The Two Blokes Talking Tech podcast – Episode # 738 – Smart Glasses – the gadget of the year? Price rises coming in tech

Two Blokes Talking Tech — Episode #738
Date: 25 June 2026
Hosts: Trevor Long & Stephen Fenech

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[00:00:00] Trevor: It has been a troubling 20 minutes and the last 30 seconds has been pretty wild too.

[00:00:04] Stephen: Wow, what’s happening? You’re gonna leave that in, are ya?

[00:00:06] Trevor: No, I’m not. No. Okay. I’m just saying what happened just before I hit record has to be edited out.

[00:00:12] Stephen: I swore in sympathy for your plight.

[00:00:14] Trevor: No, thank you, mate. I appreciate it.

[00:00:16] Stephen: I appreciate it. I wouldn’t have dropped the F-bomb if it wasn’t for you being so frustrated over there.

[00:00:22] Voice Over: I’m a stay shy.

[00:00:22] Stephen: Trevor’s a really cool, calm sort of person.

[00:00:24] Trevor: So I learnt to meditate or something.

[00:00:26] Stephen: I think so, yeah.

[00:00:27] Trevor: I don’t have the time to meditate. It sounds like something that’s gonna take a lot of time.

[00:00:30] Stephen: Trev is like a Model S, he goes 0 to 100 in a couple of seconds.

[00:00:33] Trevor: Wow. On social media.

[00:00:35] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:00:36] Trevor: And I’ve done some replying lately.

[00:00:38] Stephen: When things don’t go your way, yeah, they’re a bit, I thought I was bad. I would look, I thought I’m pretty, I’m not a clicker, but you’re a clicker.

[00:00:49] Trevor: What do you mean?

[00:00:49] Stephen: Yeah, so you just go, you can, You can go from zero to anger in a lot. Oh yeah, I learned that from the best. Solid. Yeah, some of the best in the business. I understand, okay, right.

[00:01:01] Trevor: Can we, I mean, in theory this should be private show conversation, but just in terms of fashion, we’ve got this blue here, we’ve got this blue here. Can you put your hand right here for me? What’s doing here? What is this? You’ve gone mad buying watches.

[00:01:20] Stephen: Little watch.

[00:01:21] Trevor: This is unbelievable.

[00:01:23] Stephen: Matching my shirt. Yeah. What’s happened to you? I don’t know.

[00:01:27] Trevor: I’ve got— I’m wearing an Apple Watch and you’re—

[00:01:29] Stephen: I’m wearing a ring, the Oura Ring 5. And so that’s getting all my metrics. And I think a smartwatch, I don’t know, I just like to change. Yeah, just to change. Yeah.

[00:01:44] Trevor: I love that dial. That’s a beautiful dial. Yeah.

[00:01:48] Stephen: What, my dial? Thanks, mate. But how about the watch?

[00:01:50] Trevor: Look at this. Stephen’s doing. He’s— this is his ‘I’m a grandfather’ present, is it?

[00:01:55] Stephen: No, it’s not actually.

[00:01:56] Trevor: And it’s, uh, it’s not a Rolex or anything, but you know, mate, this is the thing.

[00:02:02] Stephen: I don’t know what that is. There might be a couple of fakes in my— I don’t—

[00:02:05] Trevor: yeah, I mean, I’ll, I’ll be—

[00:02:08] Stephen: can I be Alexander Liege?

[00:02:09] Trevor: Can I be a watch narc?

[00:02:10] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s the—

[00:02:12] Trevor: it’s a, it’s a tinny, tinny, cheapest band, tinny band.

[00:02:15] Stephen: But it’s not an expensive watch.

[00:02:16] Trevor: No, that’s— I’m sorry.

[00:02:17] Stephen: Okay, um, Not an expensive watch.

[00:02:19] Trevor: $350?

[00:02:20] Stephen: Less.

[00:02:21] Trevor: Yeah, see that? Yeah. So I love it for that because look at that, that’s a face.

[00:02:25] Stephen: It’s really nice. Yeah. And it was a two for one. So the other one I’ve got has got like a rose gold, sort of light rose gold appearance to it.

[00:02:32] Trevor: Mate, that’s gorgeous. Big fan.

[00:02:34] Stephen: I’ll be rolling them out, including my fake Rolexes too.

[00:02:37] Trevor: Yeah, I know. I can’t do that. I can’t buy a fake something.

[00:02:40] Stephen: Well, these were sort of an offer made, you know?

[00:02:44] Trevor: You’ve been suckered by the Instagram advertising algorithm, haven’t you?

[00:02:47] Stephen: It’s just bashed me up, yeah. Bashed me up and spat me out.

[00:02:52] Trevor: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:53] Stephen: Yeah, I had to buy a bigger watch holder. Yeah. You know, those little things.

[00:02:58] Trevor: What do you call them? Look at those down there.

[00:03:00] Stephen: Yeah, I had to buy a big one of those things.

[00:03:03] Trevor: That’s a Howard Stewart type person.

[00:03:04] Stephen: You know what, I’m thinking it’s one less screen I gotta look at.

[00:03:06] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:03:07] Stephen: That’s how I’m looking at it now. It’s one less screen. And my phone, I turn on my notifications on it now. I never used to do that when I had a watch.

[00:03:17] Trevor: Oh, right.

[00:03:18] Stephen: Now, yeah. In fact, it was one time sort of getting back into the analog watches and I was taking my mom to the airport. She went to Melbourne for a wedding and I was driving along, but I didn’t have, I swapped phones that morning, I think back to a Samsung and I didn’t have any notifications on. So that was the morning that Hayley’s water broke and she’s ringing me 7 times. I’m sort of checking my mum in at the airport and I got back in the car and obviously that came through and she goes, “Why aren’t you answering your phone?” I went, “Oh, I’m sorry.” Was it Joe or Hayley? It was Joe.

[00:03:53] Trevor: All right.

[00:03:54] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:03:54] Trevor: And mate, you knew what the call, when you saw 7 missed calls, you knew what was happening.

[00:03:58] Stephen: But I didn’t, I never, ’cause I had it in my back pocket. No, but when you opened your phone and went, “Oh my God.” Yeah, but then she said, “Why, how come you haven’t rung?” It’s not like me to not answer her call, right?

[00:04:05] Trevor: It’s interesting because I love your theory of not having notifications on and I was driving yesterday and I realized for some reason I was not getting WhatsApp notifications on carplay.

[00:04:16] Stephen: I have WhatsApp. The notification I have on is messages, WhatsApp, Messenger, and phone calls. They’re the only notifications.

[00:04:22] Trevor: I was driving along and I wasn’t getting them. And I went, like, ’cause I think I stopped and saw them and then went, “Oh, I’ll drive on.” And I went, “You know what? What does it matter?” Like, I don’t have a child who’s about to give birth. In that situation, mate, you gotta be on the go.

[00:04:38] Stephen: Lesson learned.

[00:04:39] Trevor: But yeah, yeah, yeah. But in general life, it’s like, you know what? If I don’t, I don’t need to reply right now. Relax.

[00:04:46] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:04:47] Trevor: Like, I feel like that’s our biggest—

[00:04:48] Stephen: I’m gonna say I’m a very good replier.

[00:04:51] Trevor: Oh no, same, mate.

[00:04:52] Stephen: I’m fast. I’m fast replying.

[00:04:54] Trevor: I do not like having an unread message.

[00:04:56] Stephen: Me too.

[00:04:56] Trevor: To the point where I’ll often— so, you know, me, I go to bed at, you know, 7:30.

[00:04:59] Stephen: I’ve sent you a message at 7:05 and you’ve already been in bed for half an hour.

[00:05:03] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:05:04] Stephen: Is that right?

[00:05:04] Trevor: So I will get messages at 7, 8, 9 at night, which respectably, that’s fine. Don’t worry, text me then, ’cause my phone’s on silent. But when I wake up, I look and I go, well, there’s a message and I’ll read it and I’ll go, I won’t reply. So what I do is I mark it as unread ’cause that’s a trigger for me. Like if there’s a one unread message, I’m the same. So I don’t wanna not go back to it. So I wanna make sure that like, I actually just realized I just read a message and haven’t replied. And so I’m gonna mark it as unread so that I remember later to reply because I just— mate, if you see those people that have got like— Paul Murray is one of the worst. He has like 200, 500 unread.

[00:05:42] Stephen: Yeah, I can’t do that. I would have been going to sleep like that. Yeah, I know. I have to have them. What has happened? My inbox, my email, I can leave this because there’s a lot of garbage in there that I don’t bother. Yeah, that’s— I just deleted it straight away. But yeah, no, I’m the same. I can’t let— there won’t be an unread message on my phone.

[00:05:59] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:05:59] Stephen: Yeah. But some people brag about how many they have.

[00:06:03] Trevor: Yeah, I’m like you. I will reply very quickly.

[00:06:06] Stephen: I’m a fast reply, and it frustrates me that people don’t reply as fast as me.

[00:06:10] Trevor: You know, you should, you should be me sending you a message at 4 AM going, when’s this bloke going to reply?

[00:06:16] Stephen: When I wake up, you know. I see your, some of your, even some of your, your hostage photos of the movies that we, uh, yeah, the proof of life photos you sent me for the movies, for the movie show. And yeah, you’re watching the early session. That was an early session, 4 AM.

[00:06:30] Trevor: Sometimes you’ve got to get it done, folks. Sometimes you just got to get it done. All right, speaking of getting it done, let’s do this.

[00:06:38] Voice Over: Welcome to Two Blokes Talking Tech.

[00:06:41] Trevor: Not a bad price.

[00:06:41] Voice Over: With Trevor Long from eftm.com.

[00:06:44] Stephen: Really handy device.

[00:06:45] Voice Over: And Stephen Fenech from techguide.com.au.

[00:06:49] Trevor: Two Blokes Talking Tech, Episode 738. Thanks to the great people at Arlo and Netgear, and we’ll tell you all about them shortly. All we ask is you support those that support us. Arlo, if If you’re looking for home security, Netgear. If you’re in the market for Wi-Fi at home, they’ve got you covered. End of financial year will just still be kicking in here as you listen to this show. So specials, pretty good deals out there on both cameras and on Wi-Fi. So don’t be afraid to look around. It might be the perfect time to upgrade or add to what you got going on. Stephen, let’s talk smart glasses because it’s a wild, wild time. You can put a pair on, plenty of them. Yeah, just for show. You know what we’re doing here. It’s crazy to me how expansive this market is about to become.

[00:07:35] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:07:35] Trevor: And like, it’s years old. Like Meta, I don’t know which are which now. Oh, these are the Ray-Ban Stories that I’m holding here.

[00:07:41] Stephen: So they’re a few years old now, right?

