million times here on this show over the last more than a year, the concept of it is bound by an absolute theory that we would all support, which is we want our kids to be safe. We want our kids to be okay. But what we believe is that it’s not working and kids are still on social media and it hasn’t changed anything.

[00:15:12] Stephen Fenech: Getting around it, yeah.

[00:15:12] Trevor Long: And they’re finding ways around it.

[00:15:14] Stephen Fenech: But by doing the ban you’re also denying the good parts of social media— the feeling of community and sharing and being able to be in touch with people. So rather than putting the pressure on the platforms to change, we just said, “Everyone out.” And so when everyone comes back in, it’s the same.

[00:15:40] Trevor Long: And I would be really frankly upset if these countries implemented a like-for-like law. Like this woman said the exact same things we’ve said. It’s like, what about Discord? And she says, as a teacher, that’s where some of the nasty stuff happens. Yes, it is.

[00:15:55] Stephen Fenech: That’s the problem.

[00:15:56] Trevor Long: It’s not included. Like it’s not included.

[00:15:58] Stephen Fenech: Well, neither is Roblox and a lot of other places.

[00:16:00] Trevor Long: No, but Roblox isn’t a social media platform in any way, shape, or form.

[00:16:03] Stephen Fenech: But they do communicate.

[00:16:05] Trevor Long: Yeah, but it’s not— it would be stupid to be—

[00:16:07] Stephen Fenech: Like gaming platforms, there’s a lot of chat and communication there too.

[00:16:11] Trevor Long: Yeah, but that’s the thing. If you’re gonna cut off communication, you should be cutting off WhatsApp and iMessage as well. You should be cutting off phones.

[00:16:18] Stephen Fenech: I feel that social media is as much communication as those other things.

[00:16:23] Trevor Long: It’s funny, Vivi said to me last night, I got home, she’d just gone to bed, and Amanda had said to me, she might ring you and ask you about it, about her big interview today for like school leadership positions. And she was kind of upset and nervous. And I got home and she said, “Dad, come in here.” I went, “Okay, well, that’s cool, I’ll go in.” She didn’t say anything about it and we were talking about something else and then she said, “Oh, I was vlogging to him.” I went, “Whoa, whoa, whoa, vlogging? What are you talking about?” She goes, “Oh, just my Snapchat story.” And I’m like, this is how they communicate. So she’s able to record a video, it goes to 5 friends and they can all then say, “Oh, don’t worry about this and whatever.” That’s just how they communicate.

[00:17:00] Stephen Fenech: That’s it.

[00:17:00] Trevor Long: And you take it away from kids.

[00:17:02] Stephen Fenech: So whereas me, I’m that old, it was a letter. You’d write a letter and post it.

[00:17:05] Trevor Long: Weren’t you using a chisel? You idiot.

[00:17:08] Stephen Fenech: On slate. But things change, right? Tech improves. Have you ever considered writing a letter to someone? Writing on a piece of paper?

[00:17:19] Trevor Long: No.

[00:17:20] Stephen Fenech: Getting an envelope, stamp, posting it?

[00:17:22] Trevor Long: Why would I do that?

[00:17:22] Stephen Fenech: It doesn’t happen anymore, right? So the way we communicate now, it’s instant. And it’s often through social media. So your daughter just proved my point.

[00:17:32] Trevor Long: Yeah, 100%. And look, it goes back to— and our message to the UK government and the Canadian government is very simple. Let parents be parents. And the best form—

[00:17:42] Stephen Fenech: It should be an opt-in.

[00:17:43] Trevor Long: I often think about this. It’s like, okay, if I ran for office and people said, what would you do about X, Y, and Z? Well, there’s a bunch of policies I got no idea about, but ask me about the kids’ social media, man, I got you covered. I’d be like, okay, well, the first thing I’m gonna do is I’m gonna make sure that you’re allowed on social media—

[00:18:00] Stephen Fenech: As long as your parents—

[00:18:01] Trevor Long: At any age, if your parents have authorized the account. And linked their account and opted into all of the strict parental controls that exist on all these platforms. Let parents be parents.

[00:18:12] Stephen Fenech: Well, that’s just on that. Imagine that being the scenario, right? Say you’re a 14 or 15-year-old and say, “Hey, mom, dad, I wanna still be on social media, but you need to say this, this, and this and help me.” So that drags the parent who wasn’t involved into the picture and says, “Oh, okay, then I’ve gotta take some responsibility here.”

[00:18:36] Trevor Long: So what is it? What do you want me to do? And ask questions. At the very least it brings conversations. And you know, we’re all guilty of that, right? But if you force a child to say, “Hey mom, do you mind if you could approve this?” then do you know what? There are some parents that go, “Sure, click, click, click, next, next, next, fine.” But at least they did it. And then hopefully they get the odd pop-up message that reminds them about the screen time limits or whatever it might be.

[00:19:06] Stephen Fenech: I’ve always said that a parent’s responsibility is as much online as it is offline. If your kids are doing something and your responsibility of care is for them, when they’re online it should be the same. So I think if like, you’re a good example where you actually took the trouble, and credit to you, you did a great job with your parental controls and the kids know the rules.

[00:19:35] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[00:19:35] Stephen Fenech: Now, if that was me, right? My kids are all in their 20s now and one in their 30s, right? So I’m out of this. But if I was you and had gone to that much trouble, I’d be offended that Albanese said, “No, no, no, I know better than you.” Is that how you feel?

[00:19:53] Trevor Long: That is what I’m offended by. I’m offended that I’ve made the decision to bypass the regulations and let my kids on, and I now have no control because their accounts are now listed as 16-year-olds. And so the parental controls that I wanted for under-16s and were there don’t exist.

[00:20:10] Stephen Fenech: That’s amazing. So that’s backfired sort of on you.

[00:20:14] Trevor Long: Yes. Yes. The parental controls don’t exist because if I implement them, they get kicked off.

[00:20:20] Stephen Fenech: That means they’re off. Oh no.

[00:20:22] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:20:22] Stephen Fenech: That’s just a backwards upside down system, mate.

[00:20:25] Trevor Long: Or an active digital parent.

[00:20:27] Stephen Fenech: Yes.

[00:20:27] Trevor Long: And I don’t care if that’s 5% of parents or 10% or 100%. We should be allowed. And, you know, it’s again, it’s about conversations. Imagine, you know, Victoria says, well, yeah, but I want Emmy or Louis or whoever to be on, but their parents won’t let them. I’m like, well, I can’t help with that. But if their parents wanted to, call me, we could talk about it. Maybe we can have them around for dinner and we can talk about it or whatever you want. And I might learn something from them too. But it’s all about conversation. ‘Cause in the schoolyard, on the sideline at sport, parents talk about these things and they go, “Has your kid been kicked off?” “No, mine hasn’t been.” And, “Oh no, I’m strict on not letting them back on until they’re 16.” And I’m like, “Well, I’m the opposite.” And whatever.

[00:21:11] Stephen Fenech: How do you feel Annika Wells has been in the news lately. Have you noticed that she’s got sprung for all her— you know, leaving a comms car sitting there for 3.5 hours?