[00:07:42] Trevor: I’ll switch to the top-down one. What are they, 5 years old? 5 years? Yeah, I feel like 5 years. These are the Ray-Ban Stories. They look almost identical to the ones that you’re wearing because the Ray-Ban Wayfarer design hasn’t changed, right? But the Stories, I can hear sounds in my ears because the glasses that I’m wearing are actually paired with something. I think they’re paired with my phone. Okay, so Ray-Ban had the Ray-Ban Stories, yep, then the Ray-Ban Metas, Meta Gen 1, and then the Ray-Ban Meta Gen 2, yep, the Ray-Ban Meta Display, which we do not have in Australia, got here yet, um, and they’ve just launched the Ray-Ban— sorry, the Meta Glasses. Yes, so they dropped the Ray-Ban. They’ve also got the Oakleys, the Vanguards, the Oakley, the bunch there. So they’ve got about 12 different models of glasses because there’s now two new Meta glasses and a third pair that are called the Kylies, which are very female-oriented.

[00:08:31] Stephen: Kylie Jenner, yeah, yeah.

[00:08:31] Trevor: If you wear them, Stephen, there’s words I’d use. I’ll get them for my wife, I think. Yeah, probably a good idea. Yeah, they’re $629. The standard Meta glasses are now $469 or $429, and the Ray-Ban Metas Gen 2s are like $569. So you pay them a premium for the Kylie Jenner ones. And you’re paying less for the standard Meta glasses.

[00:08:52] Stephen: They do the same thing basically.

[00:08:54] Trevor: The Ray-Ban Meta Gen 1s are still available also at a cheap price, like $339.

[00:08:58] Stephen: I noticed that, yeah.

[00:09:00] Trevor: So Meta have kind of gone, we’ve got this market sorted, this is unbelievable.

[00:09:05] Stephen: Well, it’s like, is it the partnership with the, what’s the parent company called?

[00:09:08] Trevor: Essilor Luxottica.

[00:09:09] Stephen: It’s an Italian company, I assume. I’ll talk later about, I had a chat with the Aussie boss at another thing we’re gonna talk about later, but that’s the company behind Ray-Ban, Oakley, and a bunch of other fashion brands. Yeah. Arnette. So many of them.

[00:09:24] Trevor: Yeah. People often say, you know, what do you need them for? And I go, well, look, okay, they’ve got photo and video, right? Great. Fine. And that is a cool feature. And I still think— and I said this on Today Show this morning— I’m like, when I was on holidays with the kids last year and I decided not to kind of use social media, but I still wanted to share where we were. I’m at Dodger Stadium and I say, hey, Meta, take a photo and share it on Instagram. It goes cha-ching. Share on Instagram.

[00:09:48] Stephen: Yes.

[00:09:48] Trevor: And it just sends the photo on Instagram.

[00:09:49] Stephen: So cool. That easy.

[00:09:51] Trevor: Such a great way of sharing and being screen-free.

[00:09:53] Stephen: But also lets you and people— I know people negatively think, oh yeah, it’s the creep factor that you’ve got a camera that you can use any time, but you’ve got a phone that can do that too. But you think of the times where you want to stay in the moment but still record the moment.

[00:10:08] Trevor: Yes.

[00:10:08] Stephen: These are ideal for that. 100%. I use them at Disneyland. So like, you know, on the rides, you can’t be holding your phone up. So I went long press to start a 3-minute video and that was the ride.

[00:10:21] Trevor: Same, great. I captured a few of them.

[00:10:22] Stephen: That’s awesome.

[00:10:22] Trevor: I gave them to the— I think I gave them to Jackson to capture the Incredicoaster. But the other thing is, so then in Meta glasses, then you’ve got speakers in them so you can listen to podcasts or music.

[00:10:31] Stephen: And Gen 2, by the way, much better volume. Yeah, the open-ear design on Gen 1 was a bit hard to hear in loud environments. Gen 2, way better.

[00:10:40] Trevor: And then you’ve got Meta AI, which I think is desperately underplayed. And the best feature of that for me is, and again, we were standing at the Washington Monument museum and I looked at a— there was a big building on the side of the road and I went, hey Meta, what am I looking at? Takes a photo and then it thinks, doo doo doo doo doo, thinks for a minute. And basically what it does, it takes that photo, sends it via your phone out to the cloud. The cloud analyzes it, AI analyzes it and goes, you’re looking at the Museum of African History in Washington. And then I say, tell me more. And it tells me more.

[00:11:04] Stephen: Yeah, it’s great.

[00:11:05] Trevor: And like, that’s an unbelievable thing. And they’re so smart. I remember the first time I tested them was at netball. I’m watching BV play netball. I go, hey Meta, what am I looking at? You’re at an out, you’re watching netball on outdoor courts. And I’m like, Meta doesn’t know what netball is? That’s amazing. They don’t play netball in America.

[00:11:21] Stephen: That’s cool. Even like looking at signs and stuff too. Like, can it, I think it can some sign in a foreign language. So what does the sign say? It can translate.

[00:11:31] Trevor: And also we should say Meta does have live translation. So you can be talking and listening in a different language. So you can hear the people, but here’s, and I, so, I reviewed— they’re what I’m wearing and not the Meta glasses, I should be clear. I think they look a little bit sillier. And I think— and someone said to me, you need to adjust that.

[00:11:47] Stephen: These glasses are so small for my face. Your head’s a lot smaller. I have a massive head.

[00:11:51] Trevor: Yeah, you’re stretching my glasses. Um, these ones are the Rokid glasses. Yeah. Now these are $999, but they have a screen, so you can kind of see if you’re watching on YouTube, you can kind of see when I flick my head around, you can kind of see on the front.

[00:12:03] Stephen: Square.

[00:12:04] Trevor: Square. Now what I’m seeing is a menu. And it says mobile app disconnected, but I can swipe here and there’s a menu of different options. So on this, on this device I’ve got info, subtitles, navigation, music, prompter, voice translation, volume, and brightness. Now voice translation blew my mind. So I went to YouTube and I went, and people speaking Spanish, and I found one that was just kind of conversation on the street, and about a half a second delay was all it was. And what what I was seeing, and by the way, it had subtitles so I could check it, it was saying it in here. And I reckon in— and this was proper conversation— I reckon it was 70 to 80% getting every word right. And so I could see them say pastor and different things.

[00:12:46] Stephen: The display is green, just a green right in your eyeline too. There’s no missing it. Yep.

[00:12:50] Trevor: Yeah, yeah. So I’m— as I, as I look at the camera, I’m seeing the voice translation icon in, in, in the front of the camera, which is why they have a prompter.

[00:12:58] Stephen: So if I launch the prompter— did you get the inserts too for yours, for your prescription?

[00:13:02] Trevor: Prescriptions? But they, they don’t really— how did yours They just clip on, they magnetically.

[00:13:07] Stephen: Yeah, mine too, but I’m thinking they might as well be on my glasses.

[00:13:10] Trevor: To be honest, I don’t think the script was very good. Yeah, yeah, I think they stuffed it up.

[00:13:14] Stephen: I don’t know. Yeah, I’m the same.

[00:13:16] Trevor: Yeah, they—

[00:13:16] Stephen: so you’re wearing them without them now?

[00:13:17] Trevor: I’m wearing without them because I’m not reading.

[00:13:19] Stephen: Still works okay.

[00:13:20] Trevor: But here on my screen— display— yeah, the display. This is the thing. How does this work? I can see the display perfectly.

[00:13:26] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:13:27] Trevor: And it’s 2 centimeters from my face.

[00:13:28] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:13:29] Trevor: But I can’t see what’s written on my phone 20 centimeters away. But the prompter, right, is crazy.

[00:13:34] Stephen: That’s really cool.

[00:13:35] Trevor: Crazy to me. I can be staring down the barrel here, and to be clear, I don’t script anything, but if you were going to script something, off you go. And so I can read what’s on the prompter, and it intelligently—

[00:13:45] Stephen: I can hear it.

[00:13:46] Trevor: Battery low, 20%. I can intelligently let it kind of go along, and it actually moves the prompter as I speak.

[00:13:53] Stephen: Right.

[00:13:53] Trevor: I mean, it’s unbelievable.

[00:13:54] Stephen: So it waits for you to talk before—

[00:13:56] Trevor: Yeah, I don’t have it. It’s not in auto mode at the moment. So if I was reading the poem that was in front of me, it would scroll through as you go. Fantastic.

[00:14:03] Stephen: Unbelievable. Well, it’s been a big week for glasses. Like, there are two other pairs of glasses that I saw this week. One of them was the— it’s called the Nuance Audio glasses. I was going to talk about the other one, but I’ll go with that one.

[00:14:15] Trevor: Go Nuance.

[00:14:16] Stephen: The Nuance Audio glasses, basically, and again, a partnership with Essilor Luxottica, which is the brand behind them.

[00:14:23] Trevor: It means they don’t have an exclusive deal with Meta.

[00:14:26] Stephen: No. Well, I’ll tell you why, because SLR Exotica bought Nuance Audio 3 years ago, bought the company. I was talking to Michaela, I forget his second name, but he’s the Australian boss of SLR Exotica, and he— the glasses basically are— pretend these are their glasses, and there’s a picture of me, picture of me wearing it on at the event. I think I prepared it earlier. Yeah, that’s me. Go top down.

[00:14:53] Trevor: Oh, standby.

[00:14:54] Stephen: This is, that’s me wearing the glasses at the event. They look like normal glasses. You look very handsome. Which look pretty good. And we were in a, so basically these are glasses for people with mild to moderate hearing loss. Okay, so.

[00:15:09] Trevor: But are they still got an open ear? What, how are they projecting sound in?

[00:15:12] Stephen: But they’ve got a microphone and speakers in the arms, but a microphone in the front. So in one mode, there’s a directional mode. So, and look, mild to moderate means you’re not, You’re not profoundly deaf, but you do have some level of hearing loss.

[00:15:29] Trevor: It’s the level that Apple cater to.

[00:15:31] Stephen: Yeah, that’s right. So if you’re really deaf, you need hearing aids, right? But this can fill the gap. And you think about it, there’s a bit of a stigma for people thinking, oh, he’s got hearing aids. And if you’re wearing a pair of glasses, that’s completely, you know, people think you’re just wearing glasses, right? And there’s two modes. There’s sort of, there’s the 360 mode where you can hear everything better, but there’s also the directional mode, which was amazing. Like I was in a, we were at the Hubert, the Hubert French restaurant in the city, and they’ve got a theater out the back, which I didn’t know. Crowded room, and the woman who was talking to me, her name was Steph, we were chatting away, and I was wearing them, and her voice, it seemed like there was a tunnel between her and I, and I could hear every word she was saying really clearly.

[00:16:13] Trevor: It’s not a little thing that goes in your ear?

[00:16:15] Stephen: No, it’s just basically amplified. It sits above, and it also amplifies your voice. So I’m talking to her, and I’m hearing my voice in my ear too.

[00:16:22] Trevor: So how loud must it be for it to amplify it for your ears if you’re profoundly— almost, sorry, sorry, if you’re mildly, mildly hearing loss? Are the people around you not hearing it as well?

[00:16:31] Stephen: Well, there’s different levels of amplification within the app. You can— there’s modes you can access on the arms. And but in the app is pretty detailed. You can go into detail in the app. But I heard her quite clearly. And you think about it, you’re at a dinner party or something and the person you’re talking to, you can hear them exactly right. So when they’re looking at you, talking to you, you’re getting it. 360 mode, which is a basic amplification of everything. But you think about it, right? The— we were just a minute ago talking about Meta, who partnered with SL All Exotica, right, for Ray-Ban. Yeah. So you think about it, it wouldn’t be too far beyond down the track where you’ll get one pair of glasses that can do all of that. They’ll have the cameras and the hearing as well. Yeah. And I’ll give you a little scoop here, all right? He— with the conversation we had at this event, um Great. Yeah, I was on a few days ago and Michaela, the boss of Essilor Luxottica in Australia, was saying, what’s the biggest thing that’s— what’s trending at the moment in tech? And I said, well, I reckon it’s wearables. I think these smart glasses. And then he saw that I was wearing the ring.

[00:17:40] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:17:41] Stephen: He goes, okay, you got the Oura ring. I said, yeah, well, you know, I think the word is that Oura claims that the signal from your finger is 100 times stronger than what you get on your wrist.

[00:17:51] Trevor: And you’re gonna tell me it’s even stronger around your ear?

[00:17:54] Stephen: He said that he went like this. He went, you know, the bridge of your nose, also very sensitive area. I went, ah, hello. So he’s basically just maybe given us a bit of an insight into what possibly could be coming where your glasses could do everything your ring and your watch could do.

[00:18:13] Trevor: But again, Oura’s biggest advantage is sleep.

[00:18:16] Stephen: Sleep, exactly. You don’t go to sleep with glasses on. Sleep is sleep. Exactly. But he, that’s what he, he just dropped that in the conversation. I went, okay, I see what you’re doing there.

[00:18:23] Trevor: But you know, the, Why don’t we talk about the extra, the last set, which are the other ones. You just see this a bit.

[00:18:31] Stephen: The big tour, the beasts.

[00:18:31] Trevor: I can hear noise somewhere. It’s one of these glasses probably going off.

[00:18:34] Stephen: Well, do you mind if I just close all the arms?

[00:18:36] Trevor: Well, I set these ones to stay on because I was trying to record them. So I’ll just throw them across the room. Yeah, so anyway, so I see this a bit and there’s a lot of cheap products that do this. Let’s be clear. Because it’s been around for ages. Remember TCL had these years ago where you put them on and they’ve got a cable, you plug them into something and you’re projecting a screen. Like full color screen in front of you that essentially, like on a plane, it’s like having a 150-inch screen in front of you for watching content on.

[00:19:04] Stephen: I’ve had these for a couple of days. I’ll be doing a full review down the track, but these are called the VITURE Beast. So it’s, they’re basically smart glasses, but it’s like a portable cinema, portable screen. And you can plug them into your phone, plug them into your tablet, plug them into your laptop.

[00:19:26] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:19:26] Stephen: So I was able to basically just mirror your phone. So with a cable mirroring, say my iPhone or my Android phone, scroll what you want, turn it on its side. Like with the iPhone, I was watching Apple TV and I press play on the show and it blacked out the screen and then everything was up in the glasses and really clear. And you know, like you can sit back like on a plane and watch, do whatever you want.

[00:19:51] Trevor: And with the speakers coming through, speakers, yeah, really clear as well.

[00:19:54] Stephen: But then I tried, okay, you connected to USB-C and I went, I plugged it into my laptop and then it came up and then I went into my settings and said, okay, mirror my laptop because you can have it either as mirrored or extended. But how can you mirror, have extended screen, you’ve got glasses on? So I mirrored my laptop screen and was able to work away. Didn’t have to wear my regular glasses. So because it was there pretty close and clear.

[00:20:19] Trevor: Which I still don’t understand. Yeah, it’s just, I don’t know how that works, but anyone that’s an optometrist, please, I need to understand why I can see something a centimeter away.

[00:20:28] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:20:29] Trevor: Maybe that’s all glorious color.

[00:20:30] Stephen: We need to read our messages like that.

[00:20:31] Trevor: It just doesn’t make sense without glasses.

[00:20:34] Stephen: But when I was connected to my MacBook Pro, there were 3 modes that I could watch it. So there was the mode where it was fixed. So wherever I looked, my screen, the screen went there.

[00:20:45] Trevor: Yep.

[00:20:45] Stephen: There was another mode where it was sort of like a, like a delay. So I’d move and it would move slightly after I moved. And then there was another one that was it, it where if I looked away from the screen, the screen was still there.

[00:21:01] Trevor: Oh, that’s cool.

[00:21:01] Stephen: Yeah. So there was, there was 3 different modes you could have on it.

[00:21:04] Trevor: That’s pretty cool.

[00:21:04] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:21:05] Trevor: And I think what’s fascinating about that is if you go from the Ray-Bans to the sound to the, to the screens to the audio, all the different things, right? Then you go, okay, we’ve got Apple Vision Pro, right? And I think we can all agree Apple Vision Pro does everything and it’s amazing, of course, but it’s spatial computing is what Apple sees it as. But then in between these and Apple Vision Pro, is Snapchat.

[00:21:27] Stephen: Yes.

[00:21:27] Trevor: Now the Snap Spectacles, Snap Glasses, whatever the hell they call them, is kind of an Apple Vision Pro competitor in many ways because they’re trying to bring it in so you plug it into a computer, you use it as computer things like that. Um, but they look ridiculous.

[00:21:42] Stephen: Yeah, they’re really thick and like, it’s literally the ugliest thing in the world.

[00:21:46] Trevor: You know, I said in a video this week, they’re a great example that no husband is going to tell their wife the truth about how they look, and no wife will tell their— because this bloke is married to a model, right? Miranda Kerr. And she hasn’t had the guts to say to him, honey, honey, you look like an idiot. And also, in every single photo, your ear is being squashed. Oh, have you seen that? You look at the photos, his ear is being squashed by these freaking glasses. It’s crazy. Okay, right. But Miranda Kerr, yeah, with her hair down covering up the sides, they just look like fashion glasses, right? So they fit in as I would say they are Meta displays with Apple Vision Pro aspirations. So here’s how it works. When you’re just wearing them as glasses, they’re essentially really powerful Meta displays with a bit of AR capability. But when you plug them in, they become Apple Vision Pros without the bulk. So the Apple Vision Pros without the compute, because Apple Vision Pro is a computer, you don’t need anything.

[00:22:45] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:22:45] Trevor: Whereas the Snap glasses, you can plug into a computer and they become your workspace and everything, right?

[00:22:50] Stephen: That’s a good approach.

[00:22:51] Trevor: So they look—

[00:22:52] Stephen: because you know what, ridiculous. Shouldn’t your phone be like, that’s powerful enough to do stuff?

[00:22:56] Trevor: Yeah, like, well, think about Samsung Dex. Like, if you plug—

[00:22:59] Stephen: well, that was the thing actually with the, with the, um, the Viture Beast. I plugged it into the— sent to the Galaxy S26 Ultra and Dex immediately came up.

[00:23:08] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:23:09] Stephen: And my phone was a trackpad.

[00:23:11] Trevor: Trackpad.

[00:23:11] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. So that was a great— but then I could go back and just mirror the phone, right?

[00:23:15] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:23:16] Stephen: So that, that was a great way. I could have done all my work through the phone on that, which is also why Samsung’s playing in this space with Google. Smart.

[00:23:24] Trevor: My question to you is this. Knowing all what we know today and what you’d be willing to wear and what’s possible.

[00:23:29] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:23:30] Trevor: What’s 5 years away look like?

[00:23:32] Stephen: Well, you’d imagine it’d be your— well, I reckon smart glasses with an in-screen display, in-lens display could potentially take over your phone. You think about it, right? So what do we do with our phone? We look at a screen. We interact with it, right? So is it possible that 5, 10 years’ time we’re not carrying phones, we’re all wearing smart glasses and everything’s on our screen? Oh, notification. Oh, Trev’s just messaged me. Okay, I’ll ring. Oh, I’ll go call him in a minute, whatever. And so now we’ve become a heads-up society rather than a this society.

[00:24:10] Trevor: Yes, which is a good thing.

[00:24:11] Stephen: And we’re able to do most of the things we’re able to do on the device including watching stuff. Like, that’s the great feature of these glasses, is like you’ve got a 150-inch screen in front of you.

[00:24:23] Trevor: So I don’t disagree, but I’ve long said, long said, that the smartwatch becomes the main, the primary device, right?

[00:24:32] Stephen: Yeah. Okay.

[00:24:32] Trevor: So imagine the—

[00:24:33] Stephen: so that becomes the computer.

[00:24:34] Trevor: Imagine they can, they can reduce the compute size, put the compute power of an iPhone into a watch, and then mirror it with a smart display, right? So imagine you’re wearing an Apple Watch and you’ve got, you’ve got your iOS notifications coming up. And with the power of Siri AI and Gemini and all the different cameras in them, so you can still take your photos. So much easier to now control it and say, well, can you reply to that and do this? Like, if you look at what Siri AI is, actually it’s there for that future. Yeah, exactly right. Oh, can you— well, that’s great. That message was good. Can you reply to them and then send a second message to this person? It just does it all in front of you and stuff. And when you look at the Meta glasses with display, yeah, you know, when you’re taking a photo, you can, you can see see the photo that’s going to be taken. It’s framed up.

[00:25:18] Stephen: So even with the Rockets, you could do that. You could see the photo. Yeah, but it was like a green grainy version.

[00:25:23] Trevor: Not only after, only after you’ve taken it. When you, when you’re taking it, it’s kind of just a box.

[00:25:27] Stephen: Yeah. When you’re framing it, at least it’s not very clear, but at least you can get an idea.

[00:25:30] Trevor: With the Meta displays, you can do FaceTime calls.

[00:25:32] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:25:33] Trevor: Like WhatsApp video calls. But so the idea of Apple being in that space is, well, obvious to me.

[00:25:39] Stephen: I’d say like Apple obviously came out of the gate strong with the Vision Pro. Yeah. So they’ve gone pro. This is everything you could ever have. Yeah, I think it’s smart of them because I reckon their roadmap was be okay, we’ve got to pull this back to consumer level now because it’s made— it’s up here, $6,000. How many people are buying that?

[00:25:56] Trevor: No.

[00:25:57] Stephen: But once I think they’ve got the— they’ve sort of established the, the foundation there, they’ve got everything they need and now they can tweak that into a product that then fits in with Siri AI, fits in with the camera and does everything. And I reckon that’s our future. We’re not looking down at phones. We’ve got— we’re all wearing these glasses.