[00:21:21] Trevor Long: I didn’t see that, no.

[00:21:22] Stephen Fenech: It was, no, she’s admitted, she’s gone places in the past. And recently there was a comms car that she could have just caught a cab to, and the comms car was waiting for her for 3 hours. Now she was kind of the face of this leading into it. I don’t know, to me it sort of tarnished it a little bit, like knowing that she’s being sort of pulled up on these other matters. And yet she was such a strong force basically forcing this down our throat for anyone who’s got kids under 16.

[00:21:52] Trevor Long: Well, look, my biggest gripe was that the activists leading the charge for this were parents of kids well under 16. And again, the inherent benefit of this legislation is that the next generation of kids won’t be as reliant on social media because they won’t grow up getting it as early.

[00:22:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:22:09] Trevor Long: But at the same time, they will get it in such a rapid way that they won’t have the slow ramp on, which goes back to my policy, which is let parents be parents. And if the parents are willing to accept the responsibility, let them have it. Secondly, algorithms should have a half-life of 1 week up until they’re 15.

[00:22:29] Stephen Fenech: Just scratch it in.

[00:22:29] Trevor Long: And when they’re 15 or 16, it becomes a month. And when you get to 16, again, it disappears and it begins ramping up from there. So there is no algorithmic memory of what the kids did at 13 that just stays with them for life.

[00:22:42] Stephen Fenech: We’ve hit the 6-month mark now. It was 6 months the other day. And I think at last count, there’s still 70% of kids online.

[00:22:50] Trevor Long: Yeah, but Albo and Annika will say, but 5 million accounts have been deactivated.

[00:22:54] Stephen Fenech: There’s 20 million accounts out there.

[00:22:56] Trevor Long: How many of them were dead accounts? How many of them were actually active kids’ accounts? We don’t know that number. That’s not made public at all.

[00:23:04] Stephen Fenech: And there’s been no pushback from the government on the platforms either. The platforms, you know, they’re being threatened with a near $50 million fine if they don’t have the reasonable measures of getting them off. Have you heard of the government saying, pulling up Meta and saying, “No, no, you’re not doing a good enough job, get them off”?

[00:23:19] Trevor Long: No, ’cause they can’t, ’cause they’ve done the best they can. They’ve done it as much as they can. They’ve made reasonable efforts. By including the words reasonable efforts in the legislation—

[00:23:26] Stephen Fenech: Gives them a big get out.

[00:23:27] Trevor Long: I’m not a lawyer, but that’s like reasonable doubt. All you need to do as a defense attorney— reasonable doubt. You just need to give the jury one reason to go, but I’ve got some doubt.

[00:23:39] Stephen Fenech: Very good segue into our movie this week. Oh, Presumed Innocent this week, starring Harrison Ford. Yes, Greta Scacchi. Great film, all about the very subject we’re talking about.

[00:23:50] Trevor Long: The best movies you’ve never seen, available to search for on your podcast app and available to download every Friday, or on this feed every Saturday. Anyway, if you’ve got friends in the UK or in Canada, maybe go back and grab some of our previous episodes and send them to them.

[00:24:07] Stephen Fenech: So is this— so are they under consideration or are they going to—

[00:24:10] Trevor Long: This is super close to it now.

[00:24:12] Stephen Fenech: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And interestingly, as I said, both times Australia was named as the inspiration for this. So I think Albo might be taking some pride out of that. But the people who are actually where the rule applies to are not happy about it.

[00:24:25] Trevor Long: And they’re getting around it. Crazy. Two Blokes Talking Tech. Everything about tech you never wanted to know.

[00:24:33] Stephen Fenech: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:24:36] Trevor Long: All right, so I’ve had the developer beta of iOS 27 installed since keynote day, basically. And I’ll tell you this, Steve.

[00:24:46] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:24:48] Trevor Long: Apple’s changed. Apple’s changed.

[00:24:50] Stephen Fenech: How have they changed?

[00:24:51] Trevor Long: So a little inside baseball. I’ve had a developer account for ages. And it used to be, and maybe it still is in the fine print, it used to say in the developer beta, you can’t talk about it, you can’t publish photos, you can’t publicly talk about what you see in the developer beta. And I used to be a stickler for rules broadly and also relationships. So I remember having, you know, maybe 2, 3 years ago having something, oh, I really wanna show this or make a video about this. And I remember talking to Apple and them going, well, you have to wait till the public beta comes out and then you can do it.

[00:25:22] Stephen Fenech: Which is next month.

[00:25:23] Trevor Long: Let’s assume that, right? And my argument was always, but 65,000 TikTokers and YouTubers have already made the video.

[00:25:30] Stephen Fenech: It’s too late. Try getting that down, hey.

[00:25:32] Trevor Long: Yeah. Well, now they’re like, have you got the beta yet? Have you installed it? I’m like, ah, they’re like, have you installed it? Because we can fast-track your Siri access because Siri is a big waiting time to get the new Siri. I’m like, what? And all they want— and I’m just being really open with our audience— all they want is for us to disclose clearly, yes, this is a developer beta.

[00:25:51] Stephen Fenech: Beta.

[00:25:52] Trevor Long: And I’m using the final product. It’s not the final product because one of the things I’ll say to you right now is it’s slow as hell. Siri AI is very slow.

[00:25:59] Stephen Fenech: Really?

[00:25:59] Trevor Long: The responses are slow. But once you—

[00:26:00] Stephen Fenech: And you’re using it on the iPhone. Yeah. You like that phone, don’t you? You like that phone.

[00:26:06] Trevor Long: Yeah, mate.

[00:26:07] Stephen Fenech: Thin, light.

[00:26:08] Trevor Long: The greatest phone. I don’t know why you wouldn’t love it. And look, it’s hard because I’ve struggled. So let’s be clear, I communicate, 95% of my messaging is done in WhatsApp, which is not indexed by the phone because WhatsApp needs to enable that essentially.

[00:26:24] Stephen Fenech: And do you think they will?

[00:26:25] Trevor Long: I don’t.

[00:26:26] Stephen Fenech: That’s Meta’s product, would they do that?

[00:26:28] Trevor Long: I just don’t see it happening. Will they do it?

[00:26:31] Stephen Fenech: Does that require a deal done or something?

[00:26:33] Trevor Long: It just requires any app developer can install what’s called App Intents, which allows the phone to basically ingest—

[00:26:42] Stephen Fenech: Because to be clear, I understood it, Siri AI will work not only just with Apple’s apps but third-party apps if they’ve programmed themselves that way. And do you see them doing that? Why wouldn’t they?

[00:26:55] Trevor Long: I think a lot will, but I don’t think WhatsApp will. I don’t know, it’s just a vibe. So I am challenged a little bit in my ability to test and demonstrate this in that way. However, the Siri app lets you see things you’ve asked.

[00:27:16] Stephen Fenech: Right.