[00:26:14] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:26:14] Stephen: With our prescription lenses in them if we need them. And that’s our computer.

[00:26:19] Trevor: That’s our screen.

[00:26:20] Stephen: It’s absolutely fascinating to me because we picked it, I called it, we said at our year end that smart glasses was gonna be a big trend for this year. And look what’s happened. Like just this week, there’s 4 of them come out. Yeah. So yeah.

[00:26:32] Trevor: Yeah. Look, I don’t claim that the Rockids are perfect, but they’re a great example of what you can do with a single pair of display.

[00:26:38] Stephen: What are they worth?

[00:26:39] Trevor: $999. $999. Yeah.

[00:26:40] Stephen: The virtual beast is $1,099. You can buy it through JB Hi-Fi. I think they’re on pre-order.

[00:26:45] Trevor: Just be cautious because the Rockets, there is a pair called the Rocket Neos. I’m going to work out which ones of these are which, by the way, later. Rocket Neos, and they—

[00:26:53] Stephen: what do they do?

[00:26:54] Trevor: Don’t have the display. They’re basically like Meta Ray-Bans.

[00:26:57] Stephen: So just the camera and a speaker?

[00:26:58] Trevor: Yes.

[00:26:59] Stephen: Okay.

[00:26:59] Trevor: So you got to be cautious with that.

[00:27:01] Stephen: So how about it’s cheaper?

[00:27:02] Trevor: Obviously, then. Yeah, because I went, oh, $699.

[00:27:04] Stephen: Because the screen is $999.

[00:27:06] Trevor: Yeah, right.

[00:27:07] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:27:07] Trevor: Okay. Yeah.

[00:27:09] Stephen: But I don’t know how much my inserts— I’m glad you said that. My inserts weren’t working very well.

[00:27:13] Trevor: No. And look, you know, so you end up taking them out. Well, so the thing is, yeah, I took them out because it wasn’t helping me see anything. And I’m not really wearing them while I’m reading. But the thing is, the prescription— I don’t have a prescription from OPSM locally, but what I had was a prescription from when I was in the US to get the Vision Pro.

[00:27:32] Stephen: Ah, so they’re old. Yeah, but it’s only a couple of years and I have a trade-in one and sent it to them and And I’ll put the right one on the right side and I’m thinking, eh, not quite as sharp. I can look at my computer up here, okay. But down here I’m struggling.

[00:27:48] Trevor: Yeah, I didn’t find it to be good at all.

[00:27:50] Stephen: I’m gonna try without it now.

[00:27:52] Trevor: Oh yeah, I mean, just you wear ’em as normal. You can wear them in this situation and your messages come up and stuff like that.

[00:27:57] Stephen: The thing is that when you’re looking at people, they’ll see the little green lines on.

[00:28:02] Trevor: You’ve gotta be on the perfect angle to see the green. But you can see the box, which is like—

[00:28:08] Stephen: But they’ll know something’s doing. They’ll know something’s up.

[00:28:10] Trevor: But that’s what I mean, mate. You’ve got to try the live translation of that.

[00:28:15] Stephen: Yeah, I will. Yeah.

[00:28:16] Trevor: So I did my video. Oh, did I do a review already? Yeah, I wrote a review. And so I don’t care here. Meta’s PR team rang me and they go, just a couple of things. I can’t remember what the two things were, but one of them was we do translation as well. I went, listen, I’ll stop you right there, mate. If I’m in Italy and I’m wearing Ray-Ban Metas and there’s some bloke going, and I’m trying to—

[00:28:38] Stephen: Arabic to me, mate.

[00:28:38] Trevor: I’m trying to hear what he’s What saying. Meta thinks he’s saying in English while he’s rabbiting on. Like, just calm down. It’s overwhelming, right?

[00:28:45] Stephen: It’s different.

[00:28:46] Trevor: It’s hard with AirPods as well, although they do noise cancelling, right?

[00:28:49] Stephen: You should have said live display translation.

[00:28:51] Trevor: No, it’s live translation. It doesn’t matter, right? I said to him, mate, it’s better. I’ve done it now with the display. It’s just better with the translation appearing in front of you. So good on you for having that feature, but it doesn’t change the fact—

[00:29:02] Stephen: Oh really? They rang you and said, is that right?

[00:29:05] Trevor: Yeah. I’m like, trust me.

[00:29:06] Stephen: Did you know who you’re talking to?

[00:29:07] Trevor: Not the same.

[00:29:08] Stephen: Yeah. And what was the other thing?

[00:29:09] Trevor: I can’t remember now. Yeah, I can’t remember, but that were right, eh? Yeah. Anyway.

[00:29:14] Stephen: Yeah, I forget that, eh? I reckon there, you get like, you review a product and then all these other PRs saying, I’m just sending you pictures for their product because their client probably said, hang on, Fennex reviewed this and Trevor Long’s done this, why haven’t you done that?

[00:29:26] Trevor: Little inside baseball, I’ve bought 3 pairs of Meta Ray-Bans, okay?

[00:29:30] Stephen: I bought 2.

[00:29:31] Trevor: 1 pair for Gen 1 and then 1 pair for Gen 2. No, 1 pair, then the battery died on one. I might have bought 4.

[00:29:37] Stephen: Now you lost your case, didn’t you?

[00:29:39] Trevor: I bought 4, the Gen 1s. Very well. Then I bought a Gen 2 and the battery just died on it.

[00:29:45] Stephen: So they don’t give it to us. We buy these.

[00:29:47] Trevor: And then I had another set and it broke. So they’re my lawn mowing glasses. So because they kind of—

[00:29:52] Stephen: You got glasses for lawn mowing?

[00:29:54] Trevor: Yeah, they’re sunglasses. They’re just sunglasses now. And then I got my current pair. So I’m in the can almost $2,500. Thanks very much, Meta. Okay, so I’ll say what I want.

[00:30:04] Stephen: Yeah, fair enough, mate. Fair enough. You put down your hard-earned.

[00:30:07] Trevor: Anyway, all right, well, yeah, it’s a huge thing. And Stephen’s observation that this is the year for it, as we said at the end of last year, is absolutely true.

[00:30:16] Stephen: It’s coming true. It’s like they were listening to us.

[00:30:19] Trevor: I would caution that there’s gonna be a lot of cheap stuff come from China.

[00:30:22] Stephen: Yeah, there is, yeah. There’s gonna be a rush. It’s gonna be like the hoverboard of 2027, 2026. But hopefully they won’t catch fire.

[00:30:32] Trevor: Or cause me to spend 3.5 grand on my elbow. Or cause me to have to spend $3,500 on my elbow.

[00:30:39] Stephen: Oh, there you go. Yeah, the hoverboard.

[00:30:41] Trevor: I don’t think I’m going to fall over on a set of glasses.

[00:30:43] Stephen: Exactly.

[00:30:44] Trevor: Yeah, or maybe if I’m distracted while walking.

[00:30:48] Stephen: Let’s just not, let’s not do, uh, let’s not predict anything, mate.

[00:30:52] Trevor: All right, uh, good idea. Two Blokes Talking Tech.

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[00:32:26] Trevor: Well, Tim Cook’s really ruined it for everyone. He came out in like an earnings call and said, listen, I don’t want to break it to you, but we’re gonna have to put prices up of new products are going to go up in price.

[00:32:36] Stephen: And frankly, I was not shocked. Smart of him to do that. Yeah, I’ll tell you why, because he’s at the launch, he’s not in charge, he’s not there anymore. That’s right, yeah, he’s out of there. But I reckon managing customer expectations, Apple’s very good at that.

[00:32:51] Trevor: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:52] Stephen: And making, putting, dropping that in there. I spoke about this on Tech Guide too the other day. So the thing is, so yeah, they’ve really— they’ve set us up to expect a little bump in price.

[00:33:02] Trevor: It’s a funny little— it’s a funny example of how awful it would be and annoying it would be to work at Samsung because it’s like people ignore that Samsung exists sometimes. And I say this to Samsung, I’m like, I’m sorry, an Apple event is just— it’s going to get coverage, whereas a Samsung event, I need to know what it is so we can hype it up for you, you know?

[00:33:20] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:33:20] Trevor: And Samsung put their prices up by like $100, $150 earlier in the year for the S26, only $50 on the, on the Ultra. But at the lower end, it was $200, $250, right? So when I was asked about this, I went, just so you know, they’re just doing what the rest of the industry is doing. Samsung has already done this at the start of the year. And they go, what do you expect to happen? I said, well, this is the— this is going to be the iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max this year, and the Ultra, the foldable. Honestly, I think $100, maybe. I think— I think people in the head will think $100, but I think $80 or $90.

[00:33:49] Stephen: There was an analyst, uh, in the US, like, Tim Cook was quoted in the Wall Street Journal talking about it, and I, I I put these quotes in my story, but one analyst said it was like up to $270, $300 US dollars that it could go up.

[00:34:03] Trevor: Mate, how can they?

[00:34:03] Stephen: Is that just an analyst looking for headlines or what?

[00:34:05] Trevor: Yes. Like how, how, how do you justify that?

[00:34:08] Stephen: Well, let’s, why don’t we talk about why it is, right? Why is, there’s a memory and storage shortage. Yeah. And these, there’s 3 major memory companies. One of them is Samsung.

[00:34:19] Trevor: Yes.

[00:34:20] Stephen: Right. So they’re going selling to the highest bidder for, you know, the data centers, servers.

[00:34:25] Trevor: So they’re going, okay, you want supply here, I think everyone will remember COVID.

[00:34:30] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:34:30] Trevor: Okay. There was huge problems with getting vehicles and things because chips. Now it wasn’t, it’s actually not, I’m not saying you’re incorrect, but it’s kind of weird to say it’s a supply shortage ’cause it’s actually a demand growth. You know what I mean?

[00:34:42] Stephen: Like they can’t meet demand.

[00:34:44] Trevor: They’re able to make as many as they always have, but the buyers are now AI data centers. So back in the day in COVID, it was just the people were buying bucket loads of tech. And so the tech companies were having to, you know, buy, build more things because they were simply selling more stuff. This time it’s not consumers that are buying more things, it’s the AI data center companies. Because every data center requires a building, it requires heating, cooling, all that kind of stuff. It requires power, and then it requires computers. A computer is what builds a data center, and in that computer is obviously a box. And then there’s these Nvidia graphics cards because they’re the things that are the, the, the true power of AI. But an Nvidia graphics card is no good without a processor and, and with memory. These devices need to have memory. So it’s putting a strain on processor and memory production, which is, which means that because they’re willing to spend the money and for them, so for an AI data center buying 10,000 pieces of memory, if the price goes up by 10%, they’re like, whatever, they’ll just, they’ve got to do it, they’ve got to build it. And then that gets passed on to the end consumer because there’s demand problems and supply problems. And here we are in a loop where prices go up.