[00:27:16] Trevor Long: And so, for example, Paul Murray texted me months ago— I can tell you it was in January. He’s great mates with Dan Gurney from Triple M, who I’d helped out with a big problem he had with his computer. And I remember him texting me saying, oh, Dan and I want to take you to the John Farnham musical as a thank you. And I said, and it didn’t hear me well, I said, Paul Murray asked if I wanted to go to the John Farnham musical. When is that happening? And Siri has looked at all my context. Looks like you might be referring to a message from Paul Murray. He reached out to you about Whispering Jack, the John Farnham musical in November. Production is scheduled to run at the Sydney Theatre Company. So it’s given me a link to the Sydney Theatre Company and a link to the message. And I can just click on that message and bring up that message.

[00:28:17] Stephen Fenech: Wow, that’s great. So it gave you specific answers.

[00:28:19] Trevor Long: It has a little bit more real-world knowledge now. But one of the things, and this is one of the things I had an argument with someone on Threads about this week— they’re going, “Oh, I just tried Siri in airplane mode and it didn’t work at all.” So how on-device and private is it? Well, I’ll tell you this. The on-device is really just what it hears and how it ingests what you say. But pretty much everything else, it’s gone to the private cloud for. This is big.

[00:28:46] Stephen Fenech: Like, so even your messages and mail, even though they’re on your device?

[00:28:49] Trevor Long: No, it’s not sending them up. It’s sending up what it knows and having the cloud interpret the content.

[00:28:55] Stephen Fenech: So it’s not all on device, are we saying?

[00:28:57] Trevor Long: Not at all, no.

[00:28:58] Stephen Fenech: Is that just at this moment or forever?

[00:29:01] Trevor Long: I’m saying this is part of why Siri didn’t happen 2 years ago, because they realized that they needed far more compute to do the exhaustive personal context searches than they had on a device, right?

[00:29:14] Stephen Fenech: Right, okay.

[00:29:16] Trevor Long: But you gotta remember, anything it does in the cloud is private, it’s secure, it’s deleted straight afterwards.

[00:29:22] Stephen Fenech: Private cloud computing.

[00:29:22] Trevor Long: It is just an extension of your phone. But I gotta tell you, in just very simple terms, Siri is smarter.

[00:29:30] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, wow.

[00:29:30] Trevor Long: The world knowledge that Siri has is not Google’s. This Google deal— Apple has created their own knowledge.

[00:29:40] Stephen Fenech: ‘Cause I saw your interview with Woz about that. And so he answered that to say, well, yes, Google Gemini’s down here, but there’s a lot more Apple here.

[00:29:50] Trevor Long: Yeah, and one of the things is what they essentially bought from Google was a large language model and they own it and they’ve got it on your device and in the cloud. It’s not, you’re not using Google’s Gemini slivers.

[00:30:03] Stephen Fenech: It reminds me of like, you know how the TVs— you know how Kogan says, “Oh, we’ve got a Samsung panel.” Right? So yeah, it’s a Samsung panel, the same quality, but it’s what you do with it that’s the difference. Is that sort of a similar concept?

[00:30:19] Trevor Long: Yeah, I mean, in a sense it’s probably more akin to something like the processor. It’s more like saying, you know what, if you’re Kogan and you really wanted to do 4K OLEDs better, you might want to get LG’s A11 processor.

[00:30:31] Stephen Fenech: A bit of processing.

[00:30:32] Trevor Long: Right, okay. So it’s like saying we’re gonna take it, it has the knowledge of the picture learnings and all that stuff built in.

[00:30:39] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

[00:30:40] Trevor Long: So it’s got that kind of background. I don’t know that this is smart to try and top-down it, but what could we ask Siri that might give you an example of how it’s different or better— like just world knowledge, right? So Souths, what would we? I don’t know if it’s how current it is or how much it kind of knows. ‘Cause you gotta remember, normally Siri struggles with just any of that kind of information.

[00:31:04] Stephen Fenech: You don’t wanna risk asking questions about your mail or people.

[00:31:10] Trevor Long: Well, yeah, but like— it’s hard. How many South Sydney players are in the State of Origin squads this week? One, Sydney Rabbitohs player Cameron Murray named in the New South Wales Blues squad for Game 2 of the 2026 State of Origin series. This answer is from rabbitohs.com.au.

[00:32:38] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so it attributes where it got it from too.

[00:32:40] Trevor Long: I can slide down. I don’t know why there’s an ad there, but yeah, rabbitohs.com.au.

[00:32:44] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, well, okay, that’s pretty good. He is the only one.

[00:32:48] Trevor Long: Yeah, but like it did it. And what I’ve done is I’ve made sure that my mail is set up so it is able to read it all.

[00:33:01] Stephen Fenech: ‘Cause I use Mac Mail a lot and trying to find stuff on Mac Mail is sometimes really hard. It’s a shocker sometimes.

[00:33:09] Trevor Long: So just the basics of— when you swipe down, your Spotlight is now pretty much Siri. So it’s Siri that’s doing everything.

[00:33:24] Stephen Fenech: And the Siri app as well is separate? Is that on the home screen?

[00:33:27] Trevor Long: Yeah, it can be. It’s installed on the app. So everything looks vastly different. But I’m wondering whether you would think that searching for mails is faster. You are saying searching for messages is faster.

[00:33:42] Stephen Fenech: So manually, if I, say you said, oh look, I sent you an email about this and I’ll just type in Trevor Long and every message you sent me comes up, which is a lot. Then trying to narrow it down.

[00:33:54] Trevor Long: Name a movie that we’ve done a while ago.

[00:33:57] Stephen Fenech: Witness for the Prosecution.

[00:34:00] Trevor Long: What’s the name of the hotel I stayed at in London for the Amazon event?

[00:35:28] Stephen Fenech: So you were at the Ritz, weren’t you, by yourself? Is that what your rider was?

[00:35:32] Trevor Long: Yeah, that’s my rider. It’s gotta be good. See, and again— There you go. Thinking.

[00:35:38] Stephen Fenech: Did I get it right? Yep.

[00:35:40] Trevor Long: Wow.

[00:35:41] Stephen Fenech: You stayed at the Montcalm at the Brewery. Oh, that’s impressive. I can verify that’s true ’cause I stayed there as well.

[00:35:47] Trevor Long: And your stay there coincided with the Delivering the Future event in early June. Oh, that’s pretty good. And it’s given me two sources, photos and mail. Plus one, it says.

[00:36:00] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so it looked at your photos as well. Look at that.

[00:36:03] Trevor Long: Wow. So message from the Montcalm. Let’s look at the photo stuff. So this is an old-ish photo taken this January. So not taken on this specific phone, right? But we can now go to the AI tools. And the first thing we can do is expand it. This will be interesting because we’re at CES, right? So I can zoom out and it’s adding up to 25% of the picture can be expanded.

[00:38:40] Stephen Fenech: It’s gonna add our legs and stomachs and feet.

[00:38:42] Trevor Long: I did one where my foot was chopped off in one of my photos with Jaws and it just added the shoe because it looked at the other shoe and went, yeah, I’ve got that covered. No dramas at all.

[00:38:51] Stephen Fenech: Imagine if you’re wearing a different shoe.

[00:38:54] Trevor Long: The example Apple showed us in their sessions was of a baby who was covered up by something and then it uncovered the thing in there. And one of the parents in the session goes, well, that wouldn’t be real, he’s wearing two of the same socks. A kid would have chosen two. Well, there we go. Look, Stephen, look at this. Are you looking at this? Hang on, if I tick it, then great content for the audio.

[00:39:14] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so did it make that up or did it not?

[00:39:17] Trevor Long: It’s made that up.

[00:39:18] Stephen Fenech: Well, I don’t think I was wearing jeans that color that day, mate.

[00:39:21] Trevor Long: Yeah, exactly, that’s what I’m saying. I’ve never seen you wear jeans that color.

[00:39:24] Trevor Long: Look at that. So you’ve got to go to the YouTube, folks, if you want to see this. But if I— that’s the extended version. That’s the original.

[00:39:32] Stephen Fenech: Wow. So, but, was that ever— did you crop that?

[00:39:36] Trevor Long: No, this is AI completely generated.

[00:39:39] Stephen Fenech: So it didn’t know that.

[00:39:41] Trevor Long: And now I can reframe it. What you cannot do is extend, reframe, and then clean up. So you can’t clean up a reframed image. You have to clean up first, right? So that’s the only thing I’ve learned. So this is reframing. Okay, so I can just— right, and then go reframe and it’ll just basically fill the gaps.

[00:40:05] Stephen Fenech: Oh wow.

[00:40:09] Trevor Long: Right.

[00:40:09] Stephen Fenech: That’s pretty impressive. That was a very impressive announcement. One of the highlights.

[00:40:13] Trevor Long: It’s really weird though, because you think about how strong they are in photography and now here we are, you can generate real—

[00:40:21] Stephen Fenech: You can do it again.

[00:40:21] Trevor Long: You can generate images.

[00:40:22] Stephen Fenech: Take the photo again, basically, hey?

[00:40:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, so there it is there. There’s the reframed, there’s the extended and unframed.

[00:40:33] Stephen Fenech: Wow, we look pretty good, mate.

[00:40:35] Trevor Long: We go all right. Yeah.

[00:40:36] Stephen Fenech: Did it cut my gut out though?

[00:40:37] Trevor Long: Did it? See how— but you can, it’s very hard to see the reframed framing, but you just look— just— but if you just tap the screen, you’ll notice the reframing. It’s just ever so subtle what I did to it. Very soft.

[00:40:50] Stephen Fenech: Just invented all this other stuff around it.

[00:40:52] Trevor Long: Yes, yes.

[00:40:53] Stephen Fenech: Wow, that’s convincing.

[00:40:54] Trevor Long: It’s crazy good.

[00:40:55] Stephen Fenech: You know what, I can remember Samsung’s Galaxy AI does a really good job at filling in those gaps.

[00:41:01] Trevor Long: Oh, for sure.

[00:41:01] Stephen Fenech: And I’ve seen many side-by-side comparisons of Galaxy AI next to Apple Intelligence.

[00:41:08] Trevor Long: Oh yeah, the one where they cover your face?

[00:41:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, and it was, mate, it was chalk and cheese.

[00:41:11] Trevor Long: Apple was terrible. Yeah, no, well, hang on.

[00:41:13] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I think they’ve improved.

[00:41:14] Trevor Long: I’ve got an idea. Cover half your face with your— no, not like full, like from the nose down. No, do mouth. No, you can’t do a full half. Do it like on a quarter of your face like this. Okay, so take a photo. Oh, let’s go, folks. We’re doing this. We’re doing this, folks.

[00:41:31] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:41:31] Trevor Long: All right, so we’re gonna go into clean up. This could be anything. Tools, clean up, and it’s preparing. Don’t know if it’ll detect anything itself.

[00:41:45] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:41:45] Trevor Long: It’s thinking.

[00:41:46] Stephen Fenech: This is, pressure’s on here for Siri.

[00:41:48] Trevor Long: It still says preparing, so I don’t know if I can.

[00:41:55] Stephen Fenech: Did you say that this was compared to before a bit slow to begin with or?

[00:41:59] Trevor Long: Oh, I think that Siri generally is pretty slow. But I think that’s just, you know, wow.

[00:42:05] Stephen Fenech: So you’re going to get— erase that. So we’re seeing this live.

[00:42:09] Trevor Long: We’re seeing— we’re doing it live. This could be horrific. This could be really bad.

[00:42:14] Stephen Fenech: This could scar me.

[00:42:14] Trevor Long: Remembering this is a developer beta, folks. Developer beta. Okay. And we await the—

[00:42:21] Stephen Fenech: It’s taking its merry old time. Is that a progress bar at the bottom?

[00:42:24] Trevor Long: Yeah, it’s a progress bar. But like, this is happening in the private cloud compute, no doubt, right? This is not happening on device.

[00:42:34] Stephen Fenech: So this is up in the clouds.

[00:42:34] Trevor Long: Like, it’s standing by.

[00:42:35] Stephen Fenech: Hopefully it’s not raining.

[00:42:36] Trevor Long: Yeah, think about the data that’s being transmitted and the thinking that has to go on.

[00:42:41] Stephen Fenech: It’s probably looking at the other side of my face.

[00:42:43] Trevor Long: Of course.

[00:42:43] Stephen Fenech: Is that what it’s doing?

[00:42:44] Trevor Long: That’s what it should be doing. But that’s all Samsung’s doing.

[00:42:46] Stephen Fenech: It’s great if you got a scar on one side, you cover the scar up and then just get it recreated.

[00:42:51] Trevor Long: Oh shoot, did I press something?

[00:42:55] Stephen Fenech: Did you press enhance? My hand has never looked better.

[00:42:57] Trevor Long: Yeah, what happened to your hand?

[00:42:58] Stephen Fenech: Mate, I’ve got like a model head.

[00:42:59] Trevor Long: What just happened there?

[00:43:01] Stephen Fenech: I think you made— I think it’s just my head.

[00:43:02] Trevor Long: I think it just— you know what it did? It cleaned up the hair on your arm.

[00:43:08] Stephen Fenech: Did it really?

[00:43:09] Trevor Long: It took the hair off your arm.

[00:43:12] Stephen Fenech: Did it really?

[00:43:14] Trevor Long: Siri’s got you. That’s the greatest. Anyway, that’s pretty funny.

[00:43:22] Stephen Fenech: Wow, I’m going to be using that for every photo that I send now. Don’t need to shave down at all for any of my photos. Oh my God, I know what you’re thinking.

[00:43:39] Trevor Long: Every photo. Yeah, I’m going to be using the expand function.

[00:43:45] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. Oh my God. Oh, well, you know what, I’m telling you now, someone’s gonna try it. Some idiot out there is gonna think— oh, Siri is very generous. Oh my God.

[00:44:02] Trevor Long: So look, early days.

[00:44:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:44:04] Trevor Long: But there’s no question in my mind.

[00:44:06] Stephen Fenech: Oh man, it’s improved.

[00:44:07] Trevor Long: That they are delivering the things they promised 2 years ago.

[00:44:11] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:44:11] Trevor Long: And there’s nothing that is like— one of the things that I’ve noticed is still to come, or certainly not here yet, was— you remember how you can enhance the voice of Siri?