[00:35:51] Stephen: Yeah. And so interestingly, the 3 of the 3 major companies, there’s one called Micron, Taiwan, and one of them is Samsung.

[00:36:01] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:36:01] Stephen: So will Samsung do themselves a deal there? Like, because they’re going to launch coming up next month.

[00:36:06] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:36:06] Stephen: And you’re saying potentially they— prices, well, they rose. They already—

[00:36:10] Trevor: yeah.

[00:36:11] Stephen: So we’re expecting them to stay on that level of increase, or—

[00:36:15] Trevor: I don’t see why the Fold will be— it will be more than last year.

[00:36:18] Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the S26 was more than the S25. That’s right. Yeah. And so, but like, it is an interesting—

[00:36:26] Trevor: Samsung, they don’t do themselves— it’s like saying, will LG get their OLED panels.

[00:36:30] Stephen: Yeah, they’re different.

[00:36:30] Trevor: They’re different companies, you know. That’s right.

[00:36:32] Stephen: But it’s Apple, I think, I believe have done some pretty, some like long-term deals with the memory manufacturers to ensure supply. I think they did an upfront cash payment. So here we go. Does this do us any good for the next 5 years?

[00:36:46] Trevor: Exactly.

[00:36:47] Stephen: So they’re putting their bids in already. So for the futures of—

[00:36:50] Trevor: Don’t you think the idea is, as you say, manage expectations now. But think about price, right? That, that analyst number, mate. So think about $1,849 is about the price of a Pro model.

[00:37:02] Stephen: 17 Pro is $1,999. It starts.

[00:37:05] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:37:05] Stephen: Was it? Yeah.

[00:37:06] Trevor: I thought it was $1,849. Maybe a couple of years. Maybe it’s already gone up.

[00:37:09] Stephen: $1,999. Well, that’s the other question.

[00:37:11] Trevor: Maybe that was the Plus.

[00:37:12] Stephen: Before we talk about that, the other question is what will happen to other products like the Macs? Well, iPads, are they going to be going up too?

[00:37:19] Trevor: I think you see a production curve. So think of MacBook Neo as a good example, $899. Yeah, but they would have pre-purchased and pre-ordered millions and millions of the materials. Yeah, but there’ll come a time, whether it’s later this year or early next year, that’ll be a $999 product. Yeah, because it just has to be going up. And that’s not them taking advantage of the sales, that’s them, that’s the price of it. That’s so, so a $1999 Pro goes up to what in your mind? Like, well, what’s palatable? Because if it goes up, if it’s highway robbery, yeah, if it can’t go up more than $200, I think $2149, I think $150 is the number.

[00:37:59] Stephen: $200 or like that, that, that line. I think the bloke said $270 US, which is about like $400 Aussie, mate. That’ll be, that’ll make customers, you know, there’ll still be customers who’ll still buy the phone, but the other customers think, you know what, I’m going to wait another year. I’m going to wait to upgrade.

[00:38:16] Voice Over: Yeah.

[00:38:16] Trevor: Which is why, in fact, I tell you this, the Today Show were running it like in the 5 AM news and 5:30. They were saying, they were quoting that analyst, I assume, because they were saying iPhone prices are going to go up by $380. And I texted them and said, listen, can we just drop off on that number? Because Samsung’s prices have already gone up by $100, $150. There’s no reasonable expectation.

[00:38:35] Stephen: Was that today they were doing that?

[00:38:36] Trevor: No, this was, you know, a few days ago when Tim Cook came out. It was last week. Yeah. When Tim Cook made the announcement. Announcement. Okay, um, I said Tim Cook hasn’t named a number, he’s just flagged and he will— prices are going to go up. Well, uh, but yeah, let’s just be real, preparing everyone. The market, if we look at the market, Samsung is the competitor, their price went up $100 to $150. Yeah, so you’re saying that that’s a logical amount.

[00:38:58] Stephen: If Apple don’t— if they’ll like—

[00:39:01] Trevor: Apple goes up more than that, then okay, yeah, it’s madness, right? Okay, well, because time will tell, but, but when, when, when JBs and Apple and whoever are negotiating about what the retail price is, someone’s gonna have to take a hit to make sure that it doesn’t go up by $200.

[00:39:16] Stephen: Let me ask you this then. Could this factor, this is what’s happening, could that be the reason why Apple potentially put the 18 to next year?

[00:39:28] Trevor: I don’t think so. I think that’s been a strategic move about 18 months in the making to split the year so that the— So they got the Pro or the 12. So the channels, the retailers have gotta split split revenue across the year. Yeah. And also to create some additional competition at the start of the year for Samsung.

[00:39:44] Stephen: So yeah, they got a, they got a rails run, eh, for 9 months they’ve got nothing.

[00:39:49] Trevor: Yeah. So, so you come off the back of Samsung’s launch maybe a month and a half later with an iPhone 18e, an iPhone 18, and an iPhone Air 2, and you’ve got yourself a still a solid price range. Yeah. From—

[00:40:01] Stephen: so you reckon the Air will be updated next year as well?

[00:40:03] Trevor: 100%.

[00:40:03] Stephen: Not this year. So September we’ll see 18 Pro, 18 Pro Max, and the Ultra. Okay.

[00:40:09] Trevor: Yeah, I think 3 phones, 2 times a year.

[00:40:10] Stephen: Yeah, I think the Ultra, if they had it, it’d be getting a bit crowded, I suppose. Like last year, I suppose the Air, the Pro, and the 17. That’s a lot of phones to talk about.

[00:40:19] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:40:20] Stephen: So they want to, they want to give everyone their own little bit of time in the sun at launch.

[00:40:24] Trevor: Yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s a smart move. Logical move.

[00:40:28] Stephen: And then, you know what, they’re still selling a ton of 17s as well. Like we’ve always said, that’s probably the best value phone you can buy. And that iPhone 17,, and that’s probably still selling like, like, like gangbusters. They go on gangbusters.

[00:40:40] Trevor: Interestingly, what about this for a conspiracy? But in the first year, for those people that upgrade every 1 or 2 years, right? If you’ve got an iPhone 16 standard, plus 17 standard, you come up to September 2026, you’re off contract. Do you get a Pro now because it’s what’s available and it’s all that’s available? So do they actually bump a large part of the audience? Directly up the chain?

[00:41:05] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:41:05] Trevor: Or do those people smart enough and savvy enough to go, I’ll just wait until earlier in the year? Yeah, because I don’t think they are. I think they’ll just go, there’s no—

[00:41:12] Stephen: I might as well just get a Pro.

[00:41:13] Trevor: I’ll just— whatever’s the cheapest iPhone, because there’s no Plus anymore, is there? So the Air took that spot.

[00:41:19] Stephen: Right, okay. Yeah, yeah, interesting.

[00:41:21] Trevor: But there’s an E, so yeah, there’s 6 phones, a lot of choices where there was 4.

[00:41:28] Stephen: And they’re going to be more expensive.

[00:41:29] Trevor: Yeah, but you know, so we’ve seen price changes from laptop companies as well. Asus, Lenovo, they’re all struggling.

[00:41:36] Stephen: So will the 17— that’s already out, hey, the 17e. Yeah, so the 18e will probably be more than $1,000 then. Now $999 will be $1,099, or they absorb it in that one somewhere.

[00:41:47] Trevor: They’ve got to, they’ve got to stand their ground on that being an entry-level device. Either that or you put it to $1,199, you’ve got to come out later in the year with a the Neo, iPhone Neo.

[00:41:57] Stephen: Yeah, like a cheaper, even cheaper than that, mate.

[00:41:59] Trevor: The smartest thing Apple do right now, that’s what, another phone? How many phones you got? Samsung’s heels and just go, we’ve got a $599 phone.

[00:42:07] Stephen: You know what I love? I love that Samsung, the rumors, you know, for their Fold, they’re gonna, they’re gonna have the, the wide, you know, the—

[00:42:13] Trevor: they announced it yet?

[00:42:15] Stephen: I mean, Jesus, no, I don’t think so. But the rumors, you’ve read all the rumors how they’ve got a regular, the regular Fold will come out out, but they’ve also got the wide, which is sort of to match what Apple’s going to do. Yeah, that’s just, just ultimate gamesmanship in it. Just say, there we go, that’s crazy. You can do something, we can do it too.

[00:42:32] Trevor: It’s crazy. But we know what else is crazy while we’re talking foldables. Um, no, can’t talk about—

[00:42:38] Stephen: I just realized, um, ah, you’re the one you’ve got. I don’t know if you know whether I could talk about mine yet.

[00:42:44] Trevor: Let’s show it on screen.

[00:42:46] Stephen: Well, it was just a screen. Okay, you don’t know what the brand is. Okay, it could be— that could be my Samsung, could be an Oppo, it could be anything.

[00:42:52] Trevor: Anyway, well, I’m interested in how design has evolved across the industry. Yeah, um, in terms of, you know, how thin devices are getting and stuff like that.

[00:43:01] Stephen: Foldables, it’s interesting. Well, do you know what?

[00:43:03] Trevor: See how quickly it moves?

[00:43:03] Stephen: Without giving away the brand of this phone, yeah, I was charging it last night and it was folded and it came up on the screen, um, more effective or more efficient charging, uh, open up the device.

[00:43:16] Trevor: Really? Open Yeah, that’s wild.

[00:43:20] Stephen: Yeah. So it must be battery on either side to— easier to—

[00:43:23] Trevor: cooling. I wonder.

[00:43:25] Stephen: Yeah, but it suggested open the device to get better charging.

[00:43:28] Trevor: That’s amazing. Interesting times. So look, if you’re in the market for technology, actually right now is the best time to buy. End of financial year sales. Yeah. The devices that are in country haven’t been hit by these memory changes. If they have, then they’re already in the market.

[00:43:43] Stephen: That’s what I thought. I touched on it before. The other price rises. Well, they’re going to still have the 17, won’t they?

[00:43:48] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:43:49] Stephen: Will that, will that be more expensive? Will the price go up on that? Because they’re going to produce that still.

[00:43:53] Trevor: And yeah, but I think that’s like the Neo, they’ve kind of pre-purchased.

[00:43:57] Stephen: Oh, you reckon?

[00:43:58] Trevor: Okay, the, the bits.

[00:43:59] Stephen: That might be your best buy, one of those before the price rise. Maybe get a 17.

[00:44:04] Trevor: I still think it’s the best device you can get.

[00:44:07] Stephen: Exactly right, best, best value iPhone for years.

[00:44:09] Trevor: Yeah, but don’t you think also this year is going to be interesting interesting because 17, I feel like the 17 might have been my best phone of the year last year. Like if it wasn’t, it was bloody close. Yeah, but without that phone, we’re going to be talking about the most premium level phones versus a few other new other brands.