[00:44:24] Stephen Fenech: Make it more expressive and stuff like that?

[00:44:26] Trevor Long: That’s the exact term. It’s just grayed out.

[00:44:29] Stephen Fenech: Right, so still not ready yet?

[00:44:30] Trevor Long: Still not ready.

[00:44:32] Stephen Fenech: Okay.

[00:44:32] Trevor Long: So I don’t know what’s happening. I asked a question of some of the Apple PR people about the expressive Siri voice and when that was coming. I can’t quite remember the answer. What was the message that David Tapp sent me earlier about electric cars? Actually, can you find that? Let’s not use names on screen, but Apple PR responded to your question, letting you know that while users have access to new Siri voices through the developer, the ability to customize these will be coming soon.

[00:45:11] Stephen Fenech: Okay, I see who that was from.

[00:45:13] Trevor Long: Okay. And again, there’s a link. They’ve surfaced the— it’s an iMessage. And there’s a link. When I click on it, it takes me to that message.

[00:45:29] Stephen Fenech: Okay, so general use performance hasn’t been impacted?

[00:45:33] Trevor Long: No. I mean, no difference. I described this to you earlier, but I described this as iOS 26.9. Yeah, like it’s all working beautifully.

[00:45:44] Stephen Fenech: Everything’s fine on the phone.

[00:45:46] Trevor Long: It’s a massive update, isn’t it?

[00:45:47] Stephen Fenech: Which is why they kept it for iOS and iPhone 11 is just getting iOS 27.

[00:45:50] Trevor Long: Yeah, but you’ve got to remember that iPhone 11 is just getting iOS 27.

[00:45:55] Stephen Fenech: They’re not getting Apple Intelligence Siri.

[00:45:56] Trevor Long: Anything to do with Siri.

[00:45:57] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, true.

[00:45:58] Trevor Long: So their Siri is still going to be dumb, just to be clear.

[00:46:01] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:46:02] Trevor Long: But put it this way, I’m excited for what we’re seeing.

[00:46:06] Stephen Fenech: That’s good.

[00:46:06] Trevor Long: And I can imagine a fair bit of work going on to, you know, ramp up the cloud, make sure the power’s there, the performance is there, to make sure that it is performative, it’s actually working, because that’s what it says on the box.

[00:46:20] Stephen Fenech: Is that right?

[00:46:21] Trevor Long: Exactly.

[00:46:22] Stephen Fenech: So your first impressions are very positive?

[00:46:24] Trevor Long: Very positive.

[00:46:24] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, nice.

[00:46:25] Trevor Long: It’s just really hard to demo. And look, you’ll see people doing it on TikTok and da da da. Yeah, they’re all trial and error of trying to find the thing that they can demonstrate to you.

[00:46:33] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, because as I said, anyone could get a developer account, can’t they?

[00:46:38] Trevor Long: Oh yeah.

[00:46:38] Stephen Fenech: You’ve got to sign up and—

[00:46:39] Trevor Long: You’ve got to pay $100 or something. But yeah. And I think that I’ll go early and say it’s the best on-device AI assistant we’ve seen.

[00:46:54] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[00:46:54] Trevor Long: No question.

[00:46:55] Stephen Fenech: But were you, when you were on Galaxy, on a Samsung, were you as engaged in using it in that way?

[00:47:03] Trevor Long: No, I was trying to use Gemini for all the things they demonstrated and often it failed.

[00:47:06] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, okay.

[00:47:07] Trevor Long: Remember the idea— and see, a lot of the Galaxy AI Gemini stuff was, it’s so smart that it can take multiple commands across multiple apps. So for example, find the address of my next meeting and navigate there.

[00:47:20] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:47:20] Trevor Long: Okay, great. That’s just going, what’s the address in the calendar and using an app to navigate. Siri can now do that too.

[00:47:27] Stephen Fenech: Right.

[00:47:28] Trevor Long: But it’s this personal context that will be the differentiator. And it’s frankly incumbent on Samsung to come up with a similar thing within Knox.

[00:47:38] Stephen Fenech: Well, I think what we’re gonna see— at the Fold events, that’s when they go up to the next One UI. So One UI will be 9, and then the S event is the 9.5. That’s how they progress. So this is a whole new iteration. So it’s like Apple 27, they’re going to go up to 9. It’d be interesting to see the improvement. I’d say on the back of WWDC and Samsung, okay, well, Apple are catching up now, we better lift our game. There’ll be something there.

[00:48:12] Trevor Long: It’s interesting about catching up because I just think that what people will experience when their first few requests— one of the things also is it took me I think 4 days for my phone to fully index. So in the settings it will say still indexing.

[00:48:25] Stephen Fenech: Really?

[00:48:25] Trevor Long: And I’ve got a lot of photos.

[00:48:26] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, of course.

[00:48:27] Trevor Long: I got a lot of messages. Some people it took a lot less. But if you’re living your life in a phone, it will take a while to index. And a mate of mine asked, does it stay in your iCloud so when you change phones? No. You put a new phone in, it’s gotta re-index again.

[00:48:45] Stephen Fenech: Okay, I wrote a little yarn on Tech Guide and mentioned it on the Tech Guide podcast— the 10 features that didn’t make the— there might be things for you to try. Have you noticed on your messages now you can handwrite a message or draw a picture? Instead of sending a message, you can send a written note. You might message your wife and say, “I love you,” in a little handwritten note.

[00:49:08] Trevor Long: So hang on, is it so that I can—

[00:49:10] Stephen Fenech: You can draw your messages. And that feature, normally available only in Notes, is now a part of Messages.

[00:49:16] Trevor Long: How do I do that?

[00:49:18] Stephen Fenech: I don’t know, mate. I don’t have it in my hand.

[00:49:21] Trevor Long: Text, Genmoji, drawing. There you go. Oh, you don’t have an iPhone? No, I’m not gonna— I’ve done it.

[00:49:37] Stephen Fenech: Oh, here we go. And Trevor Long image. Can I— I can’t show that. It did come through though.

[00:49:47] Trevor Long: It did come through. Looks even funnier when I said—

[00:49:51] Stephen Fenech: Well, no, no, no, top down, mate. I want to hang on to that one, mate. That’d be good.

[00:49:59] Trevor Long: Anyway, next.

[00:50:00] Stephen Fenech: What’s the next feature? FaceTime dual cameras.

[00:50:04] Trevor Long: Oh yes, front and back cameras.

[00:50:05] Stephen Fenech: Front and back cameras, okay.

[00:50:06] Trevor Long: FaceTime Amanda.

[00:50:08] Stephen Fenech: Did they tell you about dual phone numbers? Having two phones with the same number?

[00:50:13] Trevor Long: Yes, but it will be carrier dependent. And if the Australians won’t do RCS, how are they gonna do that?

[00:50:20] Stephen Fenech: Right. And I think we may have discussed this one— alarm volume. The alarm’s got its own volume. So rather than it being lumped in with everything else.

[00:50:29] Trevor Long: I use alarms every day and I don’t see that. When setting an alarm.

[00:50:34] Stephen Fenech: Okay. In the settings though, it should be there. It should be sound settings.

[00:50:39] Trevor Long: Oh, right, okay.

[00:50:41] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. But anyway, these are some of the things that I spoke about on the Tech Guide podcast if you wanna hear it there. There’s a couple of watch features too, but you haven’t got watchOS 27 yet, have you?

[00:50:53] Trevor Long: You know what, it won’t update. I just can’t get it to update.

[00:50:56] Stephen Fenech: What about CarPlay? I don’t know if you tried this and whether it’s working. CarPlay video playback. Some apps— if you’ve got Netflix on your phone, and if you’re parked, stationary—

[00:51:06] Trevor Long: The reason I didn’t try it, because it’s so new, which app would have— I was gonna try with Apple TV because I assume if anyone’s got it, that might have it.

[00:51:14] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we haven’t tried it. Okay, anyway, just some food for thought. I think new things to do with your updated iOS there.

[00:51:21] Trevor Long: I can’t wait to mess around with it. It’s going to be great. Two Blokes Talking Tech. This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Stephen Fenech.

[00:51:30] Stephen Fenech: So much for having things to talk about. We have plenty to talk about.

[00:51:36] Trevor Long: Anyway, 32 days until we fly again, so.

[00:51:38] Stephen Fenech: 32 days.

[00:51:38] Trevor Long: 32 days, but that event hasn’t even been announced yet.

[00:51:39] Stephen Fenech: Hello, you have to guess what we’re talking about.

[00:51:42] Trevor Long: I just realized that.

[00:51:44] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know. Isn’t that wild? But we haven’t broken any embargo.

[00:51:47] Trevor Long: You haven’t said who it is. No, no, not at all. I’ve got a flight booked. I’ve got lots of flights booked.

[00:51:58] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so then you’re good. Your September is, we’re gonna be getting going for that too, hey? Gotta get all the movies in there. Yeah, well there’s a schedule.

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[00:53:56] Trevor Long: Alrighty, Prime Day has been announced.

[00:54:03] Stephen Fenech: Isn’t it funny how it’s a secret? Well, I think they’ve got to get everyone on board first and say, right, we can announce it now.

[00:54:09] Trevor Long: Someone asked me about it and I went— and they go, oh, they said we should do this thing. I’m thinking about this date and I went, look, I really can’t say anything, but I don’t think you’re gonna need to do it that date. I think it’s not gonna be then. So yeah, anyway, July the 7th is the beginning of Prime Day, but Prime Day lasts multiple days, right?

[00:54:34] Stephen Fenech: Prime Day lasts for 7 days. It’s a 7-day day. So crazy.

[00:54:39] Trevor Long: Figure that out. But good news, the Two Blokes are gonna record a special episode of Two Blokes Talking Tech out at the Kemps Creek fulfillment center, the robotic fulfillment center for Amazon. So we’re gonna record that and release it on the Sunday before Prime Day. It’s gonna be pretty cool ’cause I’ve been out there a few times, you’ve been to different fulfillment centers in the world and it’s a fascinating thing. So we’re gonna unpack Prime Day, we’ll work out what it is. We’re not gonna talk about deals on that day ’cause it’s more about learning about Amazon and Prime Day.

[00:55:06] Stephen Fenech: We’re gonna have guests as well.

[00:55:08] Trevor Long: Yes.

[00:55:09] Stephen Fenech: Both from Amazon and perhaps—

[00:55:10] Trevor Long: People from Amazon, hopefully someone that’s making a living on Amazon. Which would be pretty cool.

[00:55:15] Stephen Fenech: But interestingly, they released some stats about Aussies doing, you know, cost of living pressures and how they’re waiting for these sales periods to spend their money. So they’re not spending less, they’re just waiting to get better value.

[00:55:29] Trevor Long: Yeah, we’re smarter about when we spend.

[00:55:31] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. And this is ideal for this. That’s why I think they kept it a secret ’cause they go, “Righto, is everyone ready for this?” ‘Cause you gotta remember there’s brands and businesses that all have to be ready for this particular date.

[00:55:43] Trevor Long: That’s right, yeah. And it coincides of course with the time of year when sales are happening as well because we’ve got end of financial year coming up before that.

[00:55:52] Stephen Fenech: That’s true.

[00:55:53] Trevor Long: So I feel like there’s a little bit of desperation in the retail market to drive sales. I think the retailers are doing pretty good deals on TVs right now because they’re trying to drive that. And then when you come to Prime Day, you’re gonna see pretty extensive discounts and that’s across every category. And some companies go so hard on it. You see like 50, 60% discounts on things.

[00:56:17] Stephen Fenech: And we’re talking pretty major brands. Obviously tech is massive on it. Home and kitchen, homewares, toys are massive too. Lego, hopefully some deals there. But there’s major brands involved. We’re talking like in the tech world, like Bose and Samsung and all that. They get involved at that level too. ‘Cause a lot of them use Amazon as another channel, another sales channel. And so you’ve also got to remember, you’ve got to be a Prime member to be able to enjoy these discounts. Costs you, what is it, $10 a month and you get free delivery. You get Amazon Music, Amazon Gaming, Amazon Reading. It’s great value. You get a lot for your money.

[00:57:04] Trevor Long: I was looking at the, ’cause I’ve been talking about Alexa Plus this week on the radio, ’cause I skipped radio last week and it was a good story that it’s coming to Australia, right? And you look at it, the trial period when it starts is like $20 a month to have it. And then it’s free for Prime members, which is only like $10 a month.

[00:57:19] Stephen Fenech: Hello!

[00:57:19] Trevor Long: So think about it, later this year as an Amazon Prime member, you’re going to get like same day, sub-same day, next day deliveries.

[00:57:27] Stephen Fenech: I had that the other day. I ordered something in the morning and I got it by that evening.

[00:57:31] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah. So you get that free. You get Amazon Music, you get Amazon Prime TV, the Alexa Plus.

[00:57:38] Stephen Fenech: Amazon Reading too. And Amazon Gaming as well. Yeah, it’s pretty good.

[00:57:47] Trevor Long: It’s a lot.

[00:57:47] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[00:57:48] Trevor Long: It’s a lot for what it is.

[00:57:49] Stephen Fenech: And we said it’s one of the best value services to be subscribed to.

[00:57:54] Trevor Long: Yeah, definitely. And it’s a pretty good storefront as well for just renting and buying movies. I was at a hotel last night watching a Samsung TV and I wanted to watch Top Gun. It wasn’t my account. And I thought I’ll try it. And there was two credit cards linked to it. And so I just went, yep, buy that.

[00:58:10] Stephen Fenech: That would have been embarrassing.

[00:58:14] Trevor Long: I texted the person whose credit card it was and said, just so you know, I just spent $10 on a movie.

[00:58:19] Stephen Fenech: What was the movie called?

[00:58:22] Trevor Long: It was called Top Gun: Maverick, you rude, filthy individual. Imagine the person getting their bill thinking, oh my God, what are you telling me? I just realized I bought stuff in Xbox as well. I was playing Xbox and they had Forza installed. And I played a bit of Forza, and Assassin’s Creed, I think it was, was on the screen. That’s the first I knew that was there. But when I went into Forza, the number plate on the car was Sharky.