[00:44:25] Stephen: When they ask you on the Today Show, okay, Trev, what’s the price? And you can say they start at $2,300 because it’s Pro and Ultra.

[00:44:33] Trevor: Yeah, so that’s going to be the story. It’s the premium, yeah, the, the people that buy budget entry-level phones and now have to wait 6 months. Which is fine.

[00:44:42] Stephen: Is that 6 months?

[00:44:43] Trevor: Give me 6 months. October, November, December, January, February, March.

[00:44:47] Stephen: Wait half a year for your more affordable iPhone.

[00:44:49] Trevor: Split it out.

[00:44:50] Stephen: But like you— but it’s— isn’t it how it’s worked out that the contracts for those people who are on—

[00:44:55] Trevor: what is it, 16?

[00:44:57] Stephen: Yeah, they can think, what do I get now? Do I get the Ultra or do I get this? So the Ultra’s—

[00:45:02] Trevor: they’re going to be hearing the words 18 Pro. They’re not going to be wanting to buy a 17.

[00:45:05] Stephen: Yeah, well, let’s, uh, what do you think price— like, Ultra was already going to be expensive before this conversation, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, could this be their first $4,000 phone?

[00:45:17] Trevor: I mean, it’s going to get close to $3,999, isn’t it?

[00:45:19] Stephen: I’d say— I think so.

[00:45:20] Trevor: I think it’s a $3,499.

[00:45:22] Stephen: So what’s the most expensive?

[00:45:23] Trevor: And that’s a Pro.

[00:45:24] Stephen: The Pro is $2,999, is it, for like 1 terabyte? If you spec it up, spec it up, it’s like— is it— is it $2,999 or $2,899 or something? It’s, it’s Bloody, it’s up there, nearly $3K.

[00:45:37] Trevor: Do you want to know?

[00:45:38] Stephen: Yes, please.

[00:45:38] Trevor: We’ll keep talking.

[00:45:39] Stephen: So I reckon the Ultra will start at $3 grand.

[00:45:44] Trevor: Yeah, it’ll be $3— I don’t even think it’ll be $2— exactly, I don’t even think it’ll be $2,999. I think it’ll be $3,199.

[00:45:53] Stephen: And if you want the, all the memory, be 2TB iPhone 17 Pro Max.

[00:45:58] Trevor: Wow. $3,799.

[00:46:01] Voice Over: What?

[00:46:02] Trevor: Seriously?

[00:46:02] Stephen: Yeah, because memory is that expensive.

[00:46:05] Trevor: Wow, it jumps from $21.99 for 256.

[00:46:08] Stephen: How many people buy two? Can’t you buy those, you know, those, those drive storage? Yeah, like, can’t you buy them and like buy 2 terabyte, terabyte of that?

[00:46:16] Trevor: Well, the difference, it’s, mate, $299, it’s $800 for a terabyte to go from 1 terabyte to 2 terabytes. Wow, $800.

[00:46:24] Stephen: Memory is expensive.

[00:46:26] Trevor: I mean, it’s wild. Well, it’s $800 to go from 256 to 512.

[00:46:29] Stephen: You know what I’ve noticed too, that remember Apple’s never had expandable memory in their phones. Now no one has expandable memory in their phones, including Samsung. Shocking. Remember Samsung used to have expandable memory? Yeah. Now, oh no, you buy our memory now.

[00:46:40] Trevor: Yeah, well, we’ll sell it to you in the phone, Pete. Yeah, that’s how you’re getting it. All right, fair enough.

[00:46:46] Stephen: It’s that or nothing.

[00:46:47] Trevor: Yeah, pay attention to the prices. Not a bad time to shop because there are some cracking deals out there. I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you a little thing I discovered today.

[00:46:54] Stephen: What’s the little thing?

[00:46:55] Trevor: I discovered a $7,000 discount.

[00:46:58] Stephen: What?

[00:46:58] Trevor: Yep. Can you, can you get a car? What? No, on a piece of technology.

[00:47:03] Stephen: $7,000 discount?

[00:47:05] Trevor: Yep.

[00:47:06] Stephen: Uh, a computer?

[00:47:10] Voice Over: Nope.

[00:47:12] Stephen: Projector?

[00:47:13] Trevor: Nope.

[00:47:14] Stephen: Television? Yep.

[00:47:15] Trevor: $7,000 discount, so it must be the one like the 115-inch Samsung’s 115-inch is currently at Harvey Norman $34,500. So $34,521 down from $41,000.

[00:47:31] Stephen: Wow. Bit of margin there, eh? Yeah. Nice.

[00:47:34] Trevor: It’s an 18% discount though. Oh, that’s a solid eoffy deal.

[00:47:38] Stephen: Mate, I might go buy that now. I was thinking $40 is just slightly outside the budget. I’m gonna go for it. $30, what is it? $33 grand?

[00:47:45] Trevor: $32? Yes, it’s $34,500. It has recently been $38-something, so it’s had a little discount a few— a week ago. Wow. But it’s been consistently at $41.

[00:47:53] Stephen: That’s the RGB, micro RGB, 115-inch.

[00:47:57] Trevor: Wow.

[00:47:57] Stephen: It is a bloody good TV though.

[00:47:59] Trevor: It’s a big, big, big TV.

[00:48:00] Stephen: Nice telly.

[00:48:01] Trevor: Yeah. When we— when I set up and I put on— when I set up the Hisense XR10 projector, yeah, I had to take two, which I still haven’t received, by the way. Yeah, well, you take with you. Yeah. Um, I’d take two prints off the wall. Amanda lost a mine. I said, what are you doing? She goes, do you remember how much you swore trying to put them on the wall? And I went, that was because I was putting the holes in the wall. She goes, no, it was because they’re really hard to mount those. She was right, it was very hard to put them back on. You were right, babe, I’m sorry. Anyway, I took them off the wall, put it up, and Harry and I got the measuring tape out. I’m like, how big is he? Because, uh, and he does the conversion from, you know, millimeters to— Isn’t it good you got a little helper?

[00:48:35] Stephen: I don’t have that anymore, mate. All my kids are growing up.

[00:48:37] Trevor: You know how hard it is to hold a bloody measuring tape? Measuring tape on a diagonal. Yes. 3 meters. It’s bloody hard.

[00:48:44] Stephen: Yeah. And if I ask Jo to do it, she goes, what do you want me to do? Yeah. Okay, here, can you just help us out for 5 minutes?

[00:48:48] Trevor: So I measured it and I’m like, it’s only 112 inches or something. Oh mate. So I pulled the thing back a bit further and, you know, went closer to the edge of the roof and stuff. And we got it to 100 and I think we got it to 130. And that was when I went, hang on a minute. And I actually went to ChatGPT and I said, listen, the average ceiling is 2.4 meters. Take away 5 centimeters for a cornice and 3 centimeters for a skirting board. What would be the measurement and how big a screen could you fit from the diagonal? And it worked out you could do 185-inch screen would be the biggest you could essentially have on a wall. So it made me kind of laugh because Hisense say that thing can do 300 inches. Where are you doing that?

[00:49:27] Stephen: On the side of your house. Well, yeah, yeah.

[00:49:28] Trevor: If you’ve got a two-story house with no windows on one side, you could project 300 inches.

[00:49:32] Stephen: Go to a building.

[00:49:33] Trevor: That’s crazy.

[00:49:34] Stephen: Yeah, crazy.

[00:49:35] Trevor: But by the way, well, so what did you get up to? Spoiler, I got it to 130-ish.

[00:49:38] Stephen: Yeah, because my screen in my Theatre’s 150.

[00:49:40] Trevor: Yeah, it’ll look amazing. Yeah, and, and it’s so bright.

[00:49:43] Stephen: Yeah, nice.

[00:49:44] Trevor: So bright.

[00:49:45] Stephen: So you mean lights on viewing daytime?

[00:49:48] Trevor: Lights on viewing, it’s still, it’s still a projector, but it’s, it’s unbelievably good. Yeah, as a projector, still watchable, but I’d turn to the TV and watch that instead. Right. But at night, far out, mate.

[00:49:57] Stephen: Yeah, it’s a cracker.

[00:49:58] Trevor: It was lighting up the room.

[00:50:00] Stephen: Yeah, I shall be watching the Rabbitohs play.

[00:50:02] Trevor: While we’re at lunch, text, we’ll text Hisense and just say, do you I want just— is that the easy thing to do here? Sure. You know, yeah, it’s got the carry bag and everything.

[00:50:10] Stephen: Very nice.

[00:50:10] Trevor: Got the little luggage suitcase.

[00:50:11] Stephen: Save a Mercuria.

[00:50:12] Trevor: Yeah, I’ll need you to reset it. I haven’t reset it, but, oh, you know, you’ll be lucky with my SBS On Demand. That’s at best.

[00:50:19] Stephen: I’ll be watching as much Chicken and Corn as I can.

[00:50:21] Trevor: Very good. All right, well, uh, if you’re worried about memory prices— yeah, I know, I’m across it, mate. Sex Before Soccer. I worked there for 8 years, buddy.

[00:50:30] Stephen: Is that what it stands for? That’s great.

[00:50:33] Trevor: That’s really good.

[00:50:34] Stephen: Have you heard that? No, that’s funny. Sex before soccer. Well, there’s only someone who worked, used to work there would know that. That’s kind of an in-joke, you know. Is that right?

[00:50:43] Trevor: I don’t think it’s in. I think everyone—

[00:50:45] Stephen: I hadn’t heard it.

[00:50:46] Trevor: Oh, you hadn’t heard that line?

[00:50:46] Stephen: Just like how you hadn’t heard our quote on the EV show.

[00:50:49] Trevor: Yeah, right.

[00:50:50] Stephen: Yeah, about, um, it’s nice to be important, but it’s important to be nice.

[00:50:53] Trevor: Yeah, I’m gonna get it put up on the wall. Trevor, he’s trying to make lies to truth. Uh, Two Blokes Talking Tech, uh, thanks for listening.

[00:51:02] Voice Over: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Stephen Fenton.

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[00:52:02] Voice Over: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Stephen Fenech.

[00:52:09] Trevor: Whoops, I just realized that I had that on the list to talk about.

[00:52:13] Stephen: Oh, there you have it.

[00:52:14] Trevor: I might have jumped ahead there. Ah well, do I need to— what do I do?

[00:52:17] Stephen: You can scrub that.

[00:52:18] Trevor: Scrub it out.

[00:52:19] Stephen: We’ve already spoken about it.

[00:52:20] Trevor: Okay, well, we’re talking about the SR10. Sorry about that.

[00:52:22] Stephen: That’s okay, we’ve still got the JBL headphones to talk about. So you reviewed that? I reviewed the 780NC and the 680NC.

[00:52:29] Trevor: The 780s are over the ear, 680 are on the ear.

[00:52:33] Stephen: On ear.