[00:58:59] Stephen Fenech: Heya! It might’ve been me.

[00:59:01] Trevor Long: Might’ve been me. Well, you weren’t there.

[00:59:05] Stephen Fenech: By the way, I’ve tried to get that plate. It’s already taken.

[00:59:09] Trevor Long: Really?

[00:59:09] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. I might check again. They might’ve given it up. I’d get that tomorrow if it was available.

[00:59:15] Trevor Long: Sharky. That’s my nickname. Anyway, so then I started playing Far Cry 5.

[00:59:19] Stephen Fenech: Like, was that the one we used to play together?

[00:59:21] Trevor Long: Yes. And mate, I nearly stayed the night, but I wanted a different gun. So I just went to a gun shop and I went, I needed gold. I just spent $30 on their credit card. Shout out to Marissa, your credit card.

[00:59:37] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, good.

[00:59:36] Trevor Long: $29.99.

[00:59:37] Stephen Fenech: And just ignore those other titles he rented late at night.

[00:59:41] Trevor Long: Nothing of the sort. Yeah, good on you. Nothing of the sort.

[00:59:43] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, wow. We should, we haven’t played online for much. I know when we play Call of Duty, I kick your ass on there, but you don’t like to play.

[00:59:48] Trevor Long: Yes, I don’t like my ass kicked.

[00:59:49] Stephen Fenech: You don’t like that. The new Call of Duty looks really good.

[00:59:52] Trevor Long: Really?

[00:59:52] Stephen Fenech: I think it’s Modern Warfare 5 or something, 4, whatever it is we’re up to. You sound very blasé about it. They did a reveal, this was a couple weeks ago now, but mate, it looks amazing. Call of Duty’s still my jam. I love that.

[01:00:07] Trevor Long: Mate, I realize that, see, I played all the Far Cry 6 and loved it, but Far Cry 5 is my go. Just a great world.

[01:00:12] Stephen Fenech: So that’s just a massive world. I remember we played hours on that, eh?

[01:00:15] Trevor Long: Just walking around in this place, just shooting people.

[01:00:17] Stephen Fenech: Well, you know what, we can play co-op on Call of Duty if you want to. You can be on my team.

[01:00:23] Trevor Long: You’d be embarrassed by me.

[01:00:24] Stephen Fenech: No, just give me my sniper.

[01:00:26] Trevor Long: You’re the Overwatch, mate.

[01:00:28] Stephen Fenech: You’re Overwatch. There’s a lot of missions we could do that on.

[01:00:31] Trevor Long: Tell me where to go, mate, we’re on. Place me and I’m there. I’m very good on a sniper.

[01:00:36] Stephen Fenech: That’s good.

[01:00:36] Trevor Long: Very good.

[01:00:37] Stephen Fenech: You’re a good sniper, I heard that. Yeah, I heard that about you.

[01:00:40] Trevor Long: Yes, very good. Anyway, Prime Day, uh, July 7th. I don’t know how we got on the other stuff, but anyway, there it is. Prime Day coming up.

[01:00:47] Stephen Fenech: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech. So are we talking about our growing pile of review products?

[01:00:58] Trevor Long: It’s problematic.

[01:00:59] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, we’ve got a lot of products that we’ve gotta review.

[01:01:01] Trevor Long: I had a bloke, I got these messages while I was away saying delivery or someone, some service center’s coming. And I’m like, I didn’t order any service. And then it happened again on the 4th of the 4th.

[01:01:12] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know what that is for.

[01:01:13] Trevor Long: And I’m like, what is it? And so I looked it up and it’s like Sony service. Oh, I know what it is.

[01:01:17] Stephen Fenech: I rang as well. You’re going, what? I don’t need anything.

[01:01:20] Trevor Long: Anyway, so they came. So I’m recording like podcasts, the EFTM podcast on Tuesday. And they were like, we’re gonna be here in 40 minutes. I’m like, mate, it’s a shocking time for me to be honest. Anyway, they come, like I had an interview at 11 and I finished another thing at 10:55. They came at that moment. I went, you’ve come at the perfect window. Anyway, these two blokes carry this TV downstairs and one of them goes, “Kogan, eh?” ‘Cause I’ve got a couple of Kogan TVs down there and a bunch of other Kogan stuff for a Today Show segment next weekend. I’m thinking, mate, just calm down.

[01:01:55] Stephen Fenech: Don’t judge me, don’t judge me, mate.

[01:01:57] Trevor Long: Mate, I’m signing the paperwork from the other dude and then he goes, “Oh, he gave access.” I’m like, mate, get out. He’s scoping the joint out. Anyway, so I’ve got a couple of TVs down there. I’ve got a robot vacuum running around at home now, which I need to swap out because there’s always another one of those coming.

[01:02:18] Stephen Fenech: Yeah.

[01:02:18] Trevor Long: Man.

[01:02:19] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I’ve got a few headphones. I’ve got the new Momentum Sennheiser. I’ve got a brand called FoKus with a K. They sent me their headphones, like high-end audiophile headphones. They look pretty cool. I’ve got all the Bose smart speakers, the new Bose soundbar, the subwoofer, smart speaker that’s coming. I’ve got the ASUS laptops, the Duo and the VivoBook as well. HP’s laptop that we saw at the hotel.

[01:02:55] Trevor Long: Yes.

[01:02:57] Trevor Long: I’ve still got a Sonos speaker to do.

[01:03:00] Stephen Fenech: Yep.

[01:03:00] Trevor Long: Honestly, here’s the one thing I’ve got.

[01:03:02] Stephen Fenech: My GoPro mission, I want to edit my footage of the GoPro mission.

[01:03:07] Trevor Long: Here’s what I’ll do. I’ll give you an insight into my GoPro mission. By the way, YouTube is asking for me to verify identity every single time I open up YouTube.

[01:03:18] Stephen Fenech: I know, you’re dodgy.

[01:03:19] Trevor Long: What’s wrong? And honestly, it’s really starting to peeve me off. I’m starting to get really sick of it.

[01:03:24] Stephen Fenech: Did you type in, don’t you know who I am?

[01:03:25] Trevor Long: No, I’m just like, mate, I’m using the same computer on the same Wi-Fi network. Can we just calm down?

[01:03:30] Stephen Fenech: Please, yeah, I know.

[01:03:30] Trevor Long: It’s so annoying. And now it won’t even work. Anyway, so I uploaded some 8K footage and it hasn’t processed. And I read a lot online, it takes days.

[01:03:41] Stephen Fenech: So 8K shot on the GoPro?

[01:03:43] Trevor Long: Yeah, it takes days to process apparently, right? So I’m like in chat going, it’s been 5 days and it doesn’t even say it’s working. But they came back to me and said, no, it’s still in the queue. I’m like, Jesus Christ. ‘Cause that was just, I just did it as a test to see that it would work.

[01:03:57] Stephen Fenech: Geez.