[00:52:33] Trevor: So there’s 3 types of headphones.

[00:52:34] Stephen: I think if you don’t want to have a bulky pair of headphones, then the 680s are good. Yeah, but they don’t like the—

[00:52:41] Trevor: you know, see that? I think it’s a personal choice based on are you happy with something essentially on your ears sitting in there. It makes me uncomfortable after a very short amount of time. Does it. Even now, what you do, feel uncomfortable. I prefer, I prefer something that, yeah, cups my ears.

[00:52:53] Stephen: Same, I’m a go big or go home. You prefer to be cupped? Okay, you know, I prefer big ear cup as well, mate. But, um, and the nice padding. Yeah, hey, I’m a big cup man. Even my tea, I have a big cup. I got a big Rabbitoh’s cup for my tea. I’m a big— I drink like half a liter of tea.

[00:53:13] Trevor: I can imagine, I can imagine. Anyway, no, so I, I took these, uh, with me on the last trip to London and everything, and so I had them on the plane, man. Honestly, I know that it becomes very hard to compare noise cancelling because you’ve got to take them off, put another one on to really hear the sound and everything. But like, I think there’s two types of people: the people that understand noise cancelling, the people that think it’s going to make it completely quiet. Like, people wear noise cancelling in an office and go, but I can still hear people. Yeah, okay, it doesn’t cut it all out. But anyway, I thought these were unbelievable for noise cancelling.

[00:53:43] Stephen: I thought they were great for the price too. Like, they compete with Bose and Sony. They’re obviously the, the standard, right? But, but these are— what standard? Far off it.

[00:53:50] Trevor: We’re talking looking, it’s if you have a set of Apple AirPods Max or Sony WH-1000s or Bose QuietComforts, right? And you put these on the minute after you wore your other ones, you might notice that you’re hearing more of the engine work a little bit. But I’ll tell you this right now, if you flew 2 months ago with your Bose or your Sonys or your Apples and you put these on and get on the plane, you’re gonna go, these are good, these are great, they’re great. Yeah, that’s the thing. I’m worried that it’s, it’s like when we talk about TVs, you’ve really got to look hard.

[00:54:21] Stephen: You don’t have— you don’t look at TV side by side at home.

[00:54:24] Trevor: No.

[00:54:24] Stephen: Yeah. Like you don’t wear two pairs of headphones.

[00:54:26] Trevor: So I found them to be excellent. I found them to be excellent noise canceling.

[00:54:30] Stephen: So apart from the design, like the 680s and the 780s, they’re basically all the— I think the 780s has two more microphones for the noise cancellation than the 680s, but audio quality, both the same. Superb. Like iconic, typical JBL quality you’re getting there.

[00:54:45] Trevor: Unbelievable app as always.

[00:54:46] Stephen: And yeah, good app, but also comfortable. You know, these are all meant to be all-day headphones.

[00:54:50] Trevor: Call quality.

[00:54:51] Stephen: Was, was decent as well. Like, you know, it was— you could easily be understood and heard clearly. Yep. Um, and the price too, I think. What, what is it, $299 for the NC 780s and $249 for the NC 680s?

[00:55:08] Trevor: Yeah, $299.

[00:55:09] Stephen: So pretty, I think, affordable quality.

[00:55:11] Trevor: They come with a little microfiber bag, which is unbelievable for cleaning.

[00:55:16] Stephen: I would have loved a little hard case for this.

[00:55:18] Trevor: No, I’ve decided I prefer it like this.

[00:55:20] Stephen: Yeah, right.

[00:55:20] Trevor: Because I found it easier to put in my bag. Yeah. And also because they are foldable in multiple ways. Yeah, you can fold them around so you can make them the size that you want.

[00:55:29] Stephen: What about the colors? Well, I had a— my 6780s were orange.

[00:55:33] Trevor: Wow. I had a whitish pair. They, they appeared to be more— they, they were like the iPhone Air. They, they like had a tinge of blue in them.

[00:55:39] Stephen: Yeah.

[00:55:40] Trevor: Anyway, they’re apparently just white.

[00:55:41] Stephen: Very bold colors.

[00:55:42] Trevor: I see. It had like a lavender style dull just tinge to it. Yeah, but the 680s, mine are purple, they’re bloody lavender.

[00:55:48] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, I got— no, mine were black, I think, of those ones.

[00:55:51] Trevor: They’re also a really premium looking design. Yeah, and mate, the feel of the, of the, of the cup, the feel of the headband, like, comfortable. Think about what— remember the WH-1000 collections, right?

[00:56:02] Stephen: Yes.

[00:56:03] Trevor: When that— it’s beautiful metal, brushed, brushed metal and polished. But the design of it, I’m going to say these, these are plastic on the outside and stuff, but I think JBL’s nailed the design of these. They’re a beautiful headband.

[00:56:14] Stephen: I like these, the hinges is the metal hinges on them. Like, for, for people— I’ve got a fat head, as I said before. No, really, being, being able to wear them comfortably. And because they get that hinge, has good— they’ve got a lot of give in them.

[00:56:26] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:56:27] Stephen: However you like to wear them, they’re always going to be comfortable.

[00:56:30] Trevor: Easy to use physical buttons for control. Like, very nice, dude. Really hard to argue, uh, with these as an option for $300.

[00:56:37] Stephen: Yeah, I know, you can’t go wrong. Yeah, very, very nice, the JBLs.

[00:56:42] Trevor: Very nice. What are we bored Are we? Is that his name? Is that who does that? Very nice. If you want to see Stephen’s big head in a set of headphones and my big head—

[00:56:51] Stephen: No, there’s no photos of me. There’s only photos of my hands. Yeah, I didn’t want to put our readers through that.

[00:56:54] Trevor: Yeah, I just look back on reflection on my review and decided I shouldn’t do that anymore.

[00:56:59] Stephen: Yeah, I selectively do that if they’re like earphones. I did it for the Sony collection.

[00:57:02] Trevor: It’s like a jump scare.

[00:57:03] Stephen: It’s like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, no, I actually, I think the last time I did it was for the Sony collections. I remember we were down in Darling Harbour for the HP Hotel hotel. Yeah, I thought, oh, it’s a nice background outside to do that there.

[00:57:17] Trevor: So that’s what I did. Yeah, no, he did well. Anyway, if you want to see Stephen holding them, uh, techguide.com.au. If you want to see my ugly mug, then eftm.com. Yeah, warning, trigger warning, there is a jump scare of my head in headphones sitting in the business class United Airlines seat.

[00:57:34] Stephen: So, wow, doing it tough.

[00:57:35] Trevor: And it’s United or Qatar?

[00:57:37] Stephen: Looks like Qatar. I think there’s dark seats.

[00:57:39] Trevor: Yeah. Yeah, that’s Qatar.

[00:57:41] Stephen: That looks like an Arabian airline to me.

[00:57:43] Trevor: Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful marble style table there in the Q Suite connected to Starlink. There is a Formula 1 Grand Prix on our next flight, which we can’t talk about because the event hasn’t been announced. But ah, um, is that wild?

[00:57:56] Stephen: Where are you going? Where are we going, you wonder?

[00:57:58] Trevor: Well, I’m going on Qatar. Does that help?

[00:58:00] Stephen: I mean, you know, still trying to pick my seat, mate. Can’t get through, can’t get through on the website.

[00:58:04] Trevor: Oh, it’s very slow. What’s doing app. It’s slightly faster.

[00:58:07] Stephen: Worse on the app.

[00:58:08] Trevor: Oh really?

[00:58:08] Stephen: Yeah, good. I’m going to try it on this other phone. I’ve changed phones even to try to do this. I haven’t picked my seat yet.

[00:58:14] Trevor: Yeah, the Austrian Grand Prix is this weekend and then Silverstone the week after.

[00:58:18] Stephen: Oh my God.

[00:58:19] Trevor: And then just if we happen to be flying during the Belgian Grand Prix.

[00:58:25] Stephen: Oh wow. Yeah, I’ll take a note of that.

[00:58:28] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:58:28] Stephen: Is there live— they’ve got live coverage on there? Live? You do it through Starlink?

[00:58:31] Trevor: Through Starlink and you scan a QR code.

[00:58:33] Stephen: You know Emirates? I flew Emirates to London. We we went with, did you go Emirates too? No. Oh, you went Qatar. Yeah. I went Emirates to when we went to Amazon.

[00:58:39] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:58:40] Stephen: And mate, they got live channels. Yeah. Including sport channels. I was able to watch all the NRL games live.

[00:58:46] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:58:47] Stephen: So I just happened to be flying during the Friday night games and during the Saturday games.

[00:58:49] Trevor: Yeah, so Sport24.

[00:58:51] Voice Over: Amazing.

[00:58:51] Trevor: On Qatar, it just comes up with a QR code. You scan it on your tablet and you just watch it.

[00:58:55] Stephen: Oh, so you can do that on Qatar as well?

[00:58:56] Trevor: Yeah.

[00:58:57] Stephen: Good to know.

[00:58:57] Trevor: Yeah, I’ve watched the Formula 1 live. It’s fantastic.

[00:58:59] Stephen: Good to know.

[00:59:00] Trevor: Powerful.

[00:59:00] Stephen: You know, on the way to, from Sydney to Dubai on Emirates, it was the Triple Seven. 777 with Starlink. And mate, that was far as I was getting 400 megabits per second download speeds. I was working like I was at home on my laptop and it was amazing.

[00:59:14] Trevor: Mate, I did a whole flight. I think it was, I think I said to Stig when I flew from, where was it? It was a hop. So maybe it was the Qatar to London flight. I didn’t sleep. I normally sleep on every flight, but I went, you know what? It’s daytime. It’s da da da da. This is it.

[00:59:33] Stephen: And so I went, this is it. I’m gonna work.

[00:59:35] Trevor: And I just worked. Yeah, it was like proper—

[00:59:38] Stephen: like you were sitting here in the office. It was the internet. You had the internet. So good.

[00:59:42] Trevor: So good. All right. Yeah. What did I say? You can, you can read all that stuff and see all that stuff on our websites.

[00:59:49] Voice Over: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech with Trevor Long and Steven Fenech.

[00:59:57] Trevor: 4,811 days. That’s what it’ll be in November. The gap between Grand Theft Auto 5 and Grand Theft Auto 6.

[01:00:04] Stephen: How many years is that?

[01:00:04] Trevor: How many years is that? 13 years. Holy hell. And I don’t know, but it’s got to be 6 years they’ve been promising this new game.

[01:00:10] Stephen: Yeah.

[01:00:11] Trevor: But it’s finally coming. I think it’s November the 12th? November 19th. Right. November 19th.

[01:00:17] Stephen: Just after Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 comes out.

[01:00:20] Trevor: But you can now pre-order. As of right now, you can pre-order Grand Theft Auto 6. There’s one $29.99.95 and an ultimate collector’s edition at $159.

[01:00:29] Stephen: Do you reckon it’s going to set a pre-sales record?

[01:00:31] Trevor: Is it already done it? So I was on the radio this week saying, I think everyone who doesn’t understand games needs to understand this will be the biggest entertainment release in history.

[01:00:40] Stephen: History. Like, we’re talking bigger than Avatar, bigger than anything.

[01:00:42] Trevor: They may— this is— here’s what it’s bigger than: Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour.

[01:00:46] Stephen: Wow.

[01:00:47] Trevor: She made $2 billion out of that, right? This will make $3 billion in its first year easily. And the thing is, the presale— so someone said to me today, it was Jolly, said, why do I preorder it? Like, it’s a digital thing, you know? I said, firstly, so it’s there installed and ready so that on the 19th you just play. You don’t have to wait Download. Secondly, the standard edition includes some pre-order bonuses. So like there’s vehicles, there’s outfits, looks, and weapons.

[01:01:12] Stephen: You want those.

[01:01:13] Trevor: And in the, and in the even better pack, there’s obviously more of those things.

[01:01:17] Stephen: So basically, which one do you get?

[01:01:18] Trevor: I will, I’ll pay the $159. Yeah.

[01:01:20] Stephen: Oh, you haven’t done it yet?

[01:01:21] Trevor: No, I won’t. You will? I’ll do it on the Xbox later today, maybe. I’ll go do it on the PS5. And then it’ll be there, it’ll be downloaded, ready to go and play.

[01:01:27] Stephen: So you reckon PC or Xbox or PS5 or whatever, whatever tickles your fancy?

[01:01:31] Trevor: I have this suspicion it’s only available on Xbox and PlayStation at launch. What? Not available on PC.

[01:01:36] Voice Over: Really?

[01:01:36] Trevor: Which is hugely controversial.

[01:01:38] Stephen: Oh no.

[01:01:38] Trevor: But I don’t—

[01:01:40] Stephen: How long will PC gamers have to wait?

[01:01:42] Trevor: Yeah, I feel like it’s— I wouldn’t— I’d buy an Xbox.

[01:01:45] Stephen: Well, they’ve waited 3 years already.

[01:01:45] Trevor: Put it this way, if you’re a PC gamer, I’d buy an Xbox because like they’ve waited a long time for this thing already.

[01:01:52] Stephen: Yeah, so another couple of months is not going to hurt you.

[01:01:53] Trevor: You can preorder through the Gamesman and people like that, but also just on your digital store.

[01:01:57] Stephen: Have you got any idea of what sort of improvement? Like how much more realistic can it get? I mean, like, is this going to be like— it’s—

[01:02:04] Trevor: when you actually find out—

[01:02:04] Stephen: those who’ve never heard of it, it’s— open world sort of setup.

[01:02:07] Trevor: When you watch the trailer, it’s little things like the, the waves in the water and the ocean and its reflections and all that kind of stuff. And you’re gonna wander around.

[01:02:14] Stephen: Yeah, like Far Cry, but it’s a bit edgier.

[01:02:17] Trevor: I really want, I really want the, the start of it not to be too long. Like, I’ll give them half an hour. I’ll play what you want me to play for half an hour scenes. Yeah, and then let me out. Then I just want to go and steal cars. Okay, because that’s the game.

[01:02:31] Stephen: Yeah.

[01:02:31] Trevor: I want to steal cars.

[01:02:32] Stephen: You go to strip clubs.

[01:02:33] Trevor: No, I don’t do that. I just want to steal cars. I want to find the airplanes. I want to fly around. I want to explore the world. That’s what you want to do. And shoot people.

[01:02:40] Stephen: And it’s a massive, massive world.

[01:02:42] Trevor: Yeah, huge. Like the numbers.

[01:02:44] Stephen: Is there an online component? Like a multiplayer component?

[01:02:46] Trevor: You know what’s really interesting? Really interesting. On the Gamesman website, I was looking today.

[01:02:53] Stephen: Is that where you can order it through the Gamesman?

[01:02:54] Trevor: Riddle me this. Yes, you can. And so if you want to support them, they’re great people. I was reading it and it says, look at this description, Grand Theft Auto 6 is a single-player experience.

[01:03:04] Stephen: What? So there’s no multiplayer at all?

[01:03:07] Trevor: Has to be.

[01:03:08] Stephen: I don’t reckon, maybe it launches.

[01:03:09] Trevor: I think, I think what it is—

[01:03:11] Stephen: Was the previous one multiplayer?

[01:03:12] Trevor: Yeah, absolutely. They’re still making, someone said to me this week, they’re still making $1 million a month out of the old one because there’s still people playing it online. But one of the pre-orders gives you access to a month free of month of GTA Plus or something like that.

[01:03:27] Stephen: So that’s the online.

[01:03:28] Trevor: So I think what they mean—

[01:03:29] Stephen: PlayStation Plus—

[01:03:30] Trevor: all digital pre-orders receive a month of GTA Plus. So my guess is that the labeling is a single-player game is a way of saying what you’re buying, yeah, is single-player only, right? To play multiplayer, you have to have a subscription.

[01:03:44] Stephen: You got to pump up to the subscription level.

[01:03:46] Trevor: So here’s a company, Rockstar Games, that are going to make— especially at this money, they’re going to make probably $4 billion right? Yeah. And then ongoing, they’re going to be making monthly—

[01:03:56] Stephen: yeah, like, like the PlayStation Network. Yeah, well, or maybe annual, to have an annual plan maybe.

[01:04:01] Trevor: And you’re right, this will be, this will be the biggest pre-order thing in history. I won’t be surprised if in a week they put out a press release.

[01:04:07] Stephen: Yeah.

[01:04:07] Trevor: Saying how big it’s been.

[01:04:09] Stephen: We’ve hit $4 billion already.

[01:04:10] Trevor: Yeah. But I just don’t— well, I don’t know if they’ll make that much in pre-orders. That’s the first year. Like, in a year they’ll make $4 billion. Which is what Taylor Swift, she made $2 billion in 2 years.

[01:04:21] Stephen: That’s pretty good.

[01:04:22] Trevor: And, you know, Toy Story 5 opened at the box office, $300 million opening week.

[01:04:25] Stephen: Yeah, wow.

[01:04:25] Trevor: And that’s huge, right?

[01:04:27] Stephen: Yeah, that’s peanuts compared to this.

[01:04:29] Trevor: Peanuts. Yeah, that’s opening minutes on this show, this bloody game. And you know what, it’s— and I think it’s really important.

[01:04:35] Stephen: You haven’t seen Toy Story 5 yet? No. You’re gonna go see it?

[01:04:37] Trevor: I will.

[01:04:38] Stephen: You’re gonna take little Harry with you? Yeah, I’m gonna go with you, with Amanda.

[01:04:41] Trevor: I just, man, I’ve been stupidly busy, so I just haven’t.

[01:04:43] Stephen: I went to the movies the other night, actually, the other Sunday night. I went to see Disclosure. Leisure Day. Oh yeah, we’ll talk about the private one.

[01:04:48] Trevor: Yeah, we’ll talk about in the private. Good hook, well played. Um, uh, look, I haven’t— I love this because I’m not, I’m not feeding into what it’s about or anything because again, I don’t really care about the story, but I’ll play it a bit.

[01:04:59] Stephen: I think it’s going to be controversial too. There’s a few things you can do in it that are pretty adult.

[01:05:03] Trevor: Well, I hope it’s R-rated.

[01:05:04] Stephen: Plus, definitely R-rated.

[01:05:05] Trevor: It’s definitely gonna— is there a rating on it already? I wouldn’t think so. Yeah, I don’t think it’s got a rating yet. I’m looking at the Gamesman website. Product will contain a download code in the box. Support, um, start preloading on November 12th, a disc would not be included in the box.

[01:05:23] Stephen: So what’s the point of buying the box? So you just buy it from yourself, just to put it in yourself?

[01:05:26] Trevor: Yeah, pick up your copy of GTA 6 in store from November 12th. Um, we just have a download code and then download code, so you’ve got 7 days before it’s then available to play. So that’s, that’s smart.

[01:05:37] Stephen: 7 days to play after you buy the box, really? Yeah, so that you—

[01:05:41] Trevor: that’s so that people can go to places like The Gamesman or EB Games and buy it and physically have the copy.

[01:05:45] Stephen: But do you When you buy it, you’ve got to wait 7 days before you can play it.

[01:05:47] Trevor: Yes, because it starts on the 19th. Yeah, okay, release date 19th, right?

[01:05:54] Stephen: Uh, so pre-order sounds like you’ll be ready to rock and roll straight away. No, uh, mate, if it’s not R, I’ll be very surprised.

[01:06:01] Trevor: It has to be R.

[01:06:02] Stephen: Yeah, because like there’s potential adult content. There’s like solid adult content. Yes, I understand.

[01:06:09] Trevor: Oh, I’ve seen some of the cutscenes and I I think they go further than what happens in the cutscene, shall we say. Know what I’m saying? Yeah. All right, 2 bucks.

[01:06:18] Stephen: We’re all adults here.

[01:06:19] Trevor: We’re all adults. Well, we might not be listening in the car. Thanks, kiddies. But kiddies, if you’re listening, Mum and Daddy are not going to let you watch the bike.

[01:06:25] Stephen: Yeah, you won’t be playing GTA 6, that’s for sure.

[01:06:27] Trevor: And if Daddy gets to bed at 2 AM in the morning, it’s because he’s playing GTA 6. Daniel, who rides for me, he’s taking time off work.

[01:06:35] Stephen: Is he really?

[01:06:36] Trevor: He’s taking time off work.

[01:06:36] Stephen: Good on you, Dan.

[01:06:37] Trevor: Because he’s got a day job. He’s taking time off. He’s on holiday.

[01:06:39] Stephen: To play it.

[01:06:40] Trevor: Yep.

[01:06:40] Stephen: There you go. That’s dedication, mate.

[01:06:42] Voice Over: Yeah.

[01:06:43] Stephen: Yeah. If there was a big Star Wars event or something, or premiere, I’d be prepared for it.

[01:06:47] Trevor: Yeah. Fair enough. All right. Thank you very much to Netgear. Thank you very much to Arlo. We’ll do it all again next week here on Two Blokes Talking Tech. Stephen, see you then.

[01:06:54] Stephen: I’ll think about it.

[01:06:55] Voice Over: Yeah.

[01:06:56] Trevor: All right. How much time do you need?

[01:06:57] Stephen: I’ll be there.

[01:06:58] Trevor: You’ll be there? Oh, that was good.

[01:06:59] Stephen: I’m good. Yeah, I’ve thought about it. I’ll be here.

[01:07:00] Trevor: Okay, mate. See you then.

[01:07:01] Stephen: Bye-bye.

[01:07:02] Voice Over: This is Two Blokes Talking Tech.