[01:03:58] Trevor Long: Because I’ve got another video I wanna clip together of 8K footage just to use as a demo. But like the GoPro Mission One is just elevated. Do you know what I mean? It’s not—

[01:04:12] Stephen Fenech: I had it in London with me.

[01:04:13] Trevor Long: Something I’ve always wanted to do and I finally did it ’cause I went from London to America. So a daytime flight, I just held the camera on the window and held it there. And then for how long? Well, I’ve got 20 minutes of 8K looking out the window over Iceland. It’s pretty like, there’s a bit of movement in my hand, whatever. But I actually clipped it and put it on a USB stick to see, ’cause this is an 8K TV here in the office, right? And I thought to myself, I need to see that it works firstly. Taking off from Heathrow. And so it’s in 8K on an 8K TV. And you know what?

[01:05:02] Stephen Fenech: Wow.

[01:05:02] Trevor Long: It is actually— I’ll show you when we get off here. ‘Cause I’d love your opinion on it ’cause you’ve got a great eye for these things. And so I wanted to put something on YouTube to prove that, but mate, it’s bloody hard to do.

[01:05:16] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, wow.

[01:05:17] Trevor Long: It’s hard to put 8K footage on bloody YouTube.

[01:05:20] Stephen Fenech: It’s meant to be, I suppose, enjoyed on an 8K TV device.

[01:05:23] Trevor Long: How many 8K devices are there?

[01:05:25] Stephen Fenech: Well, that’s the other problem is that uploading to— like, if you looked at it on your MacBook Pro, that’s not an 8K screen.

[01:05:31] Trevor Long: Not an 8K screen. Yeah. And I did actually do Instagram. And I found the limit of the MacBook Neo finally.

[01:05:40] Stephen Fenech: Oh, you did? Yeah, you were editing the 8K there.

[01:05:44] Trevor Long: Like I could drop it into the timeline, but pressing play was like a 10-minute delay.

[01:05:50] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, okay.

[01:05:50] Trevor Long: I’m okay with that. That’s because then when I brought on the Mac Studio, it was like editing HD footage. No dramas at all.

[01:05:57] Stephen Fenech: Well, you’d expect that. A Mac Studio is a lot more powerful than me.

[01:06:00] Trevor Long: But like the GoPro Mission One is like— it’s just elevated. Do you know what I mean?

[01:06:04] Stephen Fenech: It’s a GoPro on steroids.

[01:06:06] Trevor Long: Yes.

[01:06:07] Stephen Fenech: It’s basically, yeah, slightly bigger.

[01:06:09] Trevor Long: Yeah. My biggest challenge is I need to get together 2 rings, 2 bands, and 2 watches for a Today Show segment so that I can review.

[01:06:25] Stephen Fenech: We get the Oura Ring 5. That’s the Oura Ring 5 right here.

[01:06:28] Trevor Long: I’m just gonna— I’ll do the Whoop, and then an Apple Watch and a Samsung watch. ‘Cause I’ve got a— like do it for the money.

[01:06:44] Stephen Fenech: Is that the one where you’re gonna film me getting out of bed and all that?

[01:06:46] Trevor Long: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:06:46] Stephen Fenech: You’re gonna love that. Amanda’s gonna love that.

[01:06:48] Trevor Long: That hotel stay this week was meant to be where I was gonna film me getting out of bed.

[01:06:50] Stephen Fenech: Oh, really?

[01:06:51] Trevor Long: And then I went, I haven’t got the devices yet, so.

[01:06:55] Stephen Fenech: So you’re gonna book a hotel just for that film, mate, or?

[01:06:57] Trevor Long: I probably will. Just to appease Amanda. ‘Cause I don’t need that drama in my life. That’s funny. I don’t need that drama.

[01:07:05] Stephen Fenech: You wanna come to my place to do it?

[01:07:06] Trevor Long: No thanks, mate. I don’t wanna jump into one of your beds.

[01:07:08] Stephen Fenech: I’ve got 3 other beds, mate, 3 other bedrooms, okay? And you’re more than welcome. It’s very nicely furnished and you’ll love it.

[01:07:15] Trevor Long: It’s a lot. There might have to be, I once did a Reviewapalooza. It was like, you know what, this week is just gonna be bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Just pump out these reviews.

[01:07:22] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, that’s what I realize I need to do— several per week to catch up.

[01:07:27] Trevor Long: Yeah.

[01:07:28] Stephen Fenech: Yeah. And yeah, I’m hoping maybe, wouldn’t it be lovely to delegate some of that to other people?

[01:07:34] Trevor Long: Well, I delegate a lot of stuff, but not the stuff that comes here.

[01:07:39] Stephen Fenech: You know.

[01:07:40] Trevor Long: Yep.

[01:07:40] Stephen Fenech: Anyway, we’ll work it out.

[01:07:42] Trevor Long: We’ll work it out. Anyway, so what Stephen’s saying is there’s a lot of great stuff to come on techguide.com.au and eftm.com. Absolutely, coming your way. And we look forward to sharing that with you over the weeks and months ahead.

[01:07:51] Stephen Fenech: We get it ahead of everyone else.

[01:07:52] Trevor Long: Isn’t it also interesting that I just said, oh, we’re flying in 32 days.

[01:07:57] Stephen Fenech: 32 days.

[01:07:57] Trevor Long: 32 days, but that event hasn’t even been announced yet.

[01:07:59] Stephen Fenech: Hello, you have to guess what we’re talking about.

[01:08:02] Trevor Long: I just realized that.

[01:08:04] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, I know. Isn’t that wild? But we haven’t broken any embargo.

[01:08:07] Trevor Long: You haven’t said who it is. No, no, not at all. I’ve got a flight booked. I’ve got lots of flights booked.

[01:08:16] Stephen Fenech: Oh, so then you’re good. That’s right. Your September is, we’re gonna be getting going for that too, hey? Gotta get all the movies in there. Yeah, well there’s a schedule.

[01:08:23] Trevor Long: I sent it to you.

[01:08:24] Stephen Fenech: Okay. And then I’ve gotta organize your replacement.

[01:08:27] Trevor Long: You do need Val for 4 weeks at least, yeah.

[01:08:29] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, all right, I’ll remind him. I did mention it once, but I better remember. And remind me, I haven’t done my response to influence. Oh, it’s taking time. Yeah, I did have other things on my mind at this point. He rang me when I was driving to Newcastle. I said, “Mate, I’ll stop you right there. My daughter’s in labor, I’m going up there to see her.” And he goes, “Oh, sorry, mate, can’t see you.” Fair enough. And everyone jumped off the phone real quick. I’m gonna use that more often.

[01:08:55] Trevor Long: I’m just heading to my school recital. I don’t even know what a recital is, but God love it.

[01:09:02] Stephen Fenech: Yeah, kids are great. I’ll try to do that today. Yeah.

[01:09:04] Trevor Long: All right, mate. See you next week.

[01:09:06] Stephen Fenech: It’s been a pleasure. It has. It really has. Genuinely. This week it has. Other times been a bit of a drag, but today was a pleasure.

[01:09:14] Trevor Long: See you, mate. This is Two Blokes Talking Tech